Oseas, thanks for sharing your scripture and your interpretation of it. Yes, I read the scripture and believe it, but it does not say Eve had sex with satan. It is absolutely not there and not even close in my opinion.
It appears your primary source from which you hinge your theory is Jude 1:6-7. I encourage you to search 'What is the strange flesh in Jude 1:7?' on GotQuestions website. They did a thorough breakdown of this which I agree with.
I think the strange flesh in verse 7 is the unnatural homosexual behavior that took place within Sodom and Gomorrah, not relations with angels. Of course there was a visit from 2 angels there that the men wanted to have relations with, but they didn't know they were angels. Genesis 6:2-4. HEBREWS 13:2.
Secondly, the example of Jude 1:4-7 points out that God will punish those who disobey and deviate from God's plan for them.
Third, yes, the Bible has metaphors. Example: John 6:56. Eat flesh and drink blood. Have you literally given into cannibalism and eaten Jesus? And is that what it means? No, it's a metaphor. The bread symbolized it. Isaiah 64:8 - are you literally clay? Ezekiel 34:31 - are we a flock of sheep? Here's a simile: Matthew 10:16. 'as' sheep, 'as' serpents, 'as' wolves, which explains it's symbolic. So, when Jesus or God called humans satan were they actually satan or acting like satan? Jesus called Peter satan: Matthew 4:1. So, does that mean Peter was acting like satan or WAS satan? If he literally was satan why then did Jesus forgive him? Peter said he loved Jesus 3 times. Does satan love Jesus?
The other 2 verses you posted seem to serve confirmation bias for your theory, as they are general and are only used to reinforce the original misinterpretation.
Osseas why do you attack or condemn other individuals beliefs, is everything your sharing absolute. Do you expect all others to agree to what you see Biblically. This is for Bible comments I thought, not if you don't believe this or that your going to ----. Just saying. God Bless
There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12
10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.
And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45
41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.
42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Hi Modesto Olivio. I think the statement in Luke 3:23 regarding the parentage and approximate age of Jesus revolves around the issue of Mary's pregnancy as a virgin before her marriage to Joseph. There is the marriage date recorded in the temple, the date of legal parentage as recorded in the registry in the temple, and the revelation of Jesus at the time of His ministry at around the age of 30 that He was the Son of God. I'm speculating now that the Temple had registered the date of the marriage of Joseph and Mary and less than 9 months later Jesus was born. The numbers don't add up, so I think that's why the parentage and age issue are thus. The registry (genealogy) was destroyed 70 AD. We are talking about Joseph legally being His (adoptive) father (and Joseph was of Davidic lineage) to fulfill legal requirements until Christ's ministry was established.
It has always fascinated me, since coming to the age of reasoning, that there's even a hint of the possibility of Christ's parentage, ".....at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph....verse 23 of Luke chapter three. Why would the Almighty allow that and for what reason? Please respond. Thank you in advance.
Your testimony Rob, was heartening to read, showing that in spite of your efforts, it took the blessed work of God's Spirit to make the difference to bring you to the points of acknowledgement , conviction & true cleansing. This old hymn immediately came to mind, which I think you may know:
1
I know not why God's wondrous grace
To me He hath made known,
Nor why, unworthy as I am
He claimed me for His own.
Refrain
But "I know Whom I have believed
And am persuaded that He is able
To keep that which I've committed
Unto Him against that day."
2
I know not how this saving faith
To me He did impart,
Nor how believing in His word
Wrought peace within my heart.
3
I know not how the Spirit moves,
Convincing men of sin,
Revealing Jesus through the Word,
Creating faith in Him.
4
I know not what of good or ill
May be reserved for me,
Of weary ways or golden days,
Before His face I see.
5
I know not when my Lord may come,
At night or noon-day fair,
Nor if I'll walk the vale with Him,
Or "meet Him in the air."
May the joy of your salvation be your ever-present experience.
Prior to this experience I cleaned up my life seeking to live right by the teaching of the word , I did not know this is repentance in action , just seemed like the right thing to do . But it was not enough . I knew what it meant follow Jesus , total commitment even death if needed to be faithful.
Death to self the world and evil . The Bible convinced me that I was still without God . As good as I could be I still knew nothing as I should . A very hard lesson to learn . But he changed me , I did not do it .
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith . When we look back we see this clearer . At the time I did not see it clearly as now .
I remember a time in March 21 1988 , when reading the Bible it was just like Jesus speaking to me as I read , I was reading with great earnest , as I needed an answer .
John 11. 25 26
I answered yes to verse 26 .
Instantly my great burden was gone , and life has been quite new since ,I felt clean and new ....
The story of the rich young ruler , he had his life in order and Jesus said he lacked 1 thing , then told him what to do , and the young ruler could not . Very good illustration, that few find the way of God through Jesus . But this young ruler had everything good , his life was as far as keeping the law could get him . But he could not follow Jesus , Read the story .
John the baptist....... Full of the holy spirit. Comes from nowhere , preaching the coming of Christ. How is it they hear him but don't believe? How is it they see a man that is come and is telling them the truth but they do not believe? His voice rings out , Oh generation of Vipers. How is it, this still does not provoke them to see and or hear. How can this one come from nowhere dressed like an animal declare these things of God. You will not see ,nor understand. because you are of the house of Satan. You will not give, nor take no more than you need, you will only see what you want to see. Remember what Jesus says,For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. The times of visitation my friends are here !
The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and is not of any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20).
The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.
It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).
For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).
You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).
It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).
LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH
The Bible does not tell us how many. We know of at least three, Cain, Abel, and Seth. Genesis 5:4 tells us that there were many other sons and daughters, but we don't know how many. There were probably quite a few, as they lived a lot longer back then and childbearing years lasted way longer than today.
'Son of God' is a metaphor in this verse as Adam wasn't born, he was created by God, Genesis 2:7. You can say God is metaphorically his father as he has no other father or mother. The actual son of God is Jesus who is also God. John 14:11
Where in the Bible does it say pets go to heaven because they don't sin? Are unadopted pets from the pound going to heaven too? What about farm animals and livestock? Wolves, bears, lions? Mosquitoes, flies, wasps, rattlesnakes? Ecoli bacteria, jellyfish, they haven't sinned either and some may love them very much. House plants too? wedding rings? Classic car from my grandma? Jewelry? Money? Treasures in heaven?
Of course pets receive salvation. They didn't sin. Have you not read in revelations where the wolf lay down with the lamb in heaven. And other animals also as the lion and even the viper.
Regarding the genealogy. With two records - Luke is obviously copying from another source - and I submit that the Genesis account written about Moses' time, one assumes is also from a much older source. Humans can make copying mistakes. Also note that the language of Jesus' time was Aramaic, not Hebrew. So spellings and pronunciation of names were likely different.
It appears your primary source from which you hinge your theory is Jude 1:6-7. I encourage you to search 'What is the strange flesh in Jude 1:7?' on GotQuestions website. They did a thorough breakdown of this which I agree with.
I think the strange flesh in verse 7 is the unnatural homosexual behavior that took place within Sodom and Gomorrah, not relations with angels. Of course there was a visit from 2 angels there that the men wanted to have relations with, but they didn't know they were angels. Genesis 6:2-4. HEBREWS 13:2.
Secondly, the example of Jude 1:4-7 points out that God will punish those who disobey and deviate from God's plan for them.
Third, yes, the Bible has metaphors. Example: John 6:56. Eat flesh and drink blood. Have you literally given into cannibalism and eaten Jesus? And is that what it means? No, it's a metaphor. The bread symbolized it. Isaiah 64:8 - are you literally clay? Ezekiel 34:31 - are we a flock of sheep? Here's a simile: Matthew 10:16. 'as' sheep, 'as' serpents, 'as' wolves, which explains it's symbolic. So, when Jesus or God called humans satan were they actually satan or acting like satan? Jesus called Peter satan: Matthew 4:1. So, does that mean Peter was acting like satan or WAS satan? If he literally was satan why then did Jesus forgive him? Peter said he loved Jesus 3 times. Does satan love Jesus?
The other 2 verses you posted seem to serve confirmation bias for your theory, as they are general and are only used to reinforce the original misinterpretation.
God bless...
What does the Word of GOD say?
There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12
10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.
And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45
41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.
42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
I like that old hymn Trust and obey , many classics indeed !
1
I know not why God's wondrous grace
To me He hath made known,
Nor why, unworthy as I am
He claimed me for His own.
Refrain
But "I know Whom I have believed
And am persuaded that He is able
To keep that which I've committed
Unto Him against that day."
2
I know not how this saving faith
To me He did impart,
Nor how believing in His word
Wrought peace within my heart.
3
I know not how the Spirit moves,
Convincing men of sin,
Revealing Jesus through the Word,
Creating faith in Him.
4
I know not what of good or ill
May be reserved for me,
Of weary ways or golden days,
Before His face I see.
5
I know not when my Lord may come,
At night or noon-day fair,
Nor if I'll walk the vale with Him,
Or "meet Him in the air."
May the joy of your salvation be your ever-present experience.
Death to self the world and evil . The Bible convinced me that I was still without God . As good as I could be I still knew nothing as I should . A very hard lesson to learn . But he changed me , I did not do it .
Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith . When we look back we see this clearer . At the time I did not see it clearly as now .
John 11. 25 26
I answered yes to verse 26 .
Instantly my great burden was gone , and life has been quite new since ,I felt clean and new ....
The story of the rich young ruler , he had his life in order and Jesus said he lacked 1 thing , then told him what to do , and the young ruler could not . Very good illustration, that few find the way of God through Jesus . But this young ruler had everything good , his life was as far as keeping the law could get him . But he could not follow Jesus , Read the story .
Here we see John the Baptist instructing the people how to repent .
It's far more than saying we are wrong or sorry , it involves works of repentance.
You rarely will hear this kind of repentance preached .
That's what John meant by prepare the way of the Lord . get you life in order .
Jesus said except you repent you will all like wise perish !
John was really judgemental on the self righteous people of that time , they lacked the fruit of repentance, etc
John also said " no man can receive anything except God give it " that puts us at Gods mercy and to obey God and Ask God in faith .
In the Old Testament God said , I will show my salvation to the one that orders their conversion aright .
(Way they walk )
Yes their is more that could be said , but study John the Baptist if you want to learn repentance.
The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and is not of any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20).
The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.
It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).
For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).
You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).
It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).
LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
after all who was Adam's mother or his Father for that Matter?
Adam isn't God's son. Adam was created from dust, and Eve from the rib of Adam.