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  • Mishael on Genesis 8 9 for verse 43
    I read something last night just really endeared The Lord to me. It was after the flood and Noah and his family were leaving the Ark.

    I was reading & noted Genesis 8:20-22 and 9:8-17

    In verse 21-22: And the Lord Smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said IN HIS HEART, I will not again curse the GROUND anymore for mans sake, for the imaginations of mans heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite anymore every thing living, as I have done.

    While the earth remaineth seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat; and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. (Jeremiah 33:25)

    The token of the covenant of is the rainbow.

    There was no anger. Sorrow in his heart.

    What hurts us, hurts him.

    How many times have we wept; why is this happening to me? Why didn't You stop it?

    How so the earth groans for it's redemption. As should we all...
  • D W L for verse 43
    There was a fullblood Indian mother that had never been to church or heard the word of God. Her son was born again, repented, believed on Jesus, he told her about Jesus and how she could be saved, that she should repent and believe, she asked her son can he (JESUS) understand my Cherokee language? He said yes mom he understands and she was saved and believed on Jesus. --- in the early 1920's - 30

    Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
  • Mishael for verse 43
    He will see his Mother again. A joyful reunion.
  • Bob Hilt for verse 4
    Why is when the rapture / resurrection a hotly contested thing? It was not even debated until 200 years ago.

    Jesus tells us plainly in Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed (weeds) tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (first the tares WEEDS get gathered, the wheat last) could it be any more plain than this?

    Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

    37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
  • Ann Hering for verse 4
    The tares are Israel who DID NOT believe that Jesus was The Christ (Messiah) of God.

    The wheat are Israel who DID believe that Jesus was The Christ (Messiah) of God.

    At the harvest of the world, at the end of the Tribulation, angels are the reapers, tares are gathered and burned, wheat are left.

    The Rapture is a Mystery revealed to Paul for the Body Of Christ, both Jews and Gentiles, who believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, by grace through faith.

    Two different programs!
  • D W L for verse 43
    Ann Hering - You should try tell the Christians in many other countries today that the Christians will be gone before tribulation (not wrath) they are burning them alive, killing them today in very terrible ways. I would name several countries but may not be allowed to post.

    Matthew 24:29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (the word after has one meaning = not before)
  • Ann Hering for verse 43
    The Tribulation is not happening now. The Tribulation is the Time of Jacob's (Israel's) Trouble. That is a prophetic event. We are not in prophecy.

    The Apostle Paul was buffeted by Satan because he preached The Gospel Of The Grace of God, believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again, all by grace through faith in that alone!

    Satan hates the preaching of the cross of Jesus Christ. Religion hates the preaching of the finished work of the cross for salvation. That is why Paul was beaten, stoned, and sorely mistreated because of The Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

    Today no prophecy! The Body Of Christ will be taken out of here before God resumes His prophetic program with ISRAEL during The Tribulation!
  • Chris for verse 43
    The point that most forget is that the coming horror upon the Earth is not A Tribulation, but THE GREAT Tribulation. There is a difference: John 16:33 tells us that in the world you will have tribulation, which must include our daily troubles whether small or big, as well as those who are burned at the stake for Jesus' sake. But the Great Tribulation is only attributed to God's Wrath & Judgement upon sinful mankind.

    And God's Wrath has been seen in the past, in The Flood, at Sodom & Gomorrah, in God's dealings with idolatrous Israel. We have not seen His Full Wrath yet post Calvary, even though some claim that our natural devastating phenomena, including viruses, or the Holocaust are examples. The next time God moves in this way, will be at the time of the End of this age, & will be with Fire & not Flood (2 Peter 3:5-7).

    So, can we presume that God will then have to judge His people, the Church, Christ's Bride, a second time for their sinful nature & ways? Or, will He take out (rapture) His Church (having already been judged & redeemed), so that His Wrath will be seen & felt by all unbelievers to the fulfilment of prophecy?
  • Ann Hering for verse 43
    God judged sin on The Cross of Jesus Christ. God is not judging sin today, IF He was, we would all be zapped every time we sin!

    John 16:33 was Jesus talking TO ISRAEL. Not us. Israel was going to be scattered very soon at the stoning of Stephen.

    Israel is the Bride. We are the Body Of Christ. Big Difference. Satan is the "god" of this world and he is having his way with man and religion!

    Paul is the only one in The Word Of God, Romans through Philemon, that tells you what your doctrine is today for this Age of Grace and salvation by grace by believeing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    One day, The Body of Christ will be taken, and then God is going to resume His prophetic program with Israel, and The Tribulation will culminate with the 2nd Coming Of Jesus Christ so ISRAEL will believe in THEIR Messiah, then The Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ on this earth; The Kingdom God promised to Abraham, then into eternity.

    Read Paul's letters to find out that all our sins are forgiven, past present and future just by believing The Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4 the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, all by grace through faith, no works, no law, just what Jesus Christ did for US!

    Two different programs. Israel and The Body of Christ. Paul tells us in 2 Tim 2:15 . . . Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth; that WAY you know what is for ISRAEL and what is for The Body Of Christ.

    Remember Jesus came for the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 10:6) Jesus was a minister of the circumcision (Romans 15:8) Jesus came in the flesh for Israel (Romans 9:5).

    One day, God is going to gather ALL, BOTH Israel and The Body Of Christ, in ONE!

    Ephesians 1:10

    That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are in earth; even in him.
  • Kevin Belgrove for verse 43
    Now hear the truth!

    He came in his fathers name, literally!

    His Fathers name is Yahuah.

    And his name is like his fathers, Yahusha.

    Yahu, meaning the Father.

    Sha, means saves.

    Put them together and Yahusha means Yahuah saves or Yahuah's Salvation.

    Jesus means absolutely nothing!

    Acts 4:10-12

    10
    then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the NAME of Yahusha

    of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom Yahuah raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

    11Yahusha is the stone you builders rejected,which has become the cornerstone.'

    12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

    The letter J was only invented 400 years ago making it impossible for the English name Jesus to be the Hebrew name of the Messiah.

    Christian Bibles use the false name Jesus Christ.

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  • Hi Kevin, Jesus is the name in English since we speak English and the KJV is an English Bible.

    One could argue that the word 'Yahusha' is actually false, because you're attempting to use an incompletely translated name using English characters. If you spoke Hebrew you would speak and write that word differently, and not just any Hebrew, but it would have to be old, ancient Hebrew. Also, since the New Testament is in Greek, to be precise you would need to learn the exact Greek dialect at the time of Jesus in order to pronounce and write Jesus's name properly. Otherwise it's 'false teaching'? The point is that it's normal for each language to have the words translated. It would be a logical fallacy to assume that because J in English wasn't made until later that the city of Jerusalem doesn't exist, for example, or that it's not called Jerusalem. Should we be upset that the United States of America is also translated into each language too, like in Hebrew- so are they lying by calling us that in their own language? Just challenging the assumptions about language. Jesus is the name in English.
  • Bob Hilt for verse 43
    So since the letter J is a recent thing and that the name Jesus could not exist. I suppose NO J in Jesus means that

    JJJJ Jews do not exist either?

    these Yeshua group are basically DENYING the King James Bible.

    Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

    The angel Gabriel told Mary to name him Jesus, not Yeshu which is a curse Jews say may his name be blotted out from under heaven.

    Luke 1: 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

    27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

    28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

    29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

    30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

    31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

    32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

    So do we believe the Bible or Jewish fables that the New Testament Bible was originally Hebrew and mistranslated by those pagan anti-Semitic Greeks?

    Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
  • Mr Kevin Belgrove for verse 43
    Shalom Bob,

    Yes I agree the name Jew never existed until at least 400 years ago.

    Just like Yahuah, who name his son, with his own name Yahusha, he also name his chosen people after himself, they are called Yahudim.

    Yahuah also name the land where they lived after his own name Yahudah. Not Judah.

    Matthew is also wrong, as Yahuah also name him with his own name within his correct name - Mattithyahu.

    You are only reading the name Jesus because that's what Christian Bible all say.

    No the New Testament was not written in Greek it was translated from Hebrew into Greek and it was this translation where they CHANGED Yahusha to IESOUS then more recently changed IESOUS to Jesus.

    Yeshua is also incorrect, so no I am not of "this Yeshua group" as you put it.

    You have taken Titus 1:14 out of context so I want bother with that.

    Do you really think that your Jesus really spoke to the Hebrews in Greek? REALY!

    Anyway Yahuah only loves those who call upon his name and the name of his son Yahusha.

    Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me.
  • Bob Hilt for verse 43
    Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

    The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Doctor David Stern writes:

    Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

    The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

    In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

    Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

    Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

    11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

    with the music of your lyres,

    under you a mattress of maggots,

    over you a blanket of worms.'

    (KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

    12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

    MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

    How did you come to be cut to the ground,

    conqueror of nations?

    13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

    I will raise my throne above God's stars.

    I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

    far away in the north.

    14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

    I will make myself like the Most High.'

    So who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR.

    Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

    Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR.

    Did you catch it Jesus is Yeshua the MORNING STAR in Revelation 22 and in Isaiah 14 Yeshua fell from heaven making him Lucifer essentially
  • Mr Kevin Belgrove for verse 43
    Shalom Bob,

    Yes I agree the name Jew never existed until at least 400 years ago.

    Just like Yahuah, who name his son, with his own name Yahusha, he also name his chosen people after himself, they are called Yahudim.

    Yahuah also name the land where they lived after his own name Yahudah. Not Judah.

    Matthew is also wrong, as Yahuah also name him with his own name within his correct name - Mattithyahu.

    You are only reading the name Jesus because that's what Christian Bible all say.

    No the New Testament was not written in Greek it was translated from Hebrew into Greek and it was this translation where they CHANGED Yahusha to IESOUS then more recently changed IESOUS to Jesus.

    Yeshua is also incorrect, so no I am not of "this Yeshua group" as you put it.

    You have taken Titus 1:14 out of context so I want bother with that.

    Do you really think that your Jesus really spoke to the Hebrews in Greek? REALY!

    Anyway Yahuah only loves those who call upon his name and the name of his son Yahusha.

    Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me.
  • Bob Hilt for verse 43
    Q: Did Jesus take the Kingdom of God from the Jews?

    A: Mathew 21:43 Therefore say I (Jesus speaks to Jews) unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    (Lets see was it the Jews who killed Jesus and Christians? The Greeks who spread the orthodox christian faith all over eastern Europe.)

    Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:14 - 16 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

    King James Bible book of John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

    John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

    1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

    DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

    In Mark 15: 34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard [it], said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

    these Jews did not even understand what Jesus was saying in Hebrew

    John 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. so why would this tell you in the Hebrew Gabbatha if it was originally in Hebrew? NO it was in Greek, it was Jews who killed Christians
  • Ann Hering for verse 43
    God has NOT cast away His people Israel!

    Romans 11:1

    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham of the tribe of Benjamin.

    Israel stumbled at the cross, and fell at the stoning of Stephen.

    BUT through their (Israel's) fall, salvation came to the Gentiles through the apostle Paul and the gospel, believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, all by grace through faith.

    God will resume His prophetic program with Israel after The Body Of Christ is raptured (taken) out of the way.
  • Mr Kevin Belgrove for verse 43
    Shalom Adam,

    I don't know where you got your information from but it's not correct.

    If you read a bible for yourself then you may start to gain some insight, knowledge and understanding?

    The Bible is very clear about salvation being conditional upon using the correct names.

    The KJV doesn't ever tell you "the Lords" name?

    No his name is not "the Lord" nor is it "God"

    If you bother to read a bible then you will see for yourself that we are commanded to call upon His name. "Yahuah"

    As to Jerusalem it's also wrong.

    It's Yerusalayim.

    Once again;

    Acts 4:10-12

    10
    then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the NAME of Yahusha

    of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom Yahuah raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

    11Yahusha is the stone you builders rejected,which has become the cornerstone.'

    12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

    The letter J was only invented 400 years ago making it impossible for the English name Jesus to be the Hebrew name of the Messiah.

    Christian Bibles use the false name Jesus Christ.

    Acts 4:10-12

    10
    then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the NAME of Yahusha

    of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom Yahuah raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

    11Yahusha is the stone you builders rejected,which has become the cornerstone.'

    12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

    The letter J was only invented 400 years ago making it impossible for the English name Jesus to be the Hebrew name of the Messiah.

    Christian Bibles use the false name Jesus Christ.

    If you don't get it, that's ok.

    Yahuah only wants those who call upon His name-Yahuah and His sons name Yahusha.
  • Ann Hering for verse 43
    Jesus Christ is Creator God.

    Lucifer is a created being.

    Not the same!
  • Chris for verse 43
    Kevin, I would just take up one point with you, as Adam & Bob have written well on the spelling/usage of names.

    My point refers to : "The Bible is very clear about salvation being conditional upon using the correct names". This has raised my interest (apart from what the spelling should be from the original languages). Are you saying, that if the incorrect name is used, then salvation is denied? Any Scriptures to back this up? Thank you.
  • Dear Kevin,

    Your response actually proved my point, but you don't yet realize it.

    >As to Jerusalem it's also wrong. It's Yerusalayim.

    I thought you would say that and my point in my last comment is that your new word is wrong. The reason is that it's still not in Hebrew or Greek. Hebrew uses the Jewish script and is a different word than what you've written. You can use Google Translate to see for yourself or just research the language. English uses Roman/Latin characters and you're thinking a word is wrong when it isn't then attempting to only partly translate it back to a language while still keeping your own familiar characters. Someone could call what you did there 'false'.

    >The letter J was only invented 400 years ago making it impossible for the English name Jesus to be the Hebrew name of the Messiah.

    Why would a name in one language ever be the same in another language with a different alphabet? Jesus is the correctly translated name into English. The word Jesus is a different word in each language such as using the Hebrew or Greek alphabet. What you assume is the 'real word' in Roman / Latin characters is still incorrect because you're not using the right alphabet. If you actually want to say/read Jesus's name in the original languages you would actually need to learn to read/write ancient Greek and Hebrew. You can see what it looks like on this site: Link
  • No human knows the name of Christ, Jesus is just title. :)
  • Mishael for verse 43
    MAY: you raced right by verse: John 5:23

    "That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoureth NOT the Son, honoureth Not the Father which hath sent him."

    Jesus has numerous names; having different meanings. John 1:21 shows his name at birth...Jesus."

    It's the only name by which you are saved.
  • Dayalan for verse 4
    According to Leviticus is it good to avoid forbidden to the follower of God.
  • Ronald Adams for verse 4
    Who is the hunter Kiefer
  • James brooks for verse 4
    Rod the gospels are the story and life of JESUS CHRIST.Paul,s Epistles were to the seven Churches scattered through out Asia Minor,Greece and Rome.The Gospel is for JESUS CHURCH throughout the WORLD.Those who believe in Him.FOR HIS SHEEP>THE ones who hear HIS VOICE and follow Him.And I want to mention this to Adam;Try to be obedient because it,s the right thing to do.Christ was obedient to His Father.Be an imitator of CHRIST.You try,and try again,keep trying.In Ephesians 6:1 children are told to obey their parents.Shouldn,t we try to obey our Heaven Father even more?Be CHRIST like He obeyed His FATHER by the finish work on the cross for us.(all for us).GOD BLESS.
  • There is no eternal life in th written word,eternal life in only by the living word, My words are spirit and life.Peter says being bornagain by an incorruptible seed even by the words of God that LIVIETH and abideth for ever ( the living word ) which is spirit and life.IF WE CD BE BORNAGAIN BY READING THE BIBLE JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD IN VAIN AND THE CROSS WAS JUST FOOLISHNESS. There was no other nation as sola scriptura as Israel but Israel stoned almost every prophet and REJECTED th Christ and Jesus was the LIVING WORD THAT THEY REJECTED.Its not about paper and ink but the blood of Jesus th living word of God the stone the builders rejected.The bible is precious and holy we need the bible written word. but there is no eternal life in the bible per se.The bible is not God but the living WORD IS TRULY GOD.His blood in not in the bible th written word but his blood is truly in the living word thats y he says you are made CLEAN by the WORD i have spoken unto you WHICH IS SPIRIT AND LIFE .
  • Michael for verse 4
    1/ What was the REAL date when Yashua (JESUS) was born?

    2/ Which rib did God take from Adam to make Eve?
  • Chris for verse 4
    I believe those questions can only be answered by Almighty God alone. Though my guess is, that when you do get to Heaven's gates, you'll have other things on your mind than dates & ribs.
  • Michael for verse 4
    Well I know the answers to those questions ... I wanted to see if you knew the answer ...


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