Luke Chapter 12 Discussion



 
  • Jackie on Luke 12
    God loves us so much that he died for me let me live for him
  • Dianne McMillan on Luke 12:10
    I would like to understand Luke 12:48 better. Can someone help me do this?
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Sorry, I meant Luke 12:48!
  • Jesse - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Dianne,

    Here is the key to understanding Luke 12:10. It says, "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

    We have seen it so far with Jesus, and the city of Capernaum. He says woe to you Capernaum. And Capernaum was the city that Jesus lived in for three years in His ministry in the north in Galilee before He went to Jerusalem.

    He says woe to you Capernaum, woe to you Bethsaida, the cities around the Sea of Galilee. It will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah. It will be more tolerable than Tyre and Sidon than for you. We all know how corrupt and evil Sodom and Gomorrah were.

    Jesus is saying that there is a degree of punishment and a degree of reward. There will be degrees of punishment in hell, and there will be degrees of rewards in heaven. What Jesus is saying here is that there will be punishment, beating with stripes for those who knew the Lord's will and didn't do it, and less stripes for those who knew it and did it.

    But in our day, we are more blessed today than at any time in church history. We have got the whole Bible. We have got technology where we can study it, and broadcast it, and share it like no other time in history.

    We have more responsibility given to us than any other Christians in church history. We've got it all and we don't have to do it by ourselves. God's Spirit is with us. He uses us. He is the one who ministers through us.

    So it is not stress on us. We only have one thing to think about. Keep our face set toward Jerusalem. Keep our face set towards the mark of the prize of the high calling in Christ Jesus. Keep our minds and our heart set on the finish line.

    That is all we have to do. And if something in the world reaches out to grab us, to distract us, and to pull us off the path, we are to let it go, just let it go. It isn't worth it!
  • Daniel on Luke 12
    I will be a lily in the mire
  • Sisterjw on Luke 12:25
    What May Be of Assistance:

    In order to have a more understanding of the sculpture a Luke 12:25 wonderful study practice is to always read the previous scripture Luke 12:24 and the following 2-3 scriptures Luke 12:26 Luke 12:27 and

    Luke 12:28 which may assist to allow a deeper understanding.

    The thing I really appreciate and like regarding King James Bible Online is the also provide other Bible scripture commentaries from other various Bible Editions featured immediately below the King James others such as:

    New American Standard Version (1995

    American Standard Version (1901)

    Basic English Bible.

    Darby Bible.

    Douay Rheims Bible.

    Webster's Bible.

    Weymouth Bible.

    World English Bible.

    Wycliffe Bible.

    Jewish Publication Society Bible
  • BSP on Luke 12
    The flowers are arrayed in beautiful colors and various designs but these are easy trampled over or die quickly. If Jehovah God take such care of the flowers and in making them beautiful, how much more so will he take care of us who have been made in his image.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Luke 12
    BSP you are so right .thankyou ,you remind me that i really must try harder not to allow the things of this life to worry me so much ,thankyou again .
  • Rebecca Crabtree on Luke 12:10
    What does blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost mean in the bible?
  • M - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    It seems to mean the one unforgivable sin is not having the Holy Spirit, because those without the Holy Spirit people don't have their debts paid by the blood of the Lamb. So rejecting God and Jesus's sacrifice in their place is unforgivable because forgiveness is through the blood.

    Once someone accepts Jesus's sacrifice in their place, and puts their faith in Him, that condition no longer exists, and all can be forgiven.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Rebecca, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding.

    Most things in God's word have to be discerned by applying multiple scriptures and all applied against:

    1 John 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Ghost in you) which ye have received (by grace) of him (Holy Ghost) abideth in you, and you NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU; but as the same anointing (the Holy Ghost) teacheth you ALL things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it (the Holy Ghost) hath taught you, ye shall abide (become one) in him (the Holy Ghost).

    Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have HEARD him (the Holy Ghost), and have been taught by him (the Holy Ghost), as the truth is in Jesus (THE WORD OF GOD).

    Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by HEARING, and HEARING by the WORD OF GOD (studying, meditating).

    The scriptures were written by men under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

    Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (words) of Jesus (THE WORD) is the spirit of prophecy.

    2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy came.....as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Now to your question, what does it mean to blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Since the WORD (truth) was written by the Holy Ghost, you blaspheme when you call his WORD a lie. Example:

    1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE in the sight of God our Saviour; who WILL HAVE all men to be saved, and come to the KNOWLEDGE of the truth.

    Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, thy WILL BE DONE in earth, as it (HIS WILL) is in heaven.

    1 Timothy 4:10-11 .....who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that BELIEVE.

    (vs) 11 These things COMMAND AND TEACH.

    Psalm 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN unto the LORD: and ALL KINDREDS OF THE NATIONS SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (Father) that put ALL THINGS under him (Son) that GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

    WE all blaspheme on our journey to TRUTH just REPENT and TURN to the new found TRUTH.
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Rebecca this is one of the most misunderstood scriptures in Gods Word, but think about an action against Gods Word an individual cannot be forgiven of, the answer is just as you can be born again of the True God , an individual can be born again of the devil that cannot be reversed an example Jesus Christ when speaking to in John 8:42-44 hes speaking to religious leaders and carefully look at what he says, your father the devil, that an incredible statement God showed him where they were coming from. Which is why he said you will die in your sin. Keep something in mind were talking about an action unforgivable.
  • Chris - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Very simply, it means that the Words of God spoken or the Work of God done in the Power of the Holy Spirit, is being attributed to Satan. This is also what the Jewish leaders were accusing Jesus of: Jesus' claim to be God's Son & His position at God's right Hand ( Matthew 26:63-65). Rather, they were the ones who blasphemed by claiming that Jesus did His miracles under Satanic power ( Matthew 12:22-32).

    Therefore, this should remind us to be careful when judging another's words or work in the Lord's Name - we might just find ourselves speaking against the Lord & the Truth, even if done ignorantly.
  • Padu meshramkar on Luke 12:20
    I enjoyed reading your sermons.What would happened if the rich(fool) would have given God first place in his planning ?
  • Chris - in Reply on Luke 12:20
    In His parable, Jesus was pointing out that a person's heart is either towards God or to mammon (money, goods, pleasures) - Matthew 6:24. This man had no concern for God or God's requirements & indeed his own afterlife - his focus was on himself & to enjoy what he had accomplished by his own hands, constantly watching his wealth becoming even greater in the passing years.

    Had he given God the first place rather than himself, it would have demonstrated that even with his bountiful harvests & substance, he would have acknowledged that it was God Who blessed him with these things, he would have also given of his substance to the needy around him & his own faith & love for God would have increased. I believe, in the Old Covenant economy, this rich man could have been wise in God's Eyes & not foolish, & would have been accepted by God as a man of faith & love for the people around him. Rather than being a self-centred rich 'fool', he would have been a people-centric wise man who was rich towards God having a heart towards God & not self.
  • Fred scanlan - in Reply on Luke 12:20
    Raising a family, working a couple jobs, sending kids to a Christian school. working long hrs. turned into more than I knew I needed. We fail to draw the line when it comes to those things that are important and those that are needful! Peace ,love and joy, were not evidence of a thriving family. Sin, poor decisions, unholy friends, only contributed to further dissimulation. The family that loves Jesus first , will be the happiest! Christ first in all things! Rich or poor put Him first!
  • Hiwi on Luke 12:52
    Why is the number of the family chosen to be 5? Does it represent anything? Any reference from other chapters of the bible?
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on Luke 12:52
    The important point of this lesson is the division that will come, not necessarily the count. Jesus Christ is the great dividing line in humanity, whether we are his or not. We are shown here that even our families and households, where unity is presumed, will not be exempt.

    The list of relationships would be typical of a household in Israel. Father/son, mother/daughter, mother in law/daughter in law. If married, a daughter would then be joined to her husband's household.

    Matthew 10:34-38 is a parallel passage emphasizing that Jesus Christ must be our primary allegiance, above even our closest kin.
  • Hiwi - in Reply on Luke 12:52
    Thank you, the Israeli household explanation answers my question. God bless!!
  • Yla on Luke 12:10
    it is a reminder to us that when we do bad things or sin against the Lord, we will not alone suffer the consequence of our actions, people who are close to us will also suffer. That is the penalty of our sin.

    The person who did the sin will not suffer alone, but also the people around him will suffer.

    It is to remind a person the weight of his sin and for him to think carefully of the action he will do.
  • Larry L Ware on Luke 12:10
    why do some people go through physical pain and suffering and some don't
  • Chris - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Larry, I've also thought over this dilemma as well over the years, and the only answer I can offer is that in fact we all suffer in one form or another. I know you specifically mentioned physical pain & suffering & that is one part of the whole. Sometimes, emotional pain & mental anguish can come under the same umbrella of physical suffering that each one faces in life. And their severity can be as harsh & painful as the physical.

    You may be thinking of a special instance of some going through the mill with pain while others appear to be free from it. As you may agree, since we are all sinners & suffer the effects of it (whether in the physical, spiritual, emotional or mental spheres), I don't believe that anyone can sail through this life without pain in some form. It is true that some do suffer far more than others, but all do suffer & then finally have pain's last stab at us at the cessation of this life.

    The Psalmist, Asaph, in Psalm 73 spoke of a similar dilemma, "Why do the wicked go through life without pain (v 5), speak against God (vv 9, 11) & live in prosperity (v 12)?" His answer: "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction. How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors." (vv 18, 19). He saw their end (their eternal suffering) as far worse as opposed to those (who suffer in this life) but have their trust in the Lord. So pain experienced in life to the Psalmist was transitory - the pain of being estranged from God after death is eternal.
  • Andy G van den Berg on Luke 12:10
    To ADAM

    We wrote earlier:

    He (Christ) also informed them that they were not of God ( John 8:43-47). Remember now that they truly thought that they knew God and that they worshipped him in truth, but when He dwelt amongst them they crucified Him, as they could not believe His message of repentance ( 1 Corinthians 2:14) and did not like it that He convinced them that they were sinners and that they lived under the power of sin (Satan).

    The messages we communicate, which are according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17), judges you and other people on this website in the same way.

    Christ came into this world for three reasons ( John 16:8-11).

    To reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    - Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    - Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    - Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    The gospel, which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ ( Gal. 1:11,12).

    It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and that you follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

    LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Andy G van den Berg on Luke 12:10
    To FRED SCANLAN

    The Word of God is God ( John 1:1), which the natural man is not able to understand ( Cor. 2:14). For that reason our message remains the same: Ye. must repent.

    Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

    The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Andy G van den Berg on Luke 12:10
    To FRED SCANLAN

    Please remember that the sons of God have come for the pulling down of this world's 'Strongholds', religion being the strongest of them all ( 2 Cor. 10:4; Luke 11:21-23).

    When it comes to the Medical Profession, please know that the believers live by faith, as the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob is their guide in all things. Remember how God took care of a host of 2m people for forty years. He fed them and provided them with water and other essentials. Even their shoes and garments didn't wear out. Also remember that out of the original group that crossed the Red Sea only Joshua & Caleb crossed the Jordan River. All the rest died in the wilderness, while only the new generation crossed the Jordan.

    Rather than speaking from personal experience, we believe that the most effective way to be taught and to come to the understanding of 'The Chastening of the Lord' is by the Word of God itself

    CHASTENING

    Deut. 8:5

    Job 5:17-19; 6:1-10; 23:10; 33:19

    Psalms 6:1-10; 17:3; 30:1-12; 38:1-21; 94:12-14; 102:1-28; 116:1-19; 119:7,67,71

    Proverbs 3:11

    Isaiah 26:16

    1 Cor. 11:32

    Hebrews 12:5,6

    James 1:12

    1 Peter 1:7

    Rev. 3:15-21

    AFFLICTIONS

    Psalms 34:19; 132:1

    Isaiah 48:10

    Acts 7:10; 20:23

    2 Cor. 6:4

    Col. 1:24

    1 Thess 3:3

    Hebrews 12:5-12

    Rev. 3:18

    SICKNESS AND HEALING

    Exodus 15:26

    Psalm 6:2

    Isaiah 30:26

    Jer. 30:17

    Eze. 34:16

    Hosea 6:1

    Mal. 4:2

    Matthew 10:8

    Mark 2:17

    Luke 5:31

    James 5:15

    1 Peter 2:24

    Rev. 22:2

    RELYING ON DOCTORS AND MEDICINE



    2 Chr. 16:12,13

    Job 13:4

    Psalms 34:19; 108:12

    Isaiah 30:1-3

    Jer. 17:5-7,14

    Hosea 5:13

    Mark 5:25-29

    Luke 8:43

    MADE PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERING

    Job 5:18; 23:10

    Psalms 50:5; 119:67,71

    Isaiah 48:10

    Jer. 31:18

    Hosea 5:15; 6:1

    Romans 8:17

    2 Cor. 4:17

    Hebrews 2:10; 5:7-9; 12:10,11

    1 Peter 4:1,12; 5:1,9,10

    Rev. 3:19

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • The Great Falling Away Prophesy on Luke 12:10
    The sad truth is that the seed of the gospel falls on different kinds of ground: rocky, shallow, sunlight dries up new growth.

    People are going to FALL AWAY. It is a prophesy. We ought to pray for those people: ask God to send angels to pull them out of the ditch and drag them back to Church.

    Our society does nothing to undergird belief in anything other than money, self indulgence and self promotion. They will FALL AWAY.

    1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost...

    2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    Hebrews 3:12-19 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

    Revelation 2:4-5 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

    2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    Matthew 24:10-13 - And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.....

    Revelation 3:11 - Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

    James 1:12 - Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

    Pray for them! Mishael
  • Andy G van den Berg on Luke 12:10
    On 'BORN OF GOD' - 'BORN AGAIN

    Most people on this website claim to be so-called Christians, but in truth are they followers of Jesus Christ or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9)?. Most of them also claim to be so-called 'Born Again', which means 'Born of God', but are they, or is it a form of self-transformation ( 2 Cor. 11:13-15), while in truth they are wearing the wrong garment ( Psalm 6:8; Matthew 7:20-23; 9:16; 22:2-14; Mark 2:21; Luke 5:36)?

    For answers to the above questions we invite you to peruse the earlier Comment below.

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Joshua on Luke 12:10
    Look at the context of this verse. The one sin that won't be forgiven is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Right before Jesus said this, he said that those who deny Him (Jesus) before men will be denied eternal life. To deny Jesus is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and that sin will not be forgiven.

    If we deny Christ, we were never saved to begin with, and we are denied eternal life.

    "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." Luke 9:24, Matt 16.25, Mark 8:35, Luke 17:33
  • Adam - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Hi Joshua,

    Do you believe that Christians physically cannot deny Christ? If so, do you think that God denies them their freewill?

    Are you a Christian currently? If so, if you chose to deny Christ, would that mean you were somehow never a Christian?

    So, what do you think qualifies someone to be a Christian then? If someone prays and asks for forgiveness and says he believes Jesus is the son of God and is Lord and wants to follow him and is baptized is that enough?

    Christians turn from the faith and deny Christ too often, so all these Christians were never Christians? by the Bible's standards or someone else's? Can anyone be certain they're a true Christian then, because you don't know what you'll say or do in the future, right?
  • Joshua - in Reply on Luke 12:10
    Hello Adam,

    Yes, I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    The standard I only desire to use is God's Word, and this is the only standard anyone can use regarding the truth( John 17:17).

    Whether we, still imperfect in our sinful flesh, can "know" if we are saved or not is a good question. God tells us to examine ourselves, to see if we are in the faith( 2 Cor. 13:5). We examine if we are walking in agreement with God.

    The whole of God's Word shows us that once we are born again, we become a new creature( 2 Corinthians 5:17). We are to be dead to our old ways. Dead to the ways of the world, because the world is wicked( 1 John 5:19). We are not to continue practicing sin( Titus 2:12, James 1:27).

    We will still sin because we are still imperfect. ( Romans 7:23-24, Philippians 3:12, Ephesians 4:13). The difference is we do not continue PRACTICING sin, or WILLFULLY sinning. God does not judge by appearance, but by the TRUE state of our HEARTS( Luke 16:15, John 7:24).

    If we continue our old practice - our dead in our sins way of living AFTER we become saved, we were never saved/born again to begin with( Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 10:38-39, 1 John 2:15, 2 Peter 2:20-22).

    We are still in the world but we are not of the world( John 17:16, Romans 12:2). On the contrary, we are tasked by the Lord to be examples & witnesses to the world( Philippians 2:15, Matthew 5:14, Romans 10:9-11, 13-15, 2 Corinthians 4:13).

    This, I believe, is the "key" to knowing whether or not we are truly saved. If we truly believe.


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