Luke Chapter 20 Discussion



 
  • Tunney on Luke 20 - 7 months ago
    I thank my Savior for showing great restraint, patience, and love for me, as I rejected HIS claims and title to my life as this chapter shows of the elders, officers, and people did. But of HIS love of HIS FATHER in heaven; and HIS desire for all to be saved - HE endured the ridicule, rejection, and humiliation and went obediently to complete the plan of SALVATION by dying on the cross, being buried, and raised on third day as written. I and any one who believes and trust in the gospel will be saved. Romans 10:9-12; Acts 4:12

    Thank YOU LORD JESUS for YOUR gift to the world. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to every one on this forum.

    Numbers 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

    December 20, 2023
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Luke 20 - 1 year ago
    Hi Marie.

    Let's take it from verse 56 to get the context.

    Luke 9:56-62.

    For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

    And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.

    And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

    And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

    Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

    And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

    And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

    The people of the world are those whom the Savior describes here as the (spiritually) dead who should bury the (physically) dead. Let people, He says, who are not interested in My work, and who are "dead in sin" ( Ephesians 2:1), take care of the dead. Your duty is now to follow Me.

    Some hold the view that the man's father has not died yet and what the man is saying let me go take care of my father until he dies, being he was the first born.

    "Jesus I will follow you but first let me stay with my father, until he dies. I am not sure how long that will take but once that happens then I will bury him. When that is done then I will come and follow you."

    Also, this man may have been consideringhis inheritance. It's possible this man was waiting to claim his inheritance from his father. So, he wasn't just saying he wanted to wait until his father died. He was also saying - Lord I have some inheritance coming to me and I want to secure my financial future. Once that happens, I will be ready and at that time I will come and follow you. It was a matter of priority.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 20 - 1 year ago
    Marie Francis,

    In Luke 9:60, Jesus said, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

    He wouldn't even let him bury his father. That is kind of tough! Well, we know from the scriptures, in Deuteronomy 21:23, it tells us that once a person died, they had to be buried before sunset, on the day of the death.



    So if this man's father had already died, he would not be out listening to the teachings of Jesus. He would be attending the funeral and burying his father.



    But rather, as Matthew's account tells us, that the phrase itself in the Greek text represents the Hebraism, that basically it says "let me go back until my father dies so I get my inheritance."



    You see, in those days you stayed around the house. And when the father died, then you took over. You took over the business, and you took over the estate.



    And what he is saying is "I'm really not free to leave. I have got some financial interests that I cannot leave. You see if I leave now, I leave all my inheritance, and so I can't do that!"



    Please notice what's happening here. Jesus is fixed towards Jerusalem. He is telling the disciples that you get fixed on Jesus and you follow Him.

    But look at all the things that challenge that relationship. You have got conveniences. It's like, "Gee, I have waited my whole life to get the inheritance from my father, and now Jesus is asking me to follow Him, and if I do I am going to lose all that inheritance."

    Yup! Let the spiritual dead bury their own dead. You go preach the Kingdom.
  • Marie Francis on Luke 20 - 1 year ago
    What is meant by "et their dead bury the dead"
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    Felt led to add these scriptures: 1 Corinthians 4:5, Matthew 10:32-42,
  • GiGi - In Reply on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    Leslie, continue to pray for him and also, invite him to read the Scriptures with you. That may help him move nearer to the Lord. God is at work when people get baptized. He will continue to work in this person's life day by day. Don't give up on him. God knows His heart and is needed for him to turn more whole-heartedly to Himself. He may have "baby" faith right now. Be present for him and supportive so that he will be willing to ask questions that he might feel embarrassed or timid to ask. You are in his life for a reason such as this.
  • Rick - In Reply on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    Hi Leslie There are a lot of people who go through the actions but in their hearts[there's the key]

    didn't mean what they confessed. Also perhaps they were doing it just so no one would bother them

    the point is continue to pray and believe no matter what. We STAND and stay faithful and we plant we

    water but God gives the increase. I know of several people who went through all the ceremony so to

    speak and all there actions dictate unbelief. That's on them God Knows We don't force the word we

    speak the truth in Love.

    Try not to let the unbelief of others affect your walk, or fly spiritually high like an eagle

    and lovingly deal with the buzzards. God Bless
  • This is what the Body of Christ does - In Reply on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    I wasn't saved when I did astrological charts on my nephew and niece. My brother-in-law (an asst. pastor was enraged, went to church, confessed his anger in front of the whole church. He asked the congregation to pray and fast ONE day for me. I wasnt told he did this.

    My life began to unravel. Everything that represented security to me was "taken away". I did not know why. I did more prescription drugs with alcohol. I thought a lot about suicide. Every morning I'd wake up to a voice that spoke "if you don't stop this, you'll leave your son without his parent. He was all I had! Things got worse. I prayed for help. To who? My son was all I had left. My home was full of spirits.

    God had peeled me like an onion; Layer upon layer until all my defenses were removed.

    Then the Lord came to me in a vision. I saw Jesus. I saw my sin. I was shown everything. I had only one thing. I was convinced fully God is real and alive. I took his hand and I was delivered from everything!

    God honored those prayers said for me. He honored those who turned their plates upside down and fasted for someone they didn't even know. I wasn't even told about it until years later!

    The life of all deluded, fakers, liars; are worth one day of violent faith, shaking the throne of God for the salvation of this man through prayers.

    Don't give up. Get some church members, praying Grandmothers, to pray and fast; one day. Just pray for him to see in the mirror__ the truth behind his eyes staring back at him.

    What you are fighting is a religious spirit. It's the intercessors that will destroy its works.

    It was Jesus's love that brought you here today. Think of a wall with a hole in it. Standing in that gaping hole is what we do. Listen to Charles Capps, Authority of the Believer, on youtube. Make notes.
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    Hello Leslie. I was sad to read that account of your family member but was heartened by your clear strong stand in the faith of Jesus Christ & concern for your family members. Whatever the reason for him getting baptised, the point of it is that he must first know Christ as his Saviour & water baptism that follows shows his acknowledgement & identification with Jesus in death, burial & resurrection.

    You no doubt have shared with him on this matter & whatever his response, you will just have to leave it, since baptism being done for the wrong reasons has no meaning & will fool no one. Your concern & prayer for him, with your Christian life & witness, may in time provoke him to conviction & taking the Lord seriously. So you must continue to pray for him according to the burden on your heart & Spirit's leading, & standing on the Word of God when Satan tries to intrude or discourage you. Stay strong & true to the Gospel, which is indeed "the Power of God (leading to) salvation" ( Romans 1:16). But in all things, exercise godly love, faith, patience & meekness before all ( 1 Timothy 6:11, as given to Timothy by Paul) & let God deal with all your family in His Own way. You may be the only light from God that they will ever see & He's placed you there at this time for that very reason. Be encouraged & blessed in your witness.
  • Leslie Small on Luke 20 - 2 years ago
    Yes I have a question about Baptism. So a family member of mine got baptized Septmeber and I am really embarrassed about it because it was just for show and has not taken it seriously at all.And have not given a testimony of goodness of the Lord. He Have not told anyone and really seems not to care. As for me I love The Lord with all my heart. I do not play church or with the word of God. I have been praying that the Holy Spirt would fall upon him the family member. So I need to know would it be wrong to not to pray for this person when , I know he not going to saved either just like the others in my family.it seems to me the more I pray in, with and by the spirit the devil is always in the middle. I refuse to be ashamed of the gospel in eyes of my family. Please advise Thank you.
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    And thank you too Wendy for what you just shared. Praise the Lord that your eyes & heart have been opened to the Truth & you have indeed been set free. So many RCs are kept in ignorance, believing the Mass is the 'be all & end all' to their faith. Also, by not getting into God's Word for themselves, many have continued in darkness, believing that they were walking in Light & saved through the Church. But the Lord will have His Way & that was wonderful to read that He has blessed you by bringing you on His Path. Walk on in the Joy & Blessing of the Lord.
  • Wendy Dillon - In Reply on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    Yes Chris...I should have known after RC grade school and high school...but had no knowledge of biblical teachings I just knew the mass. There is an "auto pilot" reaction to taking a pue at mass for many.

    Yes, I praise God that He delivered my family from datkness! Now there is true love in my heart for the Lord and a desire to fellowship with Him. I used to be afraid to think about God because I did not understand grace. I thought I had to earn my way into Heaven and knew that I was not "good enough". That is the greatest shame of America today..so many do not understand that salvation is a free gift. Thank you for your comment and God bless you.
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    I'm surprised that as a former RC you didn't believe in the pre-existence of Jesus (as the Word of God, of course). The Nicene Creed specifically states that Jesus was there prior to His birth in Bethlehem. "I believe in the one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages, God from God, etc.etc." Anyway, now that the Light from God's Word has now shined upon you, your knowledge of your Saviour has increased making more sense of God's provision of His Own Sacrifice for each one of us. Blessings.
  • Wenmar on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    Andrew, I believe your objection is to the use of the term "trinity" which is confusing for those who are not believers. In fact this term is used against Christianity by muslims and other pagans. As a former catholic, I can say that I believed that there was no Jesus Christ until Bethlehem. It was not until I started to read the bible that I understood that the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are not separate from God the Father. They are three distinct and eternal beings that are ,together, the one and only God.
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    Broken, not broken in pieces. What happens to a wild horse when he is broken? He becomes calm and obeys the one that broke him.
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    Carl, if you would permit me to take up your Scripture reference to a similar one in Matthew 21:42-44 as there is a little more given there.

    Jesus was speaking to the chief priests & elders (v23), concerning the condition of their hearts, the reception they gave Him & the judgement of God they rightly deserved (vv 33-46).

    In verse 42, Jesus speaks of the cornerstone of a building, which in those days, would have been a larger stone, with special markings that made it important & warranted a place of prominence. But in the parable, Jesus, as the Stone that the builders (the Jews which should have recognized the Messiah & built upon from His coming) rejected (rejected & crucified Him), the same One that they rejected, God had made the Cornerstone (of a new building, not of Jews, but those who would believe in Jesus Christ).

    Verse 43: The Kingdom of God, which should have been the joy & presence of God amongst His people, were taken from them, as being unworthy, & given to another which would bring forth good fruit & not rotten fruit as the Jews did in their treatment of their Messiah.

    Verse 44: upon this Cornerstone from God, if any should fall over this prominent Stone (i.e. be injured by their disobedience even though Jesus was there with them, & tripping on it, being made destitute & miserable), their injury would be severe. But there would still be hope if they learned from their hurt. However, to those that the Stone should fall upon, they would be ground to powder (the final judgement of the Messiah-rejecting Jews will be so severe, that it is likened to a complete desolation, with their remains blown into the winds as powder disperses). The picture here is something they would understand: of one about to be stoned for a crime - the witness would first cast the first blow to kill him, but if that didn't do the job, then he would be put to death by a large stone dropped on the head. This was probably how Stephen died at the hands of Saul ( Acts 7:58-60).
  • Carl J Jackson on Luke 20:18 - 3 years ago
    What does it mean that who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces ?
  • Rick Mahon - In Reply on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    Dear Chris, Thank you very much for your quick reply! Also, Thank you for confirming my suspicion that the "Escape of the Bride" is nonsense, and detrimental to believers in Christ who are being misled by a group of people who think they can put a date on something where scripture shows NO date!!! God Bless you, and see you when the REAL rapture happens!!! :)
  • Chris - In Reply on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    Rick, this group speaks of the initial taking away of the Church (the pre-Tribulation escape as they call it in 2020), & then the mid-Trib. Rapture of the remaining Church in 2026. All gobbledegook & not Scriptural based.

    I urge you to avoid this sort of stuff as they are just added to the great list of other groups & cults that have attempted to put dates on future biblical events & have failed. Just look at the many attempts by the JWs. The Scriptures urge us to be ready for the Lord's coming, to keep short accounts with Him, & be watchful. There will be world events that will show us that time is getting short (keep your eyes peeled on Israel & Jerusalem), but to put a date & time on these events, is very unwise indeed.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    Only Father God knows the time. Jesus doesn't know it.

    The Bride of Christ is male, female, young, old, children; Born again deceased, pre-born.

    Don't buy any of their books...
  • Rick Mahon on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    I have recently heard of the,... "Escape of the Bride". Which supposedly will happen on May 31, 2020. Is this true? Can you explain this to me? How is this different from the Rapture?

    Thank you, God bless!
  • Obbie Beal on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

    Note: there is a group of people that quietly listen to JESUS preached the gospel thereby souls would receive SALVATION. Also there is a group of the leaders, see 19 and 20, sneakingly wanting to silence JESUS thereby souls would be loss. 2020 we can shout thank to GOD that the POWER of HIS WORD was never stop thereby it reached us and we can be SAVED from the lake of fire, see John 3:16-21 as it relates BECOMING SAVED.
  • Alex on Luke 20 - 4 years ago
    Jesus was preaching replacement theology when he told nic.a jew he had to be bornagain and i will give them a new heart and a new spirit etc and the father was preaching r.t. when he said behold i make all things new,if any man be in christ jesus he is a new creature as paul said not i that live but christ that lives within me.if i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me god is no respector of persons,god so loved the world etc.ya gotta realize that the seed of christ is a much more precious seed then abrahams seed which is the israel god a heavenly ppl th h.g. the very seed of god himself that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the h.g. our new innerman not kin to our old man.
  • Stan jett on Luke 20 - 5 years ago
    18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. A tamed horse is called broken. Before he is tamed, he throws the rider off many times until he understands that he has to surrender.
  • Charley on Luke 20 - 5 years ago
    replacement theology is a lie you have been deceived israel
    has not replaced the church read romans 10 you have
    a false assumtion of the last days there is a rapture and a
    tribulation are you prepared no utopia on the earth
    read matthew 24. jesus christ king of kings and lord of lords
    is comming for his bride are you ready.
  • BSP on Luke 20 - 5 years ago
    Verse 34~Jesus reply shows that things in the new system will not be as in this system. Thinking will have to be adjusted and we will do things differently than the way things are done now.
  • Charley on Luke 20 - 6 years ago
    replacement theology is a lie GOD is not finished with israel the church
    is not israel there will be a rapture or catching away of the born again belivers
    and there will be a 7 year tribulation.jesus can come at any moment are we ready
    marantha come quickly lord jesus repent churchluke 13-3
  • Eutychus on Luke 20 - 6 years ago
    "And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not? But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet." If they admitted John was a prophet, they would be validating Jesus' ministry, his Christhood, a thing they were unwilling to do...Jesus had them trapped. And they well knew it.
  • Rama on Luke 20 - 6 years ago
    This chapter removes all doubt that Jesus is indeed the son of God as shown in the parable here. Also, there is a resurrection for all who have died including our loved ones. Also this chapter as others in the gospel shows Jesus' answers could not come from any ordinary person and could not be made up by anyone. Jesus is indeed the true messiah even the blind world still cannot see the truth.
  • Alex on Luke 20 - 6 years ago
    Jesus preached replacement theology when he said them that are born of a woman there is not a greater then john,( Israel ). but he that is least in the kingdom is greater then John which is the H.G. THE ISRAEL OF GOD, Much greater then Abrahams seed, Which is them THAT ARE Born of the spirit, the seed of Christ which are the children of PROMISE I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven.


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