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  • Andy G van den Berg on John 6:66
    FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD AND EVANGELIZATION

    The Word of God is God (John 1:1) and not for any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20). If it records in Revelation 12:9 that this whole world has been deceived, it did not speak of a particular country, group of people, person or religion, it meant the whole world.

    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God (James 4:4).

    The believers are not of this world. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith (1 John 5:4).

    Additional readings as confirmation.

    John 7:7; 8:23; 15:19; 17:9,14,16; 18:36.

    Romans 12:2.

    1 Corinthians 2:12; 3:19. 2 Corinthians 6:17.

    Galatians 1:4.

    Ephesians 2:2.

    1 John 2:15; 4:5; 5:4.

    The Word of God is God (John 1:1) and the scriptural references we use serve as confirmation that it is not us that speak, but the Spirit of our Father that speaketh in us (2 Samuel 23:2; Matthew 10:20; Acts 4:8; 6:10).

    The believers and followers of the true Christ do not involve themselves in the affairs of this world.

    God cannot be received by this present world and so-called world evangelization (global unity) is a deception at the highest level and the workings of the spirit of this world (John 1:5,10; 8:23; 14:17,22; 15:19,20; 17:9,14,16,25; 18:36; Romans 8:7; 1Cor. 1:20; 2:4-8, 12-14; 1 Thessalonians 3:3; 2 Tim. 3:12; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15; 3:1; 5:4,19; 2 John 7).

    It should be noted that in over 36 years of service we have never collected/received, solicited or requested donations. The gift of 'Life' was freely given and freely do we give to all those that believe (2 Kings 5:16; Matthew 6:26; 10:8).

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Joshua on John 6:66
    Is it considered bad to show someone this as your favorite bible verse?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 6:66
    Is that your favourite verse? I wouldn't consider it wrong to show someone John 6:66 but if that person should enquire about it's significance, maybe you could point him to Revelation chapter 13 & alert him to the coming time when the Anti-Christ will demand worship of him & all who do so are rejecting God & will suffer the Wrath of God (Revelation 14:9-11). It could be a good lead in for presenting the Gospel.
  • Bob Grove on John 6:53
    Psalms 101 v 6

    Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land , that they may dwell with me : he that walketh in a perfect way , he shall serve me .

    Verse 7 ...
  • Wenmar on John 6:53
    Brothers, this was a wonderful discussion! Very thought provoking. I can hardly wait to return to it and pick up my own study on the topic as I have yet to solidify my own beliefs on the rapture. Thank you and God Bless you!
  • Rami on John 6:53
    Abraham beget Issac ?who said this
  • Abraham39s Two Sons - in Reply on John 6:53
    The Torah and the Bible have recorded Gods dealings with Abraham, Sarah; Hagar; Ishmael and Isaac.

    In the King James Version of the Bible: chapters 16-21 are recorded the covenants and the blessings on Abraham's seed: Isaac and Ishmael.

    Ishmael: see Genesis 17:18-26, 17:24-26

    Genesis 16:11-16, Genesis 21:12-18

    The Covenant of the Land of Canaan (Israel)

    Genesis 17:7-8

    God never meant for history to have experienced all the wars fought in the Middle East. He made Covenants with both of Abraham's sons. Through Ishmael was gained wealth, lands, commerce with powerful princes and kings descended through Abraham.

    God had already decided to bless the son born between Abraham and Sarah, even before Ishmael was born. In Gods permissive will, He allowed it; and later gave a covenant inheritance to Ishmael.

    Gods Perfect Will was continued through Isaac and his descendants.

    He's God. We don't get to tell Him how to bless his people. The Bible says of God: I change NOT.

    God chose every human being that was directly involved in producing THE MESSIAH, that would save all mankind that would receive Him.

    This is all going to bring everyone on earth, to the Book of Revelation. I know, not everyone accepts it, but it's still there like a gigantic signpost at the end of this road we're all on. It's not going away. Even if we burn all the books and launch all the nukes; it will still be there. That is not me talking; it is the words of the Bible; carried and protected, throughout history. Also known as the Dead Sea scrolls.

    Jesus was, and is the Messiah. He wants all sons and daughters of Abraham's seed to trust their mortal and eternal lives with the promised Messiah. All must have their names recorded in his Book of Life. (Read Revelation)

    Mishael
  • Fred e Scanlan - in Reply on John 6:53
    For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes on him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world ,but that the world through him might be saved.
  • Johnny Gladden on John 6:53
    is the mark of the beast a real mark?

    Or is it something in your brain
  • Bendito Palavra - in Reply on John 6:53
    Revelation 13 has your answer.
  • Juliana JooSabba on John 6:53
    This chapter in the wisdom of Solomon teaches all believers in Jesus Christ to always trust God , relying on Him, hate evils and worldliness. To remind ourselves that God made us immortal and in His own likeness for eternity. Glory be to God in the highest amen
  • THOMAS E WILSON on John 6:53
    This is a wonderful biblical website with tremendous content but we live in perilous times and time is fast approaching that government totalitarianism and censorship will take all Christian content off the enternet. Appreciate what we have demonic principalities and powers are coming after Christians.
  • Johann Christopher on John 6:53
    mark of the beast in todays time
  • Paul e paquin on John 6
    years ago i heard a man say that the church is man made ,and at the end of times more people will be in home

    fellowships where did he get this ?
  • Mike N1 on John 6:53
    So, if you are not Catholic, you are not fulfilling this command of Jesus.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 6:53
    Hi Mike,

    I'd like to hear your thoughts on why you think only a Catholic can follow Jesus's instruction?
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    Protestants do not believe in the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. but this gift from Jesus has been perpetuated thru the Mass from the very beginning of the Church when Jesus instituted it at the last supper. "This is my Body" "This is my blood" no room for wiggle nor symbolism. Up unto the protestant revolution, there was only the Catholic/Christian Church and Christians believed that Jesus was substantially in the bread and wine after the consecration. Even Paul chastised people for eating and drinking the Lord unworthily and will be held guilty of profaning the body and blood of Jesus. He wouldn't say that if it was just symbolic. Check out "Eucharistic Miracles" via Google. What more intimate union could Jesus leave us than to leave His flesh and blood to nourish ourselves with for the journey home? He is God's "manna". In a backhanded compliment, why do you think satanists in their black Mass use a consecrated Catholic Host to perform their blasphemies. Why do you think it was mandatory that the Jews eat the lamb to complete the Pascal/Passover meal. It was a premonition of what Jesus was going to do at the Last Supper.

    Soon, very soon, Jesus is going to have a "one on one" with everyone in the world about the state of their soul as He sees it (See the book "The Warning" by former atheist Christine Watkins). He will also make everyone aware that He is God and that the Catholic Church is the church that He founded and wants people to belong to because it is the surest route to Heaven via His grace giving sacraments.

    So, yes, if you are not Catholic, you are not "technically" fulfilling this command of Jesus. So, come aboard. We have plenty of room for sinners wanting to become saints.
  • Norman Walker Butch - in Reply on John 6:53
    I hope when that one on one with Jesus comes that I am ready in his eyes! I am a firm believer in God and Jesus and everything the Bible says they did and everything they said to everyone. Thank you Jesus for all you have done for us and thank you God for creating this world we live in and there is not one word about you or the Bible I do not believe unless it comes from somewhere else other than the Bible! Love you and believe in you until the day Jesus comes, Amen
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    Right on Norman! God wins!
  • Adam - in Reply on John 6:53
    Hi Mike,

    I'd like to share an alternate viewpoint if you are open to it.

    Do you believe that Jesus often spoke parables? These stories and metaphors were a means for teaching and he explained why he used them: Luke 8:10

    So, when Jesus said to eat his flesh and blood in John 6:53 did he literally mean to kill him and resort to cannibalism? I believe not, based on all his previous metaphors. Even his followers knew it was symbolic, but didn't quite understand the symbolism yet.

    Jesus also said a few verses earlier in John 6:35 that he's the bread of life. Does that mean he's literally a loaf of bread walking and talking? It was a metaphor.

    Jesus also explained the purpose of communion in Luke 22:19. Do it in remembrance of Him. If the goal was to literally eat and drink Jesus then you would think he would not have said this. It suggests the whole purpose of communion is to remember Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and not that we're supposed to literally eat and drink him as food.

    Also Jesus says John 14:6, John 10:9, Acts 4:12 that he's the only way for salvation. Not a man. So, I feel if a religion uses another man, like a Pope, in-between you and Jesus that you must go through then it is a false teaching inconsistent with scripture.

    God bless!
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    (continued with Adam as I ran out of counter)

    Have you not asked other people to pray for you or for some special intention that you have? I'm guessing you have. Why do you do that? Are you not putting a man/woman in-between you and Jesus? Jesus established a new priesthood in the apostles and put Peter as head of His Church on earth (Matthew 16:18+).

    The Acts of the Apostles shows in numerous places about priestly succession as well as succession of Peter after he died. Jesus knew his apostles were going to die and designed His Church to continue till the end of time with a priesthood to administer His Sacraments which meant someone else would need to replace Peter as head of the Church and receive the power of the "keys". If you don't like the way Jesus set up His Church government, talk to Him. Technically, the Pope has only invoked the power of Infallibility less than a handful of times and usually not without consulting his advisors. The Lord's Peace brother.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 6:53
    Dear Mike, I am willing to continue this discussion as long as you use respectful language.

    In your first paragraph you asked a couple questions that seem to be loaded with assumptions. I have no idea where those assumptions even come from.

    At the end of your first paragraph you mention Peter as head of his church? I don't interpret the verse that way at all. Jesus is the head of the church, not a man or anyone else. You can view a commentary on this on this website which explains it in detail: Link

    In your second paragraph you make a case for 'priestly succession', but I believe this conclusion is based on misinterpretions of the scripture. Jesus already said he's the way, no one else. He's the door, no one else. No hierarchy or priesthood is supported by the scriptures as an arbitrator between you and God. The Bible says church can have its own minister, elders and deacons, but that's only for church management, not for a relationship between you and God. Jesus is the way, he's the only way. There's no where in scripture saying people need to pray to a pope and have graven images of them. It says the opposite, though.
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    Dear Adam,

    I'll try to be respectful, but I'm 70 and don't have many seconds or filters left... but I'll try.

    You will make a good Catholic. My guess is that if you were born in the first 1400 years of the Church you would have been one.

    I don't think my first questions were loaded at all. I was just trying to show that we solicit intercessory prayer from others (Adam, would you please pray for my mom who is on her deathbed? for example) so there are times that we use alternatives to solicit God's help other than only going right to Him. Intercessory prayer is all over in the bible. Anytime someone comes up to Jesus to have him help someone else, that is intercessory prayer and Jesus honored that.

    Apostolic succession (Priesthood in the order of Melchizedek) is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations.

    The role of apostolic succession in preserving true doctrine is illustrated in the Bible. To make sure that the apostles' teachings would be passed down after the deaths of the apostles (before the, Paul told Timothy, "What you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Timothy 2:2).

    Lots of untruths about the Church. We DO NOT PRAY TO statues or People. Statues are a physical representation of a spiritual person and we honor (not worship) the person and ask for their help as an intercessor. There are statues in the public sector but we do not worship them either. Humans are visual creatures - statues, icons, pictures give us a representation of who we are asking for intercession. Pictures in wallets perform the same function.

    Blessings to you Adam
  • MIKE - in Reply on John 6:53
    Dear Adam,

    I do believe Jesus spoke in parables and I'm sure you will agree that he spoke literally as well. New Testament refers to Jesus as the paschal/passover lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7). Vegan Jews didn't skip eating the lamb at the Passover - eating the flesh was a requirement to fulfill God's ultimatum. When Jesus said we are to eat and drink his flesh and blood he meant it.

    You cherry picked the John 6 passage. Continue on:

    55For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

    60Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?"

    61When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you?

    66From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"

    If Jesus was speaking symbolically, He would have called those who were leaving and said "Wait a minute, here's what I really meant." No He didn't and to make the point He was willing to have his apostles go away if they didn't believe what he said. The Eucharist is the ultimate "call to Faith" that Jesus gave the members of His Church and the ultimate gift. The saying of a couple in love saying "I could just eat you" - well in this case, Jesus meant it. He is the manna for the Journey, the living bread, the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the crown jewel that the Protestants threw out when rebelling. And as for the Pope, read up on when Jesus gave Peter the "keys" and what that means. That should resolve your Pope issues and succession. Joseph in the old testament had the "keys" to Egypt. Also remember, the Church came 400 years before the Bible. The bible has truth, but not the whole truth. That is found in the Tradition of the Catholic Church. "Eat my flesh and drink my blood" - NOT SYMBOLIC. The devil has tricked you. God's blessings brother.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 6:53
    Hello, I'm secure in what the Bible says and means. Have you prayed to God to reveal the truth to you? Please be respectful and don't say things like 'the devil has tricked you', because others can say that right back to you. God bless you.
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    Adam,

    I apologize for making the devil comment seemingly directed at you. Please forgive me.

    What I meant to say was that the devil is behind the Protestant division. He hates the Eucharist as it is such a personal love gift from Jesus to His people.

    So the perfect storm happened with Father Martin Luther in 1400s to break off a branch of revolutionaries from "under the thumb" of the Catholic Church into a new dissident group called Protestants which allowed them to do away with many of the fundamental teachings and authority of the Church. You can be assured that the devil was behind this fiasco as he hates the Catholic Church as well.

    So Protestantism was able in one fell swoop to get rid of Jesus' priesthood, His established government, His Mass, His Eucharist, and the rest of His grace giving sacraments (save Baptism thanks be to God) etc. This is how the devil has tricked multiple generations of people and deprived them of the full benefits of the Church that Jesus established. This is also why there are more than 30,000 different Christian denominations because there is no authority to govern the splinters and the interpretation of the bible. The Bible needs the Church for true interpretation not visa versa. Without that, 2 people can interpret the same passage different ways and they both can't be right (this thread is an example) and therefore, that is why there are so many different denominations.

    So, I rest my case that the fullness of Jesus plan is for us to "all be one" in the Catholic Church that He established, guides and nourishes at every moment. IMHO, there will be a reunification of the Protestants with the Catholic Church and this may happen by the end of the year. If you think that much of a change is impossible, just look what has happen to our world in less than a year. The devil is in his last temper tantrum - fear, division and ultimately the antichrist's appearance. We live in exciting times. Hold on to your booties!
  • Palm - in Reply on John 6:53
    The Protestants will not reunite with the Catholic Church by the end of this year..or anytime soon. You can count on that with absolute certainty. Within the same certainty, Mike, that you speak with.
  • Mike - in Reply on John 6:53
    Dear Palm,

    All things are possible with God, Palm. After all, we were all one before Martin Luther. Let us pray that Jesus wish to the Father (John 17:21 kjv)

    "That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

    We should not underestimate the power of God, Palm. There is nothing that God cannot do. We need to stop our inter-famiily squabbles and come together as Christ wants. After all, we all have the same Master.

    AMDG,

    Mike
  • Carleton - in Reply on John 6:53
    Have you considered how infant baptism keeps the relationship quite close?
  • Andy G van den Berg - in Reply on John 6:53
    Baptism is not able to save children or anyone else. Please read Hebrews 6:1,2; 9:4.

    The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider.

    It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived (Revelation 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

    You need not that any man teach you (Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Galatians 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Revelation 12:9).

    It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ (Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Galatians 1:16; Ephesians 3:3,5; Revelation 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world (1 John 5:4; Revelation 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived (Revelation 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it (Matthew 7:14).

    Luke 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.


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