There is "no" salvation in water baptism. Think about the sinner who was on a cross next to Jesus, when he ask Jesus to remember him and Jesus said, today you will be with me in paradise. He did not get down from the cross and go get water baptized. Water baptism is a action taken by a born again believer who wants to let others know that he has excepted Jesus as His Lord and Savior and has repented of his sins. It's a confession that you are saved. That you are a new creation in Christ Jesus, that you died with Him, are buried with Him and raised in the newness of Life in Christ Jesus. Hallelujah!
1 Corinthians 1:17: For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
If water baptism was a requirement for salvation Christ would have sent Paul the apostle to baptize. However, Paul was not sent to water baptize but to preach the gospel of which water baptism is not an essential element.
Romans 1:16-17 (KJV): For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV): For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Works, including that of water baptism, do not save. We are saved by grace through FAITH in Jesus Christ.
Water baptism is an ordinance and an outward practice for the inward work done by Christ when we're saved by Grace. I also agree that when Jesus speaks of water in John 3 to Nicodemus; he's referring to physical birth...no water baptism as an ordinance.
Religion (catholicism being one) teach that it is Salvation but they add sacraments and other works to that process thus showing how they've frustrated the simple Grace of Jesus Christ.
I agree Homer, John 3:3-6, seems to indicate that Jesus' mention of 'water' is metaphorical of human birth. When Nicodemus was thinking that this new birth was an actual physical birth (v4), and when Jesus then (in v6) reiterates that what "is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit", show that 'water' must refer to physical birth & not a future 'water baptism'. The whole focus of this passage was to clear Nicodemus' mind that Jesus wasn't speaking of a second physical birth. Man has to be born into this world first & then born again of the Spirit to be saved.
And indeed, if water baptism is an essential part of salvation's work, then, as you mentioned, those who die suddenly, or who are incapable of being baptized, or by neglect of the evangelist, will then suffer complete rejection by God, even if they have called upon Him in faith. Water baptism is an important first step for the new believer, but never to be part of salvation by faith, or else, salvation is no longer of faith.
I am my Beloveds__My Beloved is Mine - In Reply on Judges 2 - 2 years ago
Jesus tells us in John 3, how to be saved. We must be born again; and given the Holy Spirit.
Water baptism is not mandatory. It is an act of obedience, worship, a deep desire to leave a sinful past and feel clean. Some people need that and want it.
It is solely Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Jesus knows what we need.
It is not anyone else's business to say, do it this way or else you're not saved properly.
1 Peter
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Jesus shed his blood on the Cross for all human beings that would receive Him.
My testimony is like Paul's. I wasn't looking for Jesus. He came to me in my home. I saw Him. I heard 2 Timothy 3:5 like thunder. I was shown the death penalty for practicing astrology. I saw hell, I saw an invisible outstretched Hand, and I took it. All I knew was that I deserved death.
I woke up the next day, conscious of Someone telling me what to do. I cleaned house of anything He said that was occult. Two days later, I had a bonfire in my trash can. Acts 19:19. The Holy Spirit has never left me. He tells me daily about Jesus, what scriptures mean. It's been 36 years of trust, love, praise and worship for my Father and my Lord Jesus. His blood has saved my life many times. Jesus wrote my name in the book of Life before I even knew of it.
God does things how He chooses to bring us into the Kingdom. He gave me the Holy Spirit who has taught me everything I know. I don't have a library of books. Just a Strongs. Life is sweet. People come to God the easiest way possible. Softly or Rough like me. I know how much Paul loved his life despite the bad parts. It's the Blessed Hope of the moment we lay eyes on Jesus again. Tell people of the Love, not legalism. Love put Him on the Cross to shed His blood to give us His Life.
Verse 23-Jehovah God left the Israelites to their own downfall. They chose to go after other gods so he let them. God does not force us to serve him but he will also not shield us from the consequences of choosing to serve other gods.
I believe that your message is incorrect, and it conflicts with God's true message.
God can have mercy on whomever he pleases.
Romans 9:18
"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
The example that you stated of Jesus forgiving the thief on the cross was "a special act of mercy" for the thief, NOT a message to "all mankind" to go ahead and keep sinning and just say that you believe in Christ and you will be saved. That message of just believing is a FALSE MESSAGE! Even the devil and his demons believe, are they going to heaven too?
We must not only believe, we must be baptized in water, receive the Holy Spirit, also REPENT, and lead a good christian life following the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus/God's message is plain for all to see. We can't just ignore what Jesus instructs us to do. There is so much scripture of Jesus telling us what we need to do, to enter into the kingdom.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Do you believe the above scripture? If you believe the above scripture, and if you love Jesus you will follow HIS advice! If you turn your back on the above scripture, Jesus has already said that he will be our JUDGE, and he will judge us according to HIS WORD!
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} baptized to be saved? - In Reply on Judges 2 - 2 years ago
Precious friend, Landon. Water baptism to be saved? Yes, for Israel, to be "inducted into the priesthood," and for "remission of sin," However:
Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From "Things That DIFFER!":
No, for the Body Of CHRIST! = No "works" to be saved, as it is by "GRACE Through faith" Ephesians 2:8-9 There is ONLY 'ONE' Baptism, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE!:
Thanks for sharing the scripture confirming water baptism. Yes, I also believe we must be Born of Water and Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. So baptism with water and receiving the Holy Spirit will be the requirement - per Jesus Christ! This scripture is so powerful, Jesus stating "EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND SPIRIT"
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
To argue differently, is to argue directly with Jesus.
All...what we have to understand it's not by our will but by HIS will alone that anything happens! 1corinthians 3:7 We don't save anyone, we don't choose ourselves to be saved it's all HIS will! Because HE loved you enough to allow you to see HIS glory and wake up one day!! THAT'S real facts...now you spread that seed of knowledge you have been given and then if He sees fit HE will give increase to those that hears HIS WORD!!(YAHUSHUA)
Mark 16:15 KJV says "... Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.". That is an order from God and even though it's hard to talk to people right now, we have electronics, we can still spread the gospel. We don't know what will happen or when so we need to tell people about God's word and what he did for all ( John 3:16) it woul be our fault if we knew someone was not saved and we didn't do anything about it and they go to hell to spend eternity.
Adams, Judg 2:18 speaks of people appointed by God to rule over His people & to guide them in His Ways. They were a pre-cursor to the appointment of the kings, of whom Saul was the first. This Scripture doesn't tell us about those called to be evangelists. We are all tasked with the ministry of the Gospel to the unsaved, whether one to one, or en masse. So much so as we see the Day of the Lord coming.
"Was there a failure on the part of the last generation that KNEW God and His deeds in handing over the baton properly to the next generation?" I think the answer to that could be Yes and No. There is certainly a wicked generation that rebels in a rage and fury away from the good and the holy way of Jesus, so they can fornicate and live lawlessly and NO ONE tell them what to do. But we are signs!
"And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods.." People a responsible for their own ways and choices! Many good Christians have parents or brothers and sisters or children who despise and reject the LORD JESUS CHRIST so they can give themselves over to fornication and lawlessness and fully let Satan into their hearts! Its not the Christian's fault!
And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers: and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel.. Was there a failure on the part of the last generation that knew God and His deeds in handing over the baton properly to the next generation? Let us heed the word of God in Deuteronomy 6;6-9
"And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept." The people then brought forth fruits of their repentance, and served the LORD; even though they now had to bear with the punishment of God not anymore driving the enemies out, as He did at the first. But the generation following was wicked and proud!
"Nevertheless the LORD raised up judges..yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods.." Christians, do you not remember how hard it was because of your sins, for you to finally be humbled and broken enough, to come to repentance and a sincere and thorough conversion? The ungodly despise and reject Jesus so they can keep sinning and live however they wish.
The Israelites did not listen to God and so in verse 3 they had to suffer the consequences of their actions. Anyone who disobeys God will eventually have to face the bad consequences of their actions.
Dear friends in the LORD a lot can be driven out this portion of scripture however my emphasis is verse 21, GOD let a few tribes during the time of Joshua his servant not as a sign of defeat to him but for the young ISRAELITES to drive out as a task if they really understood their God but instead this guys just copied the evil their subjects were doing this caused them get a curse for a blessing lets check our lives what is that which was left in your life may be family which must be removed? or else you may miss your blessing.
We are not here to judge but to be judged, we truly need to concentrate on self and not others, but to love one another and always ask God to allow the holy spirit to lead and guide us and help us with our thoughts and the words we say,that it is pleasing in his sight. Clean us from the inside out
We need Jesus he does not need us .we need to live like we need Jesus in the end there nothing the world can do for U just look around U man cannot solve his problem Amen
If water baptism was a requirement for salvation Christ would have sent Paul the apostle to baptize. However, Paul was not sent to water baptize but to preach the gospel of which water baptism is not an essential element.
Romans 1:16-17 (KJV): For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV): For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Works, including that of water baptism, do not save. We are saved by grace through FAITH in Jesus Christ.
Water baptism is an ordinance and an outward practice for the inward work done by Christ when we're saved by Grace. I also agree that when Jesus speaks of water in John 3 to Nicodemus; he's referring to physical birth...no water baptism as an ordinance.
Religion (catholicism being one) teach that it is Salvation but they add sacraments and other works to that process thus showing how they've frustrated the simple Grace of Jesus Christ.
And indeed, if water baptism is an essential part of salvation's work, then, as you mentioned, those who die suddenly, or who are incapable of being baptized, or by neglect of the evangelist, will then suffer complete rejection by God, even if they have called upon Him in faith. Water baptism is an important first step for the new believer, but never to be part of salvation by faith, or else, salvation is no longer of faith.
If not, how about those who are not baptized who die by disaster without who believe, but never got baptized??
Water baptism is not mandatory. It is an act of obedience, worship, a deep desire to leave a sinful past and feel clean. Some people need that and want it.
It is solely Jesus who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Jesus knows what we need.
It is not anyone else's business to say, do it this way or else you're not saved properly.
1 Peter
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Jesus shed his blood on the Cross for all human beings that would receive Him.
My testimony is like Paul's. I wasn't looking for Jesus. He came to me in my home. I saw Him. I heard 2 Timothy 3:5 like thunder. I was shown the death penalty for practicing astrology. I saw hell, I saw an invisible outstretched Hand, and I took it. All I knew was that I deserved death.
I woke up the next day, conscious of Someone telling me what to do. I cleaned house of anything He said that was occult. Two days later, I had a bonfire in my trash can. Acts 19:19. The Holy Spirit has never left me. He tells me daily about Jesus, what scriptures mean. It's been 36 years of trust, love, praise and worship for my Father and my Lord Jesus. His blood has saved my life many times. Jesus wrote my name in the book of Life before I even knew of it.
God does things how He chooses to bring us into the Kingdom. He gave me the Holy Spirit who has taught me everything I know. I don't have a library of books. Just a Strongs. Life is sweet. People come to God the easiest way possible. Softly or Rough like me. I know how much Paul loved his life despite the bad parts. It's the Blessed Hope of the moment we lay eyes on Jesus again. Tell people of the Love, not legalism. Love put Him on the Cross to shed His blood to give us His Life.
without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. heb 9-22
1st peter 3-21 read please
blood is needed for redemption of sin not water
stop the heresy on this site please.ephesians
1-7 in him we have redemption through his blood
the forgiveness of sins.
I believe that your message is incorrect, and it conflicts with God's true message.
God can have mercy on whomever he pleases.
Romans 9:18
"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
The example that you stated of Jesus forgiving the thief on the cross was "a special act of mercy" for the thief, NOT a message to "all mankind" to go ahead and keep sinning and just say that you believe in Christ and you will be saved. That message of just believing is a FALSE MESSAGE! Even the devil and his demons believe, are they going to heaven too?
We must not only believe, we must be baptized in water, receive the Holy Spirit, also REPENT, and lead a good christian life following the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus/God's message is plain for all to see. We can't just ignore what Jesus instructs us to do. There is so much scripture of Jesus telling us what we need to do, to enter into the kingdom.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Revelation 22:12-14
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Do you believe the above scripture? If you believe the above scripture, and if you love Jesus you will follow HIS advice! If you turn your back on the above scripture, Jesus has already said that he will be our JUDGE, and he will judge us according to HIS WORD!
God Bless.
Rightly Divided 2 Timothy 2:15 From "Things That DIFFER!":
No, for the Body Of CHRIST! = No "works" to be saved, as it is by "GRACE Through faith" Ephesians 2:8-9 There is ONLY 'ONE' Baptism, Today, Under God's PURE GRACE!:
ONE 'Spiritual' Baptism to be saved? Yes!:
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Christ promised the thief on the cross LIFE when the kingdom of God was made available by the death of Christ.
If you have to be water baptisted, then the thief will never be able receive Christ's promise.
Christ word's can not be broken; therefore it's water baptism that does't stand.
John baptised with water, God baptises with SPIRIT.
Thanks for sharing the scripture confirming water baptism. Yes, I also believe we must be Born of Water and Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. So baptism with water and receiving the Holy Spirit will be the requirement - per Jesus Christ! This scripture is so powerful, Jesus stating "EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND SPIRIT"
John 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
To argue differently, is to argue directly with Jesus.
God Bless.
Mark 16:16
1 Peter 3:21
Acts 2:38
Acts 4:12
Acts 19:1-6
Acts 10:44-48
John 3:1-6
1 Corinthians 14:2,22,39
Acts 2:4
Acts 5:32
Acts 1:8
John 21:15
Jesus loves us! Landon