Leviticus Chapter 11 Discussion Page 3

Please read Mark Chapter 7 and Colossians chapter 2.

We may have cleaner conditions and better ways to clean animals, but never does the text say that one day you can eat them. I have made the commitment to not eat from the unclean animals. In doing so, I have learned to give up part of Self and surrender. I am on the journey to become completely vegan. As to the Timothy comment, gluttony and indulgence is sinful. God planted things in the ground that are poisonous too, but you don't consume poison ivy do you? I actually think that TODAY as we have such access to great food supplies (here in the US especially) we can make the conscious decision not to eat these unclean animals, or to not eat animals at all. There is a reason why a lot of the other great religions ban consumption of swine. They are disgusting, bottom feeders who will eat anything from trash to humans. There is no reason to consume them. I find it amusing that Christians get all up in arms over meat. Think about it: God created everything in his image. We may not kill the animals ourselves as much as in the past, but we are still consuming a creature that was created in God's image. There is also scientific documentation about how much healthier vegans are than meat eaters. Vegans dont get heart attacks.

I'm more confused. It says that verse 9 says fins and scales. verse 12 says no fins nor scales. Does that mean catfish are not to be eaten?

We should stay away from shrimps and such, to be on the safe side.

I REPENT FROM EATEN ANY OF THIS. DEAR GOD NOW GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO REFRAIN FROM THIS UNCLEANLINESS

Okay, so taking this in a historical context, these rules were necessary to keep the people safe from diseases. They didn't know how the disease happened, but they knew that it originated from eating an animal in these classifications, therefore becoming unhealthy.
So, today, should we follow these rules?! Is any animal from the water not to be eaten?
For me, I see these rules as a historical artifact of a time when people did not understand food safety and am a bit more suspect that God set these rules out for his people...

The GOD of ISRAEL commanded HIS PEOPLE to keep the dietary laws that are written in the bible. These commandments werent given for nothing. so with that said its true you have to keep God's laws, commandments and statutes especially if you want to make it to the kingdom of GOD. Every law of God is still in effect and Matthew 5:17-19 makes that clear. dont be decieved nor decieve yourself, if you DON'T have understanding on the word of God DON'T speak on it. NOW, in 1Tim 4:4 it reads ''For every creature of God is good'' now thats true right? every creature of God is good, for whatever purpose God created it for. God did NOT create every single animal to be eaten and if you feel thats not true then dont bother spending money on meats just go outside and find a random dog, cat, rat or pigeon and take it home and cook it up! see the problem is people are wicked and want to cut corners when it comes to God and thats just going to get you a 1st class ticket to hell. God set a diffence between CLEAN and UNCLEAN beasts, and the DIFFERENCE IS clean is meant to be recived and unclean is NOT meant to be eaten( Leviticus 11:46&47) but is good for another purpose EXAMPLE PIG/SWINE that animal is a farm tool, pigs eat anything so its job is to eat all the trash off the farm including POOP now thats a good purpose imagine having a farm without a pig... now, is the feasting of this animal really tempting to you?? NASTY! and for Those that think its still ok to eat the PIG or any ABOMINATION... judgement is written just for you. Take a look at Isaiah 66:16-17. dont be decieved u WILL go to hell for this. simple as that.

Awesome!

i just have to comment on the above about 1 Timothy 4:1-6, as i am led by the Lord to obey even for my own home. Please know that in the beginning God created, and that when He sat the beast of the field, and the fowl of the air on the Earth there was no distinction between which ones were bad or good. But, along came serpent, and sat the stage for every other animal. Uncleanness represents demonic activity whether it is in a person or an animal. So, when God speaks and He says something is unclean, please know that He is talking about the enemy. So, as you are reading scripture, please pray to the Father for your eyes to be open. God will never tell you (the reader) that He created anything to be bad, which is why in 1 Timothy 4:1-6, it tells you that Every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused, and God means just that. But did He tell you to eat it in 1 Timothy 4:1-6....NO because he already told you not to eat it in Lev 11. The bible runs together precept up precept,,line up line. Please dont confuse God words, and find scripture that gives you what you want when there is another scripture which clearly say that you can have it.

Also, in Genesis 7:2 Noah was told to gather 7 pairs of the clean beasts and only 2 of the unclean pairs. This was way before Moses on Mount Sinai and the giving of the law, yet Noah knew which animal was which.
To me this shows that the law was in effect at least that far back, and most likely as far back as Eden. The reason I say that is Cain killed Abel - a sin of murder. Abel gave a proper sacrifice of a lamb, and it was pleasing - just like the law states to do. He doesn't change. Nothing in Scriptures contradicts itself.

In addition to the many verses quoted earlier about obedience, I would like to add a few more:
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Revelation 12:17 ... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12... Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14... Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I Tim. 4: 1-6 I don't know how you can make it any plainer. I am going to eat every creature that I like. No offense but it seems clear to me.

Let us not forget that Chapter 11 of Leviticus as well as Deuteronomy 14 are the food laws that we are to keep forever and they are not just ceremonial laws as Doug suggests. Yahweh is the same today and forever, He changes not; see Malachi 3:6, nor does Yahshua change either, see Hebrews 13:8 and 9. Sin is the transgression of the law period; see I John 3:4. Take note of I Timothy 4:3 "to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. His Word is the Truth, so let's obey Him and not eat any abominable thing such as pork, etc. See Deuteronomy 14:3; Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing. And finally see John 14:15; If you love me keep my commandments. Enough said!

I Timothy 4:1-6 Especially note verse 4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
verse 5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

In response to Doug.
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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The New Testament was written for the Church & Jesus is the head of the church. You have seen the scriptures referred to so either believe what the Bible says or just do what you want. Sounds to me like you just believe parts of the Bible. The Bible must be rightly divided. We are now living in the church age, the age of grace. That is not a license to sin but the ceremonial laws no longer apply to us.

I seriously don�t get this. Who is more important Jesus or Paul? Jesus had never eaten pork and did not say to any of the followers it was ok. he hated it. Don�t you remember when he casted devils from men into swine.
The pork meet is filled with toxins, check on wiki how good it is for you.
Don�t follow what saints say but only what Jesus said & did. Word and action of prophets don�t get replace by words of man. Paul was no prophet or messenger so why would god talk to him?

Leviticus 11 Plainly tells us what we should eat to keep our bodies healthy. We must aways obey our Creator because he knows what is best for us because he is our creator and redeemer. Please ask God for the strength, will, and desire to obey Him at all times. Our obedience and faithfulness will determine our future.

Thank You

Yvonne

hi All, God created our bodies and knows what is good and bad for them. Pigs and other scavengers are still unclean because they bring disease to our bodies. The vision Peter had is talking of the Gentiles and has nothing to do with the animals. The things good/bad for our body are still the same. It will not keep you out of heaven by eating these things just bring sickness. God judges the heart of men.

Check I Timothy 4:3-5 We are not under the Levitical law but under grace. Paul gave us the doctrine for the church through inspiration of the Holy Spirit & now we are at liberty to eat pork or whatever. Also check Acts 10: 9-15 Acts gives us the details of the transition from law to grace. When the veil was torn in two we came under a new dispensation.

Ricky, read Acts 10:9 to 11:18. Peter has a vision of all sorts of unclean animals, reptiles and birds, and God says to him, "Get up, Peter; kill and eat them." Peter says, "Never, Lord. I have never in all my life eaten anything forbidden by our Jewish laws." Then God says, "If God says something is acceptable, don't say it isn't." The same vision was repeated three times. You see, the Gentiles ate these unclean animals, and because of this, the Jews considered them to be unclean and an inferior people. God was trying to show Peter that these things that were unclean, were now made clean by the blood of Jesus Christ and to the glory of God. God made these animals clean; therefore, the Jews no longer needed to consider the Gentiles unclean and could now eat with them without risking defilement. God accepted the Gentiles (who did not live by Mosaic law) and He baptized them with the same Holy Spirit as the Jews. You see, before Jesus's sacrifice, we had to depend on obeying the Mosaic law to make us clean--and we could never live up to it; but now, it's Jesus who makes us clean, if we abide in Him. Jesus said in Matthew 15:11, "You are not defiled by what you eat; you are defiled by what you say and do." (NLT)

Hi David, Laviticus;11th chapt, 7th verse; states clearly that Swine is unclean, I read the entire chapter, then references. which include;Deuteronomy chapt; 14,V-8,/ Isaiah 65thchapter;4th verse. starting a v-1/ All leads me to a final conclusion, I cannot omit What God has deemed good, and bad, Swine is bad, according to these scriptures.I was told by a good authority, who had a degree,; that this was mosetic law, and didn't apply to today, and the new testiment, I cannot accept that, without scripture to back that up.can you comment? Thanks, Ricky Webb

from a young lad, I was raised on a small farm, we raised hogs pigs; swine. In my study of the bible, I decided to go from beginning to end. Needless to say, I love Sausage, & Gravy,Hot biscuits and apple butter. God clearly states that it is a sin, it is unclean to me to even touch its carcus. I am doing research on this, as I can't believe my Mom & Dad, having knowledge of this; dishonor God, as they were surely Christians. I was raised in the church of God, In the Alleghany Mountains. I have gotton many opinions, all say Pork, and Ham, Sausage,;is ok to eat.but no scripture to support that position. Can anyone help me?. I have gotton scripture, relating to Gods ability to clean anything, But nothing that tells me that swine and pork is ok for me to eat; with Gods expressed approval.

Please let me know where to find the Book, Chapter and verse for this sentence in your commentary: Whilst we enjoy our Christian liberty, and are free from such burdensome observances, we must be careful not to abuse our liberty.