Leviticus Chapter 11 Discussion

  • TammyC - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    In Acts 15:29 it says that the Gentiles would observe "That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled" concerning food. But Gentiles were not told to observe the other ordinances concerning food. I hope that answered your question. God bless.
  • Mel8 - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    Not good or a person ! Food or a person ! Sorry !
  • Mel8 - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    Acts chapter 10 . Peter is told not to call anything unclean if God has cleansed it . This applies to food literally and also to the gentiles metaphorically . If God makes something or someone clean then they are clean , wether it's good or a person .
  • Curt on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    In the books of the New Testament is there any passages by Jesus that negates the Old Testament laws about what foods are clean or unclean that we can or can't eat???
  • Benjamin on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    God bless you i am reading this on ps4 while captive but god is with me glory to god blessed be his name for i can delight myself in his word amen
  • JANET HILLSBURO on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    LOVED the discussion of leviticus chapter 11, so happy I can discuss it with y'all!

    please pray for me as i go though a tough stage in life. Thank you for your prayers.

    with love everlasting,

    Janet Hillsburo
  • JANET HILLSBURO on Leviticus 11 - 1 year ago
    I love jesus better than ice cream. and ice cream is really good!!!!!!
  • Streetpreacher - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Enjoyed the study greatly.
  • Chris - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Good read Reg. There can be some translations that appear confusing, given the same (Hebrew) word being used in different instances. As in Leviticus 11:18 & Deuteronomy 14:16, where 'swan' is the given translation (amongst the 'fowls'). Then in Leviticus 11:30, 'mole' is given using the same Hebrew word for this animal (amongst the 'creeping things').

    Your theory about the protection of the swan, for royalty sake, is a possibility, yet it remains how could the same Hebrew word be used for two different types of animals. I'm sure the translators would have spent much time struggling with what to do/how to translate in such circumstances. Maybe if there was uncertainty at the original manuscript level, then it remains open as to how one chooses to translate the same word for an animal which flies and another that can only creep.

    Even a look at Chabad dot org, applying these same Scriptures there, I find different animals used for the three verses (magpie, bat, mole). That being the case & the Jew who is strictly subject to the ruling & finding no problem, I think we should not stress over this one and leave it as an uncertainty. Thanks for your research.
  • Reg Rangihuna on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Regarding the hebrew word H8580 Tinshemeth or Tanshamath in Leviticus ch 11v 18 as rendered as being "swan" and then rendered again in verse 30 as "mole". This is actually not confusing but simply an incorrect translation. The reason it was incorrectly translated is unsure but the many scholars that have agreed it to be incorrect, confusing or some that even use words like probable, perhaps or maybe the unclean bird. This will leave enough doubt for one to except that when in doubt one should leave it out. That in itself is confusion. One should study and show oneself approved to rightly divide the word.

    The Most High Almighty is not a God of confusion. On the other hand man in his carnal state can confuse simple logic and commonsense. There has been reference that Charles Darwin is involved in the evolution theory of lizards evoluting into birds in the early 1860s.

    So why was tanshamath injected in verse 18 as being swan then verse 30 as mole when there are two separate categories, flying fowl and creeping things. also, why didnt it say in verse 18 ... swan and after its kind which would then include the duck and geese as they are from the anatidae family. Interesting too is that "owl" is used in verse 17 running into verse 18...In my opinion the barn-owl fits the description of tanshamath in verse 18 as a greater possibility.

    Barn owl is the most likely and the Ibis bird is the second other likely bird but definitively not the swan.

    Why would swan be chosen? One theory is that the royal family made laws to protect the swan for their own banquet comsumption. I found this on the Royal Family site.

    The Crown has held the right to claim ownership of all unmarked mute swans swimming in open waters throughout the country from as far back as the twelfth century. Historically, valuable rights of ownership were subsequently granted by the monarch to many people and organisations as swans were a prized food, served at banquets and feasts.
  • Robert - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Parenthetically, a bat is a flying mammal with two legs and two claws at the edge of the wings.

    Thanks for the response
  • Adam - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Some translations like NASB appears to have translated it to insects instead of fowl. Others to winged things.
  • Chris - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    Hi Robert. That's a good question that I had to check against my Hebrew Lexicon. Apparently, in Leviticus 11:13,20, the mention of 'fowl' is normally understood as a bird of various descriptions. But in Hebrew, the word is 'oph', meaning 'flying creatures', & this would take in not only birds that we identify as 'fowl', but also creatures with wings that have four or more legs (e.g. locusts, hornet & bee species, etc.).

    And then in verses 21-23, "Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth...", we get a further explanation of these multiple legged flying creatures that could be eaten: the grasshopper & beetle; and what were unclean: everything else).
  • Robert on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago

    What is an example of a fowl that creeps on all fours ?
  • Messenger - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    You are replying to a comment by "Brenda F Bunte"

    Hello brenda, to answer your question about a coney.

    A Coney is a (Rock Hyrax) that looks like a rounded 'Meerkat' (without the black eyes)

    they look so cute and adorable. however, under the mosiac law these

    animals were considered unclean and shouldn't be eaten. Deuteronomy 14:7


    Psalm 83:18

    John 3:16,17
  • Brenda F Bunte on Leviticus 11 - 2 years ago
    What is a coney?
  • Caetano Barreto on Leviticus 11 - 3 years ago
    LEVITICUS chapter 11 - dietary laws

    How does the advice on what to eat and what to avoid fit in with the New Testament ? Some say we are FREE to eat whatever we please as we are under Grace and not under the Law.

    So am I allowed to consume pork or prawns for example?

    Still confused when reading the below verses...and still learning !

    MATTHEW 15: 1-20 ( Mark 7:1-23)

    ACTS 10 : 1-28

    ROMANS 14 (whole chapter)

  • Arianna on Leviticus 11 - 3 years ago
    God is good, all the time and all the time, god is good ..............

    who is better than god,nobody .yes nobody is better than god........
  • AzarYahu Ben Eliyahu - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 4 years ago
    Yahusha= j-sus said in ps. (40:6) concerning this matter and in (ish.53:5-8) did away with animal sacrifices hosea.6ch. tells us why they were taking the almighty yah for granted... no one likes to be taken for granted... and in act's 10ch. he told peter don't call man common or unclean... and if you keep reading for contextual understanding because he fill them with his setapart spirit= ruach it was not food yahuah was concerned with but man his creation for he told us what to eat in lev. 11ch and says "i change not." we have changed! did yahusha= j-sus every eat anything unclean? no! if he did he would have been a sinner and he was without sin (ish.65:1-7; 66:17) is a future judgment
  • AzarYahu Ben Eliyahu - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 4 years ago
    Aman brother. hallalu-yahuah
  • AzarYahu Ben Eliyahu on Leviticus 11 - 4 years ago
    The covenant 10 word marriage called the 10 commandments are not done away with nor the righteous law's= torah . the messiah did away with the levitical priesthood ritual work's of the law and animal sacrifices (ps.40:6) (heb.10:26-31)(1 jn.3:4) (mt.5:17-20) (rev.22:14-15) (rev.22:8) tells us this. bl-ssed are they that #do his commandments ( rev 22:14)? yes indeed our leaders have caused us to err! ex.31:13-18 the seventh day of worship is an everlasting covenant mark and command as well as the seven feasts in lev.23 the messiah yahusha kept all and said if you love me keep my commandments our creator and saviour yahuah tzveaot says i change not? repent for the reign of yahuah is at hand!
  • Stanjett - In Reply on Leviticus 11 - 4 years ago
    In the new testament God told Paul that he has cleaned all animals both that that was unclean and clean can now be eaten. With prayer.
  • Mickey on Leviticus 11 - 4 years ago
    I would like complete verification on God's word. I have grown up in a Christian environment. I have heard some religions hold the cow is sacred. Strangely enough have never heard any not eat pork. Holy to eat beef, chicken, turkey, and fish? Unholy to eat pork, crab, shrimp, lobster, and other shell fish as it does not have gone let Laviticus?
  • Unknown on Leviticus 11 - 5 years ago
    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
  • Bruce on Leviticus 11 - 5 years ago
    He is a Jew, which is One Inwardly; and Circumcision is that of The Heart, in The Spirit, and not in The Letter; Whose Praise is not of men, But of God. Romans 2:29
  • Crystal on Leviticus 11 - 5 years ago
    It’s my belief that all of the KJV Bible is good and should be read in order, in prayer. These commands were given before Jesus came and said, it is not what goes into the mouth that defileth the man, but that which proceeds from...not exact quote but from memory of The Word, carried in my heart. Of course this book is good counsel still today, as it would be unhealthy to eat bats, crows, etc.
  • BSP on Leviticus 11 - 6 years ago
    Verse 44~Jehovah God commanded the people to be holy because he was holy. This meant that they had to adhere to God's standards.
  • A disciple on Leviticus 11 - 6 years ago
    Carol; I like what you wrote, and think that is a good interpretation. May I add, that the parted hoof represents being in the world but not of the world; and chewing the cud, living according to the Word. If we are walking a separate and sanctified life, but not according to the Scriptures; it is unclean. So too if we feed on the Word but don't live according to it! We have to be complete in God.
  • Carol Dold on Leviticus 11 - 6 years ago
    I believe the animals with the DIVIDED hoof - parted hoof are symbolic of Christ. Christ is the Word ( John 1:1). We are to rightly DIVIDE the WORD as outlined in I Timothy 2:15. Just as a lamb is symbolic of Christ ( John 1:29: ....Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world), a calf or ox is symbolic of Christ, a beast of burden that carried weight - Isaiah 53:4 bearing our sins
  • Ugwuishiwu Samson on Leviticus 11 - 6 years ago
    Dietary instructions of God to the Israelites is just to remind us of our peculiarities to Him as people. Christians should abstain from all practices repugnant to God not necessarily the food or meats we ingest.

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