John Chapter 5 Discussion



 
  • Ruth Winter on John 5:39
    Trying to find the scripture beginning: Whatsoever things are
  • Heidi - in Reply on John 5:39
    Oh, do you mean Philippians 4:8?

    "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 5:39
    Ruth,

    Are you looking for Philippians 4:8?
  • Ruth - in Reply on John 5:39
    Thankyou Jesse

    A good reminder of how to reflect whose we are.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 5:39
    Ruth,

    Amen, the Lord is good!
  • GAUDENCIO SUMILANG SANTOS on John 5:26
    This question has been in my mind for a long time now,

    Here is my question, We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge. Did GOD know already that our first parents will committed disobedience to GOD before HE tested them? If GOD know from the beginning that EVE and ADAM will fall into the temptation of Satan, why GOD still want to test them? Why GOD did not STOP to test them, even though GOD know already that our first parents will be fall into sin?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5:26
    Hi Gaudencio. What you wrote, "We believed GOD is all knowing with infinite knowledge", is indeed the very Truth that all of life on Earth is hinged upon. Since He knows the beginning from the end, with Whom there is no beginning nor end, then He must see all of His creation (including mankind & his behaviour) in that complete perspective. So what we maybe ignorant of by asking, 'why did God allow this or that, or couldn't He have prevented something from happening', is immaterial when one already sees the complete picture. We could never see it, but God has & planned for it.

    If God then created mankind to enjoy His Presence & live in a sin-free condition (as in Genesis chapters 1 & 2), it should be normal to expect God to engineer man's affairs in such a way to bring about the same sin-free, God-glorifying state which man had lost at the first (as in Revelation chapters 21 & 22). The fact that we sinned was not a surprise to God - just as the institution of the sacrificial system & finally sending His ultimate Sacrifice for mankind, was no sudden last-minute decision. God knows, that if His Love is so great & is unfathomable by us, then it has never been in His Mind to annihilate us, but to preserve us to an holy, eternal life in His Presence. What we lost to the Devil, we have now gained in Christ Jesus.

    Yet, the mystery of the Gospel still has to go out, that lost, erring souls might be saved & be made new by God's Spirit. For if they still reject God's Provision & spurn His Love to be restored to a perfect state (fully at that last day), then only God's judgement & rejection awaits them ( Revelation 20:15). So why were Adam & Eve tested? That they might know that after they had disobeyed God, that there is still a God of Love in Heaven Who has the capacity to continue to love & provide for them. And that Love, as all love, requires a response to be made complete.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 5:26
    Hello, this is a common question, but I think includes a false assumption.

    It sounds like the question is if God is all knowing He should already know all outcomes and what's the point of everything, like life and our 'choices'?

    I think what is wrong with this question is we assume God is a certain way and if it doesn't comform to our narrow understanding then we think something must be wrong.

    Here's another way to look at the question: If God is all powerful, doesn't He have the power to let us have choices? If God is all powerful, can't He choose to let things unfold on our timeline and to not need to see into the future for all outcomes?

    The Bible gives examples of God changing His mind. It's in the Bible, so either we believe the Bible or not, right?

    Exodus 32:14

    Jonah 3:10

    Genesis 6:6

    I've also heard people say things like: if God is all powerful, can't He choose to limit Himself? And if He can, then He's not all powerful, and if he can't, then He's not all powerful. I seriously heard an atheist say this claiming it 'disproves' God, but it's just another human logical fallacy. God is God and He is not confined or limited by our silly little logical shortcomings. We are the ones limited in understanding. 1 Corinthians 1:25
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on John 5:26
    GAUDENCIO

    Should we believe God created Adam and Eve not knowing what was going to happen? Many say it was free will they had a choice. If that, do we imply God is not in control. The first Adam was a figure of him that was to come. ( Romans 5:14) A shadow indeed! There are two Adams in the Bible The first Adam was made a living soul (being) the last Adam a quickening spirit. ( 1 Corinthians 15:44-49)

    "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven". Here we have Jesus as the second man, we know He was not the second man on earth. 1John.3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Was the first Adams purpose to start humankind or the start of the plan that Jesus, the last Adam finished that Satan could not see. There is very little in the Bible about when Satan rebelled but we know by the book of Job the angels were before this world was created. ( Job 29:3-7)

    I am sure some will disagree but I believe God placed the first Adam to do His will and it was part of God's plan that was before this world was. ( 1 Peter 1:19-20) All humans today are descendants of Adam due to the flood, the eight people on the ark came from Adam.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 5:26
    Gaudencio, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Romans 8:20 For the creature was made (CREATED) subject to vanity, NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of HIM who hath subjected the same in HOPE.

    God wants Sons and Daughters that are like HIM. He gives us and EXPERIENCE of natural life so we will KNOW GOOD AND EVIL.

    Adam and Eve's sin wasn't eating a natural fruit (the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE of good and evil is within us, it's not a natural tree), we were created with a evil heart. With just a little enticement from this heart; that wasn't born of the Spirit, Eve LUSTED.

    God TEST every man to bring him to TRUTH. Without ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. I am your life.

    The POWER and LIFE of the Father which lives in the SON was given to him by the Father. The Father then sent HIS SON to recreate all his sons and daughters into THE IMAGE OF GOD. Christ DESTROYS our EVIL heart by TRUTH and MERCY and gives us his HEART(SPIRIT). Everything given to him by the Father HE GIVES TO US.

    Man CANNOT BELIEVE this UNTIL:

    Philippians 1:29 For unto YOU IT IS GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake

    James 4:3 You ask, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you might consume it upon you lusts.

    Few ask GOD TO CAUSE THEM TO BELIEVE HIS WORDS.

    Few ask to be GIVEN HIS FAITH.

    Without HIM we CAN DO NOTHING.
  • The Terminal Generation of CHOiCE - in Reply on John 5:26
    I had to read Genesis really slow to pick up on more information.

    God made them in His image and likeness. He gave them free will to make choices.

    At that time they were spiritually alive, with soul and flesh. Eve could've obeyed God and Not eat the fruit, but she did anyway (her choice). She gave it to Adam (his choice).

    God had set time in motion when He said, IN BEGINNING. By Genesis 3:15, Adam had lost his mandate by then. That verse shows the mandate had passed onto Jesus at a future time.

    Time and Genealogy had to tick along until Jesus came to earth and was born.

    As 2nd Adam, Jesus fulfilled the mandate on the Cross by dying for the sins of all mankind. He crushed Satan's head (power).

    Satan was a Created Angel; and he has an evil will. He craved Gods glory and still thinks he can win by destroying everything and everyone God loves.

    We still have Free Will. We can choose to follow God and his Son Jesus; or follow Satan; or wander off till we die and must await the Great White Throne Judgment that God will officiate. Everyone at that judgement will understand that they chose (free will) hell, by not choosing anything at all.

    Romans 1, says that we are without excuse by not perceiving the reality of God. We didn't choose God. We made up excuses. Our choices determine our eternal location:

    Heaven or Hell.

    Nowadays, everyone screams for CHOICES. Well God gave us that right. We can choose everything EXCEPT God and find our conscious souls, eternally locked up with an insane creature that Hates God and people who chose nothing and ended locked up with Satan. No paradise, no Abrahams Bosom, just eternal suffering.

    Time is almost up. Matthew 24 is coming to life. We see the signs everywhere. Pestilence means Pandemic, in 2021. Memorize those SIGNS.

    There's a link out on the red link page, that says, Become A Christian.

    Time is ticking down to zero. Act on your choice.

    Mishael
  • BSP on John 5
    Verse 30-Jesus humbly submitted to God's will and he willingly did so. He thought it was unthinkable to even do his own will.
  • George Leppard on John 5
    Please list all the times that Jesus said the words "verily, verily".

    Thank You
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 5
    Hello George,

    I don't understand why you would want to know that. At the top of the page click on "KJV Standard" then type in whatever word you want to search for in the Bible. Have fun.
  • Nas jones on John 5
    Why do churches practice

    'the image of jealousy'?

    doctrines of vanities?

    And doctrine of devils?

    Why do preachers want to be a minister of Satan and not a minister of Christ Jesus ?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    You appear to group ALL Churches by these descriptions. I realize that many do not wholly follow the Word of God, often bending & twisting Scriptures to suit their own ends or even in gross perversion of biblical Truths, but you would need to give specifics to your statements/questions, which seem too generalized.
  • Nas jones - in Reply on John 5
    Thank you for ur reply
  • Nas jones on John 5
    If a person clothes himself in blue or purple is that person 'a cunning man'?

    Or is that person mocking God?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    I think you might be referring to 2 Chronicles 2:7: "Send me now therefore a man cunning to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, and in iron, and in purple, and crimson, and blue, and that can skill to grave with the cunning men that are with me in Judah and in Jerusalem, whom David my father did provide." And there are other verses in similar vein about "purple", e.g. Exodus 35:35.

    The word "cunning" is an archaic word for 'skilled'. You could also use words such as 'being adept in performance or having manual dexterity'. And these men were selected for their ability to work with fabric, producing high quality workmanship.
  • Nas jones - in Reply on John 5
    I was referring to Jeremiah 10v 9

    It was just a coincidence that I came across people wearing /dressed in blue and purple and we evidently mocking and blaspheming scriptures and using the word of God to wish evil to come to pass
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    Okay, in Jeremiah 10:9, we have a description of those given to idolatry & the extent the heathen go to to beautify their idols (maybe finding more merit by giving the idols extra honour). Such was their efforts to glorify their idols, that even their clothing was the finest ('blue & purple' - which the common man could never afford), as they worked meticulously in their wicked craft & were very skilful at it ("cunning men").

    I don't believe we can equate the colour of their clothing to anything sinister today. Some of course wish to show off their outward appearance & wealth, but the purity of one's heart & holy lives are of greater worth in the sight of God.
  • Nas jones - in Reply on John 5
    Thanks it explains the Pentecostal and prosperity gospel/ church And also the catholic and cofe church.
  • Adam on John 5
    Hi, there's a 10 month old child who may be suffering from a genetic disorder, there's a 6 month old baby in ICU and there's another child named Caith who has an abnormal sac of fluid or brain tissue that extends through a detect in her skull. Plus there's God knows how many others suffering from various diseases/ illnesses like Covid, blood cancer and others. There's one person who has anxiety issues, there are those in ICU, there are those who have seizures and another earthquake happened recently this year. Please pray for healing and salvation/ repentance including the salvation/ repentance of those around those suffering (mentioned here and those not mentioned here).

    Thank you so much.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on John 5
    Hi anonymous person. Prayer and outside of prayer I would suggest control the eyes, and the ears, sometimes music can take control of your mood swings, monitor what makes you weak, spend a lot of time in the word, and do whatever you can to minister what the Holyspirit have taught you through the scripture, change may not come overnight , but know that you made your partition before the Lord. I hope that helps.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    That's a very important & pertinent issue you've raised & I appreciate your honesty in admitting it, an area so common to the male species, but often kept buried. With all the bombardment from the media that typifies women as sexual objects rather than seeing them as God intended & to love & respect them as we would our own mothers & sisters, it is little wonder that both Christians & non-Christians suffer badly here.

    I understand what you're saying, though unsure of your marital status or age group, as in my younger days as a single unbeliever in the Armed Forces, there was always the pressure to conform & to view females in an unnatural way; & our treatment of them usually reflected our mindset. Many of them too, gave in to us & one even openly stated that women were on Earth to give pleasure to men! So for the Christian, Jesus' Work at the Cross not only forgives us our past sins but endues us with Power from on high to live above that type of carnal living. Yet the internal struggle goes on.

    You write about "self discipline and training your mind" which I presume includes spending much time in God's Word & prayer & specifically about your areas of weakness. Indeed, the Spirit of the Lord is there to guide & strengthen you, but also to inspire you to use whatever means to deal with it. Remember, whenever we seek to remove something from within, there is an empty space to fill. If it remains empty, then that temptation to sin is ever ready to fill the void. And this goes for any sin which is not of a sexual nature. You know the things that trigger lust for you & so how can you avoid them or deal with them? As said, soak yourself in the Word & serving the Lord in whatever way you can. Look at women as those of your own family. Whenever the wrong thoughts enter, cover it with the Word, look to the Lord to give you a way of escape ( 1 Corinthians 10:13), fill your mind with goodness ( Philippians 4:8). "An idle mind is the Devil's Workshop" - keep your mind employed.
  • Anonymous - in Reply on John 5
    I am also only 16 and my family kind of does nothing all the time. How can I stay busy and keep bad thoughts out of my head when I do nothing all the time, it's a huge void for satan to fill, and I read the Bible but I can't read it all day everyday. I take time out to read the Bible daily, but What do I do to take up some of my free time afterwards.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    Your honesty & strong desire for victory in this weak area of your life, is noticeable & you do receive our prayers & support. As a young man of 16, I perceive that your unnatural view of women, has been introduced & fostered by engaging in media depictions of women or even through viewing pornography. I know many people, young & old, engage in this as it is given so liberally on the Web & elsewhere, to satisfy our sinful cravings.

    You say that the "void" in your life is huge & that is so dangerous. I can't change your family's use of their spare time, but I can offer some suggestions. And I agree, that Bible reading & prayer cannot take up all your time, even for the ability to concentrate. But remember, prayer to God for help, is not confined at a particular time of the day, but wherever you might be: on the street, in a cafe, out with friends. Whenever sin comes knocking at the door of your heart, your first call is to the Lord Who loves you & wants to see you living in victory.

    An addiction, any addiction, requires determination & discipline to rid the habit. The craving might be there for a while, but the pursuit of it has to stop quickly. Firstly, stay away from those areas that are tempting you to lust. Remember that the Bible often speaks of fleeing lust when it comes ( 2 Timothy 2:22, James 4:7, 1 Corinthians 10:13,14, 1 Timothy 6:9-12, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20). If it's books, the Web, the beach, the movies, etc. that is causing you to falter, then stay away from them. The next important thing is how you view women. Always make it a constant practise to see them in a proper, natural way as equal members of society, worthy of real love & respect. You're in that 'highly charged' age group, but that doesn't mean that women should be considered in any other way than you would expect them to consider you or treat you. Be involved in Church youth socializing with them, be careful who your friends are & where you go with them. What are your interests?
  • Anonymous - in Reply on John 5
    Well I don't occasionally leave our house much accept to work 18 hours a week, that's about it. And one of my interests is art I really enjoy drawing.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 5
    So whether it's Art that is your hobby (& that is a great past-time requiring the creative part of your brain) & it takes up some of your spare time, or something else, such as reading, engaging in constructive games with family, friends, or on the Web, all these & many more that we can do to keep ourselves occupied & not let our minds begin to wander. Even helping a friend or neighbour out, can be very satisfying.

    When the mind wanders, it sometimes settles on thoughts that are not right or pleasing to the Lord. As you train yourself to focus on other worthy things in life & keep yourself busy, you'll find that your attitude & perceptions of others will also change. When once you looked at women with lust, you will now consider them differently in a godly way, & not as objects bringing on wrong thoughts. And when the time comes for you to settle down in marriage, as you ask the Lord for the right person to be your wife, you will see her & appreciate her for who she is & her contribution to your life & not just for sexual satisfaction. And she will appreciate a husband who has kept himself pure in mind & body, trusting the Lord for everything. You have a great life in Christ ahead of you - continue to seek Him first in everything you face & all your needs will be met, as a loving Father giving care to His son.

    I'm retired now & don't get about as much as I used to. However, this gives me opportunity to read more of God's Word (as you are also doing), ministering to others & getting on this KJB Site to be part of a great bunch of believers seeking to help others get to know the Lord & His Word better. Otherwise, odd jobs around the house, gardening & my love for flying (on a computer Simulator of course), also keeps me mentally & spiritually engaged. I too falter & fail the Lord at times - but the Lord's response is never one of anger & rejection, but of love, forgiveness & restoration. Stay close to Him at all times, my young friend - He's always there for you.
  • Anonymous - in Reply on John 5
    Thank you so much you have no idea how much that helps me. I really like being able to ask Bible questions to get closer to the lord.


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