John Chapter 7 Discussion

  • Leon Griffin on John 7
    Stay with Jesus he is the bread of life John 6:66 read the holy chapter.

    He is faithful to us thank you Jesus

    Times are not going to get better but darker and darker

    Find rest and peace in Jesus,I will follow him

    Where else can we go if we don't have Jesus
  • Richard H Priday on John 7
    John 7 and predestination

    This chapter is a continuation of a narrative indicting the unbelief Christ had to endure from all members of society. Of all His sufferings before the cross; perhaps this is the most neglected and unappreciated as it took up so much of his time and energy.

    First off in verses 1-10 we see the unbelief of His own brethren (probably but possibly not necessarily exclusive to his mother; father; brothers and sisters although Joseph may have died by this point). Jesus' comment about not being His time yet could refer to the fact that He was still keeping things from those who would soon persecute Him once perceived as a threat such as Luke 5:14; or perhaps the full revelation which would occur at the cross.

    Verse 15 shows once again their perception of a mere man which Christ responded to in verse 16-17 which once again shows the source of any true wisdom is from God above.

    Following this; we once again have Christ validating doing Sabbath day healings to counter a repeated contentious issue. This helps to illustrate that when any TRUE miracles occur; persecution can't be too far behind.

    Following this; another failed attempt to sieze Him occured with the Pharisees contending with those who believed in Christ. Apparently Elijah and a couple other prophets indeed came from Galilee; so the allegations of v. 52 were spurious. Since it wasn't His predetermined time to die yet; everyone scattered in v. 53
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on John 7
    Luke 3:23 is the clearest reference to Christ's age when He began public ministry. That was the age; traditionally when according to 2 Samuel 5:4 David began to reign. We need to remember that Christ in all ways had to be as we were; but without sin. Obedience to parents meant that He grew in "wisdom and stature". He also "learned obedience" according to some other verses. How the incarnate Son of God became of "no reputation" in order to stand in and be our Redeemer may be beyond our comprehension; but it is so.

    Christ would be of "no reputation" ( Philippians 2:7 etal). To be truly a Rabbi; He also was fulfilling an age requirement; as He was Prophet; King and Priest. When the Spirit came down on Him as a dove; and He went out thenceforth to be tempted of the Devil ( Matthew 4:1) then He began the inevitable course of ministry leading Him to the cross. This shows also the value of His family; as we can see when basically He told John to take care of His mother at the crucifixion. Nonetheless; at 12 years old He showed who He would become. It is certain that as John also indicated; that if everything were to be told of Him all the world's books couldn't contain it. It is also true that much spurious material of the sol called "missing years" were allowed by God so that only those who truly hear His voice would respond; and also foreknew the 66 books that would result in the accepted Canon. It doesn't deny that some truths exist that are pieces of the original text from Enoch's prophecy; for instance, nor make all of Satan's statements something we should follow; but ensures that they have been faithfully recorded.

    We also have the Apostle Paul and what Christ said to him; as well as John at Patmos (not to mention Pentecost before He rose from the dead). There is also the "Cristophone" occuring with the Angel of God in the O.T. He is eternal; and now risen!

  • Donald e baynard - in Reply on John 7
    please read the question again
  • LARRY w HARVEY on John 7
    HOW DO WE CALCULATE Jesus time of his ministry ? and how could his brothers not have seen his life events , there is nothing written about Jesus from the time he was 12 years od , until he was baptized by John the Baptist . or have I missed something ?
  • Kay - in Reply on John 7
    That is an impossible question. :) You hit it on the head - EVERY Word that proceeds from the mouth of Christ is precious, valuable, Spirit and life!

    As I considered your request, I couldn't help but to sadly consider that I, for one, far to often, speak lots of things that are unimportant or unwise. Thanks be to God, I sometimes speak some good things as well. From us weak humans, there is always a mixture of good speech and not-so-good speech.

    But our Jesus constantly speaks rich words, true words, right words, wise words; His words were and are sincere milk for babes and meat for the strong! His words instruct, correct, encourage, admonish, exhort; His Word are spoken to a purpose and are always pertinent and to the point. His words set the captives free! His words invite the penitent and strike terror in the proud! Christ's words are tender enough to support a broken reed, and strong enough to pierce stubborn, rocky hearts! Books can be written on the glories of the words of Christ. They are all wonderful, just as He Who speaks them is Wonderful!

    Let us love, cherish, and study and obey each and every one that The Lord has graciously given us. They are His love letter to us.
  • Carlos Robalino on John 7
    Never a man spake like this man (Jesus); according to You what is Jesus' gratest statement; though every Word of Him proceed from the mouth of GOD
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 7
    Luke 21:1-4, Mark 12:38-44,
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 7
    Luke 21:1-3
  • David - in Reply on John 7
    God bless Carol Mark 12: 40-44 The point was sha gave what she had from the Heart in private as,

    in contrast to putting on a self righteous show or look at what I'm giving. Totally different heart!
  • CAROL WALKER - in Reply on John 7
    I wanted to find the verse, where Jesus was telling the disciples that the widow's

    mite was all she had and the others gave from the overflow.
  • CAROL WALKER on John 7
    Could you please tell me where in the new testament the deciplws were asking jesus about tithes were being paid in the synagog especially what jesus said about the womans mite.
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Bro Dan You cannot walk by the spirit and throw the commandments aside because the walk by the spirit

    includes the greatest commandment. Walk in Love The rest your speaking of is stated in Hebrews 4 whole chapter, our rest

    is in the completed work of Jesus Christ and following that work in our walk. The example used is the children

    of Israel in the wilderness who copped out everyday i.e. quit believing or were dishonest in their hearts. Daily

    is the choice believe the Word or the World. Paul said to imitate Him as he imitates Christ, It Is Written!
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Sister GiGi,

    You make some very valid points and I basically agree with the flexible aspects that you presented. God will look at our hearts, and will weigh our sincerity directed at His 4th commandment.

    I think the main thing that we need to remember is the Sabbath Day is for mankind to rest. Many people today don't know how to rest. There are a multitude of blessings that God's gives us for following this particular commandment.

    I know that you agree that it is good, and my main focus was to emphasize that the Sabbath is not bad - but good!

    God Bless
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Bro Rick,

    Thanks for all of your feedback, and you make some good valid points.

    I understand and agree that we should walk in Christ 24/7. But, I also believe we should take God's commandments to heart. If we actually have the Spirit we really should be. It is helpful, to also keep God's commandments front and center in our minds and in our hearts, so that as we walk with the Spirit we can confirm that we are really following what we think we are, and have not fooled ourselves, or slipped away.

    All of God's commandments are good, and so talking about them and stressing them, focusing on them is helpful. To just throw them aside and say "Hey I'm walking in the Spirit, and everything I'm doing is just great, and God approves of me" can become problematic.

    Lastly, I truly believe that God commandments/Law keeps us grounded and focused on the prize!

    God Bless
  • Gigi again - in Reply on John 7
    Dear rick and Bro Dan.

    I agree that Jesus honored the Sabbath commandment in a perfect way, not like the religious leaders did. These leaders were more concerned about outwards actions to be strictly done by rote observance but not from the heart. It is like giving God "lip service" when we pray.

    I also agree, that the Sabbath is good. But how do we know exactly what day is the true Sabbath established that day in Genesis in the year (what)? We really do not know this because we do not know the exact date of the first Sabbath. It could have been our Wednesday in our calendar or any other day. But , traditionally, it has been Saturday according to the calendar that was put into effect many centuries ago after Jesus lived on earth. How do we know that our calendar is correct? We do not. But in our time, Saturday is the 7th day. For many, this can be a Sabbath Day for them. Since the Scripture does not say we have to attend worship services on the Sabbath, (or any day), services on Sunday or Wednesday or any other day do not violate the Sabbath commandment. Those who wish to keep Saturday as a Sabbath and attend services on Sunday are being obedient to Scripture. Those who view Sunday as a Sabbath day and attend services are being obedient to the Scripture, and those who treat every day as a Sabbath are being obedient to Scripture. Each person is to prayerfully follow the lead of the Holy Spirit on this. It is one of those areas where, I believe, there can be differences.

    As others have stated, living for God 24/7 as much as we are able to do is our attempts to keep the Sabbath holy, as has been pointed out by some. But we will never keep the Sabbath perfectly in this life as Jesus did. He always did the will of the Father. That is why we rest in the finished work of Jesus.
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Bro Dan By the way if I didn't quite communicate correctly that's the first mistake I made today, and

    if you believe that they put screen doors in submarines. LOL
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Bro Dan He condemned the way the religious leaders at the time used the sabbath to there advantage

    making the commandments of God of no effect by there traditions which was false doctrine that overtime they

    made their traditions. Mathew 15:1-9. These same guys broke there law and had a trial at night behind

    closed doors against Jesus Christ and the same evil hypocrites made sure our passover was down from the

    cross so they could be CLEAN to celebrate the passover. So blind they didn't know they sacrificed the

    passover of eternity our Lord and Saviour.

    They constantly went against love joy peace meekness mercy instead do it our way or else

    that's the epitome of man made religion. It's better known as Self Righteousness. They hated Jesus Christ

    because he hit them right where they lived!
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Bro Dan I will rephrase he condemned the what the religious leaders were using Gods commandment to

    to accomplish self righteousness don't do any work on the sabbath which means don't heal anybody

    That's what I'm talking about, in our day and time some people say the sabbath is saturday some say sunday

    the idea is our rest is in the believing of what was accomplished by Jesus Christ spiritually which fulfills the

    law. The law was our schoolmaster until Christ Galatians 3:21-29 if someone declares that if I by occupation

    or choose to go to a fellowship in a house and not a building with a steeple and cross does that make me

    a sinner? My bible says the church are the people eklesia which is a gathering of people who come together

    for one common purpose ours is to worship and love God. We who walk by the spirit fulfill the law.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 7
    Bro Rick,

    You are incorrect. Jesus didn't condemn the Sabbath. He condemned the Pharisees for the overly strict interpretation of the Laws, including the Sabbath. Let's get it right! Jesus and the apostles always kept the Sabbath Day as did the church in the 1st century.

    Jesus or JC as you call him, observed the Sabbath, and he showed us by example that we could help others on the Sabbath. So, Jesus always leads by example.

    Jesus said: Luke 6:5

    "And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." Why would Jesus want to be Lord of something that is bad?

    You seem to insinuate that the Sabbath is a bad thing. It is a gift that God gave to man. He created us, and he knows that we need rest from working. God also tells us specifically 'To Remember to keep holy the Sabbath".

    It's called being obedient to God, something mankind does not like to do.

    God Bless
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 7
    Interesting conversation here concerning keeping the Sabbath. I think it is important to have a time to rest from work. In our society today, we do have time to do this more than any other time in history. When people had to work all of the time, morning to night, to provide for their families, they did not have much "free" time. We have oodles of it, hence we have so many "leisure" activities (sports, hobbies, clubs, etc.) to engage in today. I do not read in the Genesis account exactly what we are to do on a Sabbath day except to rest from work.

    Hebrews speak of a rest that is in God. Perhaps that is what God is speaking about when He commanded the keeping of the Sabbath as "holy" (set apart for God). I think that living as one set apart by God through conversion is keeping the rest of God.
  • David - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Corine I believe the idea from the time of Adam and Eve was to worship or love God twenty four seven

    the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath also everyday for believers is the Lords Day. The

    original sabbath was saturday which is als other day Jesus Christ rose from the dead.
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Hi Corine That's what happens when the traditions of men turns into false doctrine that's taught as true.

    I know some one with the initials J.C. who dealt with it all the time and condemned it.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 7
    You're right Corine, Sabbath was never on a Sunday. And you know what, the Sabbath is still not Sunday, even today. The seventh day has always been what we now refer to as Saturday. The Sabbath was instituted by God that His people, Israel, might set aside a day of rest, even as He rested (or, ceased from all His creative Work) on the seventh day & God sanctified it. So, if you or anyone want to keep Saturday as your rest day, no one should stop you.

    Believers who worship on a Sunday (what we term as the Lord's Day - the Day of His Resurrection) ought not to regard Sunday as a Sabbath; it's a day set aside to come together & worship the Lord. They might also choose to rest, not work, or minister to others on that day, but we can't change the Sabbath to a Sunday. A Jew or any person who wants to observe Saturday as Sabbath & feels that disobeying that command puts him/her/others in a precarious position before God, also needs to observe the other commandments, statutes, precepts & laws to the letter. As James reminded us & wrote, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend (or, fail to do) in one point, he is guilty of all." ( James 2:10). And brother Earl has also explained this very well.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 7

    Exodus 35:3 You shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

    Do you turn off all the heat Friday evening at sundown, that's when the sabbath starts, until Saturday evening at sundown when the sabbath ends. Surely you don't turn your stove on to cook or make coffee or toast bread.

    Leviticus 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and you shall AFFLICT YOUR SOULS, by a statute forever,

    Do you keep the sabbath to the LETTER, there is several hundred statues included in the sabbath.

    Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you a Holy day, a sabbath or rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put TO DEATH.

    Do you really want to live under the LETTER OF THE LAW, or the LAW OF GRACE.

    CHRIST IS OUR SABBATH, IN HIM we REST (are put to death) from OUR WORKS.

    Psalms 92:4-6
  • Corine on John 7
    People are celebrating the Sabbath on a Sunday,because they don't know any better. I'm not sure why Pastors, Preachers, Reverends preach on Sunday.They of all people should know better. No where in the Bible, does it say"Sunday is the Sabbath. Catholic priests will tell you that they are the reason, Saturday just wasn't convenient for them. They changed it. Apparently, present teachers today feel the same way, the real Sabbath just isn't convenient. God's word says,"the real Sabbath is a sign between Him and us,and. When He comes,He will know who kept it. I'm not understanding the Pastors. Do they not read the History? I'm amazed at the ones who celebrate the pagan holidays, but not the real celebrations we should be holding. Thank you.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 7
    Both terms "Holy Spirit" and "Holy Ghost" refer to the same being.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 7
    Brother Bob:

    God is SPIRIT, there is only ONE God and only ONE Spirit.

    God alone is Holy, therefore God is the Holy Spirit.

    Spirit cannot be seen, a ghost cannot be seen, therefore God is the Holy Ghost.

    Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and ONE SPIRIT .......
  • Rick - in Reply on John 7
    Hello Blaine One scripture example of your answer Acts 5:32 the Holy Ghost or Hagion pneuma [separate wind or breath ]whom God hath given to them that obey him, the gift form the Giver. Also holy spirit also translated

    holy [set apart by God] spirit wind or breath which ties in with John 4:24 which what God is Spirit and we were given His Gift, holy spirit. I like spirit better because ghost makes it sound mystical, that's just opinion. They are both the same.
  • Bob Blaine on John 7
    Is the Holy Spirit different from the Holy Ghost? Are tthey the same? If there is a difference, what is it? Thank you and God bless, I love this app!

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