Luke Chapter 1 Discussion Page 3



 
  • Simon - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    You said: "The term "pre-existent" is an oxymoron" & "Noone has ever pre-existed oneself".

    This is not so according to ( Jeremiah 1:4-5) Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
  • Paul - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    thats because we already left!! hello/ and the aemy coming back wothj christ is his bride!!
  • Deborah payton - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    1 John 5:7

    "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
  • Matt Roentsch - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Dear Andrew

    Thanks alot for your reply to the question that I had. I was in a discusion with a friend of mine, if we are in

    pre-tribulation or in tribulation. I to think that this covid hoax could very well be the begining.
  • Richard in Christ on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    The devil is at work my brothers and sisters in Christ. Coming in sheep's clothing.

    "Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life".

    Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    ( 2 Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    Matthew 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Matthew,

    I don't think there is a verse that says that John endured the tribulation of the first three seals. Revelation Chapter 4 tells us that John was caught up in the spirit realm and got to see the events unfold on the earth as they were literally happening. John got to see the future in real-time. Physically, he was still on the island of Patmos, but spiritually, he was caught up into heaven and got to see it all unfold from above.

    Personally, I believe this represents the church being caught up, as the church will no longer be mentioned during the tribulation period. The next mention of the church will be in Revelation Chapter 19, where we will be participating in the marriage supper of the lamb. So we see no mention of the church during the tribulation from Chapter 4 to Chapter 19. Revelation 19:14 mentions armies that will come back with Christ at His second coming. Those armies I believe are referring to the church.
  • Andrew - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Greetings in Jesus' name, Matt.

    I know jot of any verse in the gospel of John where he speaks of the first 3 seals of the tribulation spoken of in the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

    I have heard it spoken that the first seal has been opened with this "covid" hoax.

    Because the first seal in Revelation 6 speaks about the rider of the white horse having a crown (Corona = crown in latin).

    I am not fully convinced of this but don't count it out.

    Hope this helps,

    Andrew
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    (Part 3)

    Look at the question in Verse 8, the predicament:

    When the Lord comes, will he find the faith upon the earth? Will He find His people praying and trusting, or will He find them giving in and giving up?

    When the Lord comes back, that's all that's going to be left. It's not a matter of how faithful we were with church attendance. The last days will get so tough in circumstances that it's a matter of us having necessity that we ought to always pray and never to faint and continue to trust the Lord no matter what is attacking us.

    Sorry this was long. I hope I did this section some justice, and I hope this helps you!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    (Part 2)

    In our English vocabulary, we probably say the jab, the boxer that jabs, continuously throwing the jab, wearing his opponent down so that he can throw the knockout punch. And he says she is continually coming. She is not going to give up.

    And she had three things going against her. Number one, she was a woman, and a woman did not have any leverage in court whatsoever. Secondly, she was a widow. She had no husband to represent her in court. And thirdly she was poor, so she didn't have enough to give a bribe. So she just came and continued to come and wearied the judge.

    In Verse 6, the word "hear" is a command. Hear what he said.

    Verses 7 and 8 can be read together. Verse 8 says I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. It doesn't mean right away. It means when He judges, it will come fast. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find the faith upon the earth?

    So He's contrasting. If the judge who has no regard for God and no regard for man, if he gives in because this widow continues to weary him with her continual coming, and he just gives in and says "Okay, I will rule in your favor, get out of here, leave me alone," that's not justice.

    It is showing contrast. If God, who hears our every request, answers our requests as His children right away, it is in contrast to the unjust judge who answered somebody who persistently bothered him.

    Some people teach that this parable means that if you want God to answer you, you must consistently bug Him. Weary God and He will give you your request. No, it is a contrast. You don't have to do that with God.

    I send one more post. It will be short, I promise!
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Ralph,

    This is the parable of the unjust judge. It might help if I share the meaning of some words being used in this section. I may need more than one post so please bear with me.

    The premise of this parable is in Verse 1, that men ought always to pray and not to faint. The word "ought" is the word necessary. It comes from the word DEO that means to bind. It is necessary for men always to pray and to not faint.

    The word faint in the Greek text means to give in, to give up, or to give in to your circumstances. And as the Lord is explaining the difficulties that God's people will experience, He is now focusing on the main activity that the believer has with his or her Lord, and that is prayer, that when difficulties happen through circumstances, it's necessary for the believer to always pray and never to give in, or to never give up.

    In other words, whatever situation I am in, my main focus is my circumstance or situation that I'm praying about. But prayer, when I ask for the Lord's will to be done, I am in submission to whatever the Lord wants to do. I'm letting go of that situation.

    John says if you pray for the Lord's will to be done, then you have (present tense), you have the answer to your request. Things might not change in the circumstance. In fact, things might get worse from a human standpoint. But my alignment will be with the Lord.

    If my alignment is not with the Lord I will give in, especially if I had to suffer what the early church had to suffer. And even in our day, it is necessary that we should always pray and not give in, or to not give up.

    This is a parable of contrast. Verse 2 through 5 is the parable. In Verses 2 and 3, She is asking the court to come to her aid. The word adversary is a legal term that means the opponent in a court of law.

    Then read Verses 4 and 5. The word weary in Greek means to give somebody a black eye. He's not worried about the woman attacking him. In fact, the word is a very special word.

    I'll send more!
  • Matthew Roentsch on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    I am in a bible study in church and I thought that there was a verse in Jhon where he said that he was enduring the tribulation of the first three seals.

    I cant find the verse again. can you tell me if there is one ?

    Thanks Matt G R
  • Andrew - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Greetings,

    satan was/is an angel who (because of pride) was cast out of his place as the worship leader of heaven. He still travels to and fro on the earth and even up to heaven to accuse the brethren before God. He is referred to as the dragon/that old serpent in the revelation. During the time of Jacob's trouble/ the Great Tribulation, he will be cast out permanently from heaven ( Luke 10:18/ Revelation 12:9). He is also spoken of in Ezekiel as the King of Tyre.

    Lucifer, however, is (will be) a man; the antichrist, in whom satan will dwell. There are passages in Isaiah 14 about him, as well as in Ezekiel; where he is spoken of as the prince of Tyre. Also, in the Revelation, he is referred to as the beast.

    Hope this helps as you search the scriptures.
  • Mary F on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    God didn't just give power to the Deciples He gave power toAll he has no respect of persons He said go in my name casting out devils lay hands on the sick and they Shall be healed
  • Ralph penniston on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    explain Luke 18-1-8
  • Mishael - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    His name then, was Lucifer. Search on that.
  • S Spencer on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    The Deity of Christ bridging over from the old testament on to the new testament.

    Malachi 2:17- Malachi 3:1. Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

    Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Isaiah 40:3. The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

    Mark 1:2-4

    As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

    The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

    John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

    NOTE: In Isaiah and Malachi the plural form for God is used. ( El-o-heem' ) as it is in Deuteronomy 6:4.

    Who was the messenger preparing the way for God as mentioned? 'John the baptist'

    When God came who did he show up as? " The Lord Jesus Christ. God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi SACHA,

    You asked in your post for someone to explain Mark 13:32 and genesis 22,

    Here is Mark 13:32. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. There is nothing to explain there! Jesus says the son don't know and I believe him, And I agree with you Genesis 22 is a foreshadowing of God sacrificing the Lord, you asked how can Jesus be the sacrifice and the sacrificer, no point in explaining that either. The difference between me and you is you need an explanation to believe, I believe without the explanation, I also believe when the Lord says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I believe that because he said it. I also believe Isaiah 9:6, John 14:9, and many other verses that proves his deity,

    As equal important I believe Genesis 1:1. and I believe And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. I believe it because he's GOD! Jesus said he was not of this world, the scripture says Jesus came out of the bosom of the father and he go back to the father, Sacha The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. God is the creator who speaks things to exist out of thin air!! There is NOTHING he cant do! Do you believe that? If you do then your problem is not believing Mark 13:32, Your problem is accepting Mark 13:32. If God wanted to manifest himself into 10 beings at one time, disperse them all over the world with the father being the living Devine headquarters from whence they came, limiting them, and bring them back to there former Glory, Can he do it? NOTE: I'm not asking you did he do it! I'M ASKING YOU CAN HE DO IT? Yes he can. When it come to Jesus being The Almighty, Everlasting father, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. "GOD" manifesting himself in the flesh, The scripture says that's who he is and that's what he did. And I believe it.
  • Sacha on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    I cant sleep until i get this last bit out , Genesis 22 is much more than the story of the testing of Abrahams faith ,it is the foreshadow of Christ sacrifice ,Isaac even carries the wood ,Abraham says 'God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering ' ,Isaac completely submits to his fathers will and there was a ram caught in a thicket which is Christ with a crown of thorns , its the story of a father sacrificing his only son, whom he loves ,if we accept that this is a foresshadowing of Jesus' sacrifice then Jesus cant be the sacrifice and the one who does the sacrificing ,the romans didnt kill Jesus and neither did the jews ,God sacrificed His only begotten Son ,who unlike Adam obeyed God totally and was therefore sinless and not deserving of death , as Adam and we do deserve it .This is not just the story of the trial of Abrahams faith it is the foreshadowing of the future and there is a sacrificer and a sacrifice.Father and son .Thankyou and goodnight and God bless you all for being so generous to me .
  • Smith on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Was satan in heaven?
  • Truth be known - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Just because three agree fully on something . Does not make them 3 of the same person .

    But 3 in agreement.

    If three people fully agree on the Bible that makes them one in belief , not one in person .

    The witness of 3 is not 1 person that's not even good logic .
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Ron, you asked a lot of questions there that seem to sidestep the main question: Do you believe the Bible or not?

    Do you believe 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." or not? So, when the Bible says the "three are one" do they mean the three are NOT one? That's what some people in this forum are claiming, which sounds like they believe in the truth of the Bible.

    For those who try to discredit this verse, what other verses will they try to discredit and where does it end? Do they only pick the verses they don't like to 'reinterpret' or do they treat all verses equally? Can someone be a Christian who doesn't fully believe the Bible? Have you tried praying and about this? God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello, for 100% clarity of what you believe, go ahead and share your definition of all the words in the KJV Bible for: Lord, God, Jesus, Christ, Father, and Son, whether all caps or not.
  • Ron - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Adam, the doctrine or dogma of the Trinity, debated first at Nicaea AD 325. The trinity today basically is God exists as three persons but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will. Let me know if this is incorrect.



    Most Churches I have been to and believe me I have been to many they have said you have to believe in the trinity or you can not be a Christian. Most have a hard time even explaining it.

    If the trinity determines being a Christian, does that also say you have no salvation without believing in the trinity?

    Are there any scriptures in the Bible that say you have to believe in the trinity for salvation?

    Can we believe God would be behind hundreds of thousands of early believers of Jesus to be killed for heresy because of this man-made doctrine?

    If Jesus had the same will as the Father how do we explain this, Jesus just before he was arrested. Luke 22:41-42 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done." It is very clear they had a different will but the Son was obedient to the Father. Throughout the new testament it was always His Fathers will not His.

    Is the Son equal with the Father? Is the Holy Spirit equal to the Father? Why did the Son ask the Father to send the Holy Spirit in Jesus' name if all three are equal?

    It is said if we deny the trinity, we deny the divinity of Jesus. Can we as mortal man tell someone, what is not clearly said in scripture, you must believe something that was not taught by any of the Apostles or Jesus? We as one can only inspire others to study the Lord is the judge. I believe doctrines and traditions that places burdens, causes divisions, we need to flee.

    In love, Ron
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Blessed be the name of the Lord!

    Thank you for the encouragement.

    Glory to God, for I can take no credit as I am nothing, but all is due to the Holy Spirit that reveals all things by His word.

    I can see that our Father is leading you into all truth as well.

    Yea we can only speak as the oracles of God, and let the chips fall where they may; so to speak. Jesus never debated or strove with anyone, even saying to his 12 disciples; will you leave too? After the multitude departed from the 'hard' saying that they must eat of his flesh (the word) and drink his blood (his Spirit) in order to have life eternal.

    Be encouraged and blessed as you abide in the words and doctrine of the Master Jesus Christ,

    Andrew
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Sacha If there's nothing wrong with you holding on with what you believe in it shouldn't bother you if others feel the same way! Listening to your recent posts you're critical on people debating their differences but you join the debate and you presents yourself the same way in this Post when you say I'm quoting you. "you know it's nasty", and "you know it sounds spiteful," You've said before you "struggle"with Loving the brethern, it was something you have to work on", You've said "you slip out a curse word every now and then", end quote. No one is perfect, our flesh provokes us to do these things, but it's something the Spirit convict us of, ""ITS NOT A TESTIMONY " No one has defeated the flesh. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Romans 8:11-12. That same Spirit teaches us all things, Including patience and Longsuffering, And he opens our eyes to the Scriptures. And he causes us to Love the brethren, "We are to hold one another accountable to provide truth in the scripture"

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for instruction in righteousness: Iron sharpens Iron! No one should get upset over the truth! We grow by the "Sincere" milk of the word.

    We preach the cross and the cross means nothing if we don't believe in who the Lord say he is,

    Revelation 1:8 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. We're not ashamed of that!

    The cross is an offense to those who don't believe!!

    I Pray you examine yourself, May the Lord be with you.
  • Sacha - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Adam ,im sure that i dont need to tell any one on this site the difference between LORD and Lord ,i know it too .
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Luke 10:21

    In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

    It's the same spirit of the pharisees, the mystery of iniquity, that rejects truth and cleaves to the teachings of men. This is why Jesus said:

    Mark 4:9

    And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Praise the Lord for ears to hear and eyes to see o/!

    I have a brother who often says: if someone grew up on a deserted island and all they had was a kjv bible, they would never come up with the heretical idea of a "trinity" of gods.

    Be encouraged Sacha, and pay no mind to the gainsayers/theologians. They must be born again of the seed (the word of God- 1 Peter 1:23) to see the truth, and only God can do that.

    I pray that you are well this day, in Jesus' name.

    P.S. I'd love to hear from you concerning your baptism in 1996 (as to how it was administered) if you care to email me, my address is just my screenname on here @ gmail (this app won't let you post addresses on here)
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Sacha,

    I just read Deuteronomy 6:4. Would I be misreading it if I believe it is referring to God as Lord? Also, Does God alone have all authority over heaven and earth?
  • Jesse - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Thanks, Richard,

    God gives us one gift, His Spirit. I agree with you in that "God shall choose what gifts to bloom through His Holy Ghost in all His different members of the body of Christ. By His Will."

    It's through His Spirit who has the ability and capacity to do all these things through us that we call "gifts." And yes indeed, I fully agree that it is by His will, not ours!

    I am looking at 1 Corinthians 12:1 that says But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

    I can see where the confusion comes in. We look at that and we think that we are supposed to seek for and ask God to give us the best gifts/s. But God only gives us one gift, His Spirit. I mean if God sovereignly gives according to His will, it doesn't make any difference what we ask for, right? He does what He wants. And that's the emphasis!

    The last phrase, "And yet I shew I unto you a more excellent way."

    Paul has already talked about the ministry of the one Spirit of God who He Himself has all the abilities and capacities. And God sovereignly ministers to me and through me, by His one Spirit, through various expressions of grace according to His will.

    It's very simple until we start getting into the teachings that twist things like that last verse. People will say that God wants you to come and ask for the "best gifts" for yourself. But that's not what it's making reference to!
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 1 - 2 years ago
    Dear Sacha,

    If you're a Christian and don't believe Jesus is Lord then that is mystifying. If you don't believe in the many scriptures in the Bible that say not only Jesus is the son of God, but is God, then that is mystifying. You are in the minority who believe that. Many think saying such things as what you just said is a heresy, but I wouldn't go so far- I think it's just misunderstanding in the same way the other person did. Much of it involves falsely assuming a format like this: "Jesus has one title, therefore he can't (with my own human interpretation) have other titles, because my personal reasons." You suggested that Jesus is not Lord, but that's a foundational belief in Christianity and is throughout the Bible. It's sad that someone has to also assume false motives of another Christian too. Did you pray to God the Father about this before posting such controversy?

    Examples of Jesus is Lord: Link

    Romans 10:9

    Romans 6:23

    Philippians 2:10-11

    Luke 6:46

    Isaiah 44:6

    John 13:13

    1 Thessalonians 4:16

    2 Timothy 1:8

    Acts 16:31

    1 Corinthians 12:3-5

    Did you reach each of the above?

    Romans 10:9 for example says: ""That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."" - some translations word it as "...if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord..."

    Deut 6:4, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    This verse is similar to: 1 John 5:7-8, John 10:30, and John 1:1, John 1:14, and so many others that say Jesus is God. This doesn't mean Jesus is God the Father, but Jesus is God the Son.

    When it says "we are one" that does not mean they are separate. It means they are one. So, when a man says they can't be one, or Jesus is separate somehow, because it says they are 'one' that idea self-contradicts itself. I believe the Bible as it is written.


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