John Chapter 8 Discussion



 
  • Richard H Priday on John 8
    Predestination and John 8

    The first 12 verses describe a woman caught in adultery. The fact that the man wasn't brought as well was suspect. Jesus gave instructions for the man without sin to throw the first stone; and when He remained mercy triumphed over judgment. It should be noted; however that in verse 11 she was told to "go and sin no more". In verse 12; Jesus appeals to the fact that He is the light of the world.

    Then; when disputing with the Pharisees and giving what seemed like a clear message of salvation and how He was connected with the Father; verse 27 shows that they really didn't know what He was referring to. Verses 31-32 describes what is often called "Perseverance of the saints". It makes clear that to produce good fruit; we must remain in Him; which of course is only possible for those sealed with the Spirit ( Eph. 1:13-14).

    In verse 33; another lie is told; as we see elsewhere in John that they were never slaves. Then; continuing to verse 38; Jesus reveals whose father they have. They are thinking about physical ancestry; Jesus is talking about spiritual authority; and spells iit out continuing to verse 48. The situation deteriorates further when Jesus is accused of having a demon (v. 48; following v.52-53; then Jesus gives a clear statement that He is the "I am" or God Himself; and the last first shows yet another attempt to stone Him where He escapes. (See John 1:11 to summarize this book). They are spiritually blind; but held accountable having physical vision (see John 9:41; Isaiah 43:8)
  • Suze - in Reply on John 8
    Hi Rosalia , every day ,for about the last three months , I've been helping my elderly and ill parents with house work shopping etc . I myself have health problems , so every day I ask God , through the name of Jesus Christ my Saviour and High Priest , to give me the strength and energy that I need to get through the day and do the things that I need to do . I think Paul was asking for the same things that I do , smiley face .
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 8
    I'd like to add, to the discussion: Philippians 4:13,

    Please read: Philippians 4:11-12, Philippians 1:7, he's also talking about enduring even while bond in prison. Philippians 1:13,

    But it was for the Gospel of Christ: Philippians 1:12-20,
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 8
    Rosalia,

    Paul says in Philippians 4:13, " I can do all things in Christ who is empowering me."



    That's the literal translation.



    The first line that says I can do all things, he says I have sufficient inherent strength already in me in Christ. I have sufficient inherent strength. The power of God lives in me.



    I can do all things in Christ, not through, but in Christ. And then describing Christ: who is the one who is empowering me, showing that God's power is continuing to produce His power and strength in me.



    I like that first line. I like how it says that I have sufficient inherent strength to do all things.



    Paul said in 2 Corinthians Chapter 12 when he prayed about the thorn in his flesh, his health problem, that God would heal and take away, God said to him my grace is sufficient for you.



    He doesn't have to take anything away. He doesn't have to change a thing. His grace is sufficient. And He is continually empowering me to do all things, to go hungry or to be full, to be made low or to abound.
  • Rosalia rubio on John 8
    What means philippians 4:13
  • Dav47 - in Reply on John 8
    No this was not Mary Magdalene who had 7 evil spirits; this was a woman caught in the act of adultery but what many read over here, was a group of men brought this woman to be judged. If she was caught in the act of adultery then where was the man? So Jesus went on to write on the ground about the men who brought her, 1 by 1 writing: where were you John the night of such and such? and he took off; on down the line he addressed the accusers about where they were until none of her accusers were left. Did each have a turn committing adultery with her and they finally got jealous because they found out she was with them all so they decided to have her judged? Moral of the story don't be willingly to accuse someone of something you yourself done.

    Luk 6:42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
  • THOUGHTS ON JUDGING OTHERS SINS - in Reply on John 8
    Jesus was anointed with all gifts of the Holy Spirit. Specifically, in this incident He knew by the Word of Knowledge __ WHO the sinners and hypocrites were, in that mob.

    They were trying to trick Jesus into rendering a death sentence on the woman. Jesus just said, "HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, throw the first stone."

    We have to cultivate the Mind of Christ within ourselves. We need Jesus to do that. If it feels like judging, it probably is. We need to drop all of our rocks and go get our minds renewed in the Bible.

    The Bible speaks on RIGHTEOUS judgment. If it's illegal, the police and courts are appointed by God; to settle these issues. There are soul sins, and those that are settled in courts. On THAT DAY, no one was on that jury. All were conscious of their sins.

    I always got in trouble because of judging. It was very very painful to UNLEARN IT. We can, by prayer, be released for judging others sins, but not our own sins.

    When we get cured of that__The Lord will use us to set others free too. You will love the rewards!!

    If your friend is going through this, Teach them to run TO THE CROSS, to be declared Not Guilty. Jesus paid in Blood for all of our sins.

    EXCEPTION: the sins we retain, REMAIN. Think on that.

    I'm not going to condemn anyone. It's too painful and prolonged, to get ourselves free.
  • Debbie on John 8
    John 8:7 Ive read it is believed the woman spoken of here was Mary Magdalene? Any more info on this scripture. My daughter is sitting in judgement at this moment, encouraged her to read this whole chapter that involved Jesus lso being judged.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 8:6
    Erich,

    Thanks for your explanation. As a believer we all should be serious about imitating Christ in our behaviors. That is our primary call.

    The Holy Spirit does correct us and urge us to return to this when we stray from obedience to His commands and fall into sinful behavior that weakens our resolve to refuse sinful temptations. I am not a OSAS person, but I do trust God has the power to keep me.

    In regards to those who do fall away as not being truly saved, I do no hold to that. I have three sons who believed the gospel and trusted Jesus up into their early teens and walked away from Him. Do I tell them that even though they believed they were not really saved? To me this makes God out to be a liar and a trickster to our children who grow up in belief in Jesus and walk away. Would telling them that encourage them to want to put their trust in such a God like that?

    I continue to pray for my sons to return to the Lord like the prodigal. I believe that God desires the same for them and will draw them back to him in His timing.
  • Erich on John 8:6
    Verse 51- "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death". This is such a powerful verse. there are so many people out there who are falsely claiming that once a person is saved they are always saved. They will say that disobedience to Christ will lead to chastisement or physical death, but, they are eternally secure. However, this could not be further from the truth and makes Christ out to be a liar. Very interesting that Christ says IF a man keeps his sayings they shall never see death, which is spiritual death. I just had a guy yesterday try telling me that all "true believers" will keep his sayings. However, my question is why did Christ not say that? And, why did Paul write in Romans 2:6-9 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:"? Paul knew there would be those in the church who would use their liberty in Christ as a license to sin, which is why he specifically warned BELIEVERS against walking away from Christ. He is 100% clear that salvation is conditional. He further highlights this in Gal. 5: 1-4 "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free (true believers), and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Notice, we as (true) believers can be SEVERED from Christ and fallen from grace. If Christ is the only way to Heaven, how can think we are eternally secure if God's very word warns against it? The OSAS crowd can't prove the Bible teaches "true" believers will automatically endure to the end. We must follow the spirit and never walk away of an evil heart of unbelief!!
  • Jayson - in Reply on John 8:6
    Very nice! I really like how you said it here! And I agree.
  • Denise on John 8:6
    Jesus Christ says it very clearly, Ye are of your father the devil!!!!!

    With everything going on in the world, He already new what was in their minds, hearts, and souls!!!

    You went against His words and the Fathers!!!!!

    There is plenty of room for all that worship satan, have fun in darkness, because that is what the Lord

    says in His word!!!

    BYE BYE!!!!!!
  • Jos L Ortiz on John 8
    The King James and others interpreted Malachi 1:11 in the future trend. The correct interpretation is on the present trend. Who then is God referring to? Who is worshipping properly, accepted by God, in contrast with the Jews of that time?
  • Michael LaFrance on John 8
    who was the adulterous woman in John chapter 8
  • Free - in Reply on John 8
    BSP on John 8

    Verse 44

    In my erly days ill go to baptise in wather. And the worst thing the society set a date 3 months, that was a long time. I wanted to baptised the same day, who was not possible becouse of this and that! Sorry am not a fan of the bureaucracy of the church.

    I get a call from a sister she read it out load too me. John 7.17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    Before that in age 12 years i said Yes Lord here i am! I get sick of pneumonia after that confession. But i hear in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

    So when the days come closer too the date for baptism, ill get heavy pneumonia again. Stayed in bed for days. The night before i wake up and had bad fever. My thoughts where something like this. I cant go no and i get other ppl sick too and it was no end of the apologies for not go and baptised. I was crying out my sorrow. I laid down again and locked out from my bed, and there right beside me i saw a dark crippled demon. It looked like it just was a head to posseses me. And the ugly eyes was full of nausea and vomiting.

    I sitt up in bed again and was realy scared, and i was almost dumb and sick. I open my Bible and what happened! Ill open it exactly in John 7. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

    Then i understand that this was a fight a heavenly fight! And i didn't evan know about it yet! After that i get too sleep and i heard in my dream a thunder and a storm i have never hear in my awaken time.

    Jesus and His Holy Ones was fighting for my life! f o r m e

    I have so much to thank Him for, He get all the price from me. And i will love him forever, and all the co wokers as well. He just give me unconditional love all days after. Thats why i love u all in Christ. Becouse He loved me first.

    1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us."
  • BSP on John 8
    Verse 44-the Bible openly exposes who Satan the Devil is. The Devil is a murderer and a liar and we see those today who imitate his wicked ways.
  • Rod - in Reply on John 8
    Hello Julia

    Don't believe your pastor when he says this, Quite simple if it's written in the bible it's God's word, and we should believe scripture before man. Jesus tells us that we are to believe as a child, and as in 2 Peter and 2 Timothy, the bible is written by holy men through the inspiration of God,

    I hope this helps

    Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

    2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" "That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

    2 Peter 1:20-21 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
  • OPINIONS are not SCRIPTURE - in Reply on John 8
    This is going to sound harsh and I'm not judging your Pastor. I've attended a lot of churches.

    Pastors, Teachers and others have opinions about the relevance of some passages.

    This is why God wants us to study in the Bible, what we are being Taught From The Pulpit. Note their scripture references and read them later at home.

    Come back in here and learn how to use THE SEARCH BOX. Put your verse in it. When it appears, touch the verse and it turns yellow.

    Scroll downward and there is the COMMENTARY BOX. Open and read what Matthew Henry write about it.

    You'll know the truth and Truth sets us free.

    It doesn't mean anything more than one person having an opinion. You will know the truth.

    We have many lively and heated discussions in here. We read, consider, comment back or agree peacefully to disagree. Doesn't have anything to do with the validity of Scripture. Gods Bible (Word) is always 100% TRUTH. I've changed my opinions many times by things Jesse or Chris have shown me.

    It's all good interaction. It's really good you are searching things out. It's a mark of maturity. It is evidence of The Holy Spirit that inside of you, teaching the Word of God to you. He teaches us, tells us what Jesus is like, tells us when we are in the ditch, how to get out; when we sin and when we do good.

    I love being a Christian!

    God bless your precious soul and direct your steps all of your life. Listen to the still small voice.

    I get up in the Morning and . Say GOOD MORNING HOLY SPIRIT!! what are we doing today I get my coffee and we sit and wait for the birds to cut loose singing praises to God. Life is Good.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 8
    Dear Julia,

    Don't believe everything you hear, especially if it attempts to discredit the Bible, God, or Jesus. This is a spiritual battle and even well-meaning Christians aren't immune to being deceived. If you dig or talk to enough people, you can find criticism for everything, but the real question is: is it true? The burden of proof falls onto the one making the claim.

    You said it's unsettling, but it's not unsettling to me, because I know 100% that what you heard is false. The Bible we have is already from the original texts. The KJV is a translation of the original texts and a very accurate one. Satan has attempted to discredit and cause doubt in believers since the beginning of time.

    God bless...
  • Julia Sutherland on John 8
    Our pastor said this piece of scripture is not part of the original texts and believes it is not written by John

    Can you shed some light on this ? This makes for a pretty unsettling mindset for one such as myself who has grown up in church all my life - 48 years- and I've never heard this
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 8
    Hi Vincent.

    I believe your answer is in the text.

    John 8:44. Ye are of your father ( THE DEVIL, ) and the lusts of your father ye will do.( HE ) was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    God bless.
  • Vincent on John 8
    john 8:44 .... is the first murderer a reference to cain?
  • Richard Williamson on John 8
    God is great you me
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 8:58
    Theresa,

    The instruction concerning deacons is found in 1 Timothy 3:8-13.

    The word deacon, DIAKONOS, is literally the Greek word for a waiter, or waitress in a restaurant. It is somebody who serves, somebody who waits on people.



    The actual office itself was not created by man for the church. It was actually created out of necessity and need. Back in Acts Chapter 6, there were a group of Hellenistic Jewish women and families who were being overlooked in the daily distribution of bread.



    Not purposely, but in their community, these are Greek speaking Jews who are in a community together. And they were being overlooked in this distribution of bread.



    So the disciples said choose out men who are of good report, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom that we may appoint over this matter.



    And that was the beginning of deacons. It wasn't really an office in the church. It was the description of a server, someone to serve the physical needs of the believers just like it is in the church today, even though in the church today, it is an office called the deacon.



    The Text in 1 Timothy tells us that the deacon or deacons, as they are appointed for office, they are supposed to be examples to the rest of the church.



    In fact, it tells us in the text that they are to be lifted up, and actually it is the word pedestal, not for people to glorify them, but for them to be an example of what it means to be a server, because every believer is supposed to be a server. So they are the examples of what it means to serve.
  • Rick - in Reply on John 8:58
    Theresa Wilson 1 Timothy Chapter 3 complete talks about bishops and deacons or different leaders in the church. In His Service.
  • A Hodges - in Reply on John 8:58
    John 8:54 could coorespond with John 8 :58 . This may help you.
  • Theresa Wilson on John 8:58
    Where n the bible does it talk about the role of deacons
  • Chris - in Reply on John 8:43
    Hello Caleb. I'm unsure in what manner the evil one is bringing confusions to you, but for me, if there is something that comes to my mind that I know is debatable or wrong, then I resort to the 3 S's.

    SEARCH: SEARCH the Word of God to find the Scripture related to your concern. Entering a specific word in the Search Box on this Site or in a Concordance, might throw up several options for you to look at.

    STUDY: STUDY that verse, also the verses around it & the reason for that inclusion in the Bible, to make sure you are understanding it & applying it correctly to you concern.

    STAND: After you satisfy yourself that God's Word has given you the answer you seek, then believe it, STAND firmly upon it, & when that sly fox tests or tempts you again, hit him with the pure Word of God. That should scare him away.
  • Caleb on John 8:43
    How do you over come confusions from the evil one.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 8:58
    I too believe that scripture plainly says Jesus is God in John 1:1. However, we are expressing our opinions and if that was banned then our opinions would be silenced also. Usually when someone wants censorship they usually just mean the opinions they disagree with, and don't want to be silenced themselves.

    God wants to be sought. This involves effort. I think some things are meant to not be clear or understood immediately, and some things never. In Job, he questioned God why He did that to him, and instead of a direct answer he got an earful of how He was God and Job wasn't. The way I interpret it is like: how dare you question me with your tiny limited brain.

    There are other places basically suggesting our capacity to comprehend everything is currently limited. There are mysteries and maybe more will be revealed in the afterlife.

    Hebrews 11:3

    Mark 4:11

    Matt 13:11

    Matt 6:33

    Isaiah 40:4-5 - glory of the Lord will be revealed (in the future)

    1 Tim 3:16

    2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 - a 'strong delusion' will be sent. Judging by all the lies in the media it seems a delusion is happening now.


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