John Chapter 3 Discussion



 
  • Fredrick odiwuor abuor on John 3
    And said O Lord God of lsrael why is this came to pass in lsrael that there should be to day one tribe lacking in Israel
  • Fredrick odiwuor abuor on John 3
    And I appeared unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty but by my name JAHOAH was i not known to them
  • Fredrick odiwuor abuor on John 3
    I proclaim death peace and joy it will be We learn to capture the thought so that they don't land to sin Amen
  • Charley on John 3
    Begotten means deity jesus is god he had no beginning and no end

    rev 1-8 am the alpha and the omega the beginning and the ending

    saith the lord which is and which was and is which is to come

    the almighty. jesus is supreme, do you realize the corrupt niv

    esv remove begotten and yet preachers preach from these corrupt

    bibles, in whom we have redemption through his bloodeven the forgiveness

    of sins. the same bibles take the blood out and many more take it out

    these are just 2 there are countless others omitted , study to show thy

    self approved to god a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly

    dividing the word of truth. 2nd tim 2-15
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on John 3
    I am pretty sure what you are talking about is what Paul spoke of when He refered to us as being dead too sin. Found in faith yet our bodies are dead to sin. Romans 6:11

    11" Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord".

    More than half way through my journey, I have looked back as a child until now, and have seen the presence of the holy spirit . I would say this is the wind Jesus speaks of, when He is talking to Nicodemus. The wind of the holy spirit that even guided the Indians, who may have never been Baptized ,but knew of a Spirit!

    Soon they would learn where this Spirit came from, and where it would lead!

    The chief, the master, would soon know these things! Hearing the words from Christ himself, revealed through John 3;16.

    Jesus being from all eternity, with the Father in the garden, promising to send Him ,this same spirit we now speak of!

    "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." Repent and be Baptized
  • One Eighty - in Reply on John 3
    Jesse and Alex N.

    Amen. I agree.

    Food for thought: If I'm truly saved according to the Gospel, would it not manifest into myself being a completely forgiving child of God? If I'm honest with myself, I'm still dealing with forgiveness; of others, myself, and possibly even God (relationships). Even happenings and events. Personally, I take it upon myself as evidence of my salvation, along with doing unto others as I'd have them do unto me, loving my neighbor as myself. Sometimes I don't do so well.

    One way I see forgiveness is looking beyond one's mistakes from the beginning or before it happened. Thus the mistake doesn't appear as real to me. If I don't' forgive, have I truly received forgiveness for myself? Can an unforgiving heart enter the Kingdom?
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 3
    Thanks Jesse.

    That's a valuable piece of info one should remember when evangelizing.

    God bless.
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 3
    Jesse thats true, it takes more then just believing in him....He has to know us, ...Thats when that good seed is sown in our hearts....Thats y its so important that he knows us....They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin

    .....If he does not know us there is no seed sown in our hearts ...Thus no Child of PROMISE which is the H.G. the CHILD of PROMISE The Kingdom

    ......When Jesus was in Jerusalem many BELIEVED in him when they saw the miracles he did...But Jesus did not commit himself unto them b/c he knew what was in MAN and needed that not any should testify of man....Thats y he was saying you must be converted and become as a lil Child...Which is the Child of Promise the H.G...Our new birth... John 2 : 23 kjv

    .....The only way we can be bornagain is by his seed which is his WORD....As Peter says being bornagain if an incorruptible seed etc...Even by the words of God....The living word which is spirit and life....Thus he has to know us which is an intimacy that results in a birth of Christ in us.

    .....Thats the New Covenant...I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest....And thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains... Jeremiah 30 : 6 kjv

    This intimacy is the Knowledge that is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas....As he is gonna know all men... Isaiah 11 : 9..Kjv.....27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains.

    .....The Child is the H.G. that Child of Promise the Kingdom....Unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Thats y he has to know us....Just believing is not enought....Satan believes and is not saved...ok
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 3
    Bobby,

    I would like to use a verse that almost every believer probably has memorized, and it is John 3:16 which says, "For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth (in him) should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    But is that all it takes to have everlasting life, just to believe in Jesus? I would have to say no. Believing in Jesus is a must, but just believing alone cannot save a person.

    Here's something I would like to share about John 3:16, and other verses that use the word in. First of all, in John 3:16, the original text does not say whosoever believeth in Him. It says whosoever believeth into Him. It is the word EIS which means into, not in. This is very important because there is a difference between believing in and believing into Jesus.

    You see, a person can believe in Jesus but still not surrender their life to Him. Their belief will not save them. They must experience a Spiritual birth from above. They must receive Christ. They must transfer that belief in Him to a belief into him, meaning they must be born of His Spirit (Spiritual birth), them in Christ and Christ in them.

    When I read verses that say believe in Jesus, especially John 3:16, I already know that in the original text it says believe into, not believe in. And again, there is a difference. There are people who will say that all you have to do to be saved and have eternal life is believe in Jesus. But that is not true. Again, belief is important but will not save a person.

    The bible tells us in James 2:19 that even the demons believe in Jesus. They know who He is but they will never surrender their life to Him. They will never believe into Him.



    Just thought I'd share this!
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 3
    Bobby,

    I'll try to redo Part 4 as best as I can remember.

    So I ask myself, why does my sin matter in my relationship with God?

    I go to Romans 1:18

    "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men..." (NIV) Whoa!

    And in 2:8

    "..but to those whoa re self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness-indignation and wrath, tribulation and guish, on every soul that does evil..." (NIV)

    And 3:10 says:

    "As it is written:

    There is none righteous, no, not one...."

    and in 3:23

    "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

    And 6:23

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

    (All NIV, being the translation I have on hand at home.)

    So, this tells me that I am guilty and ungodly before God.

    Romans 6:6 tells me that "For when we were still without strength, in due time, Christ died for the ungodly."

    and Vs. 8 But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

    and Vs. 10 "For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."

    Ephesians 2:1 "And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sins...."

    Well, we all stand guilty and are all dead to God in our sins, and are enemies to God until we are reconciled to God by the death and resurrection of Jesus, through whom we are regenerated and made alive to God. So, I think, it is good to be alive to God and not good at all to be dead in sin. so, my sin matters to God in that it separates me from Him.

    So, I think, why would I want to be reconciled to Him, aside from avoiding being under his wrath and judgment? What is it about God that would make me consider turning to Him? In my sinful state, I would not want to turn to Him, but even then, the Holy Spirit works in me to turn me to God by grace! I am to believe that and act of the grace given to me
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 3
    HMM Bobby, it seems that part 4 is missing. don't know where it is. Well, it is what it is tonight. have a good sleep.
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 3
    Bobby, here is Part 3

    continued

    Jesus had a brain that thought and reasoned and controlled his human body.

    So this convinces me that Jesus indeed was both fully God and fully man.

    So then I ask, why did God become a man?

    In John 1:29, John the Baptist, upon seeing Jesus says, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

    And Jesus, Himself, says ( John 3:15-17) "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved."

    This tells me that Jesus became a man to take away the sin (all sin) of the world by being a "sacrificial lamb" and the one by which anyone can be saved from their sinfulness and the condemnation that comes with it by believing in Him.

    Therefore, since He is Truth, I believe that He is the only one who can save me from my sins.

    The Gospels tell me that Jesus told people that their sins are forgiven. Only God can forgive sins. So, if I want my sins forgiven, I must believe that they are forgiven by and through Jesus.

    The next question I ask is: If Jesus came to take away the sins of others, did He have sins to be forgiven?

    I must admit that God does not have any sin in Him, and if Jesus is God, He is without sin.

    I am also told that in 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (NIV)

    From this passage, I am told that Jesus never sinned, but to make us righteous before God, He became sin for us (in His death)

    Before this verse, Paul says in 1Corinthians 5:14- 15 that Jesus died for all.

    ...continued

    "He who knew no sin became sin
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 3
    Hello again Bobby

    Part 2

    Then we go to John 1:14-18 which tells us that the Word (spoken of in verse 1) "became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld

    His glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (NIV)

    This tells me that The Word spoken of in verse 1 is Jesus. This tells me that Jesus existed before He became flesh, being the Word of God and with God and is God.

    So here we have the Word becoming a human person but still being God. Whoa!

    But it says Jesus was full of grace and truth, so what is said about Him by John is to believed as true.

    So now I know why Jesus was unique and singularly special. Well, then I ask, "What did He do to show His deity?

    I read the accounts of His life and works in the Gospels and I find that He performed miracles that only God could do.

    I find that He had power of demons, which only God can have.

    I find that He expanded on the Law in the Sermon on the Mount that only God can legitimately claim to have authority to do.

    I find that He was one with the Father and if one has seen Him they have seen the Father, which is a claim to be God.

    I find that He was transfigured on the mountain with His disciples present to witness. Only God can have such glory.

    I find that He said He had the authority to lay down His own life and to take it back up again. Only God can raise someone from the dead, and He said that He would raise Himself from the dead.

    I find that He predicted His death and resurrection ahead of time and it happened just as He said, even being in the grave for three days before rising again.

    Then I ask, how do I know He was human as well as divine? Again I go to the Gospel accounts.

    He was conceived in the womb of Mary by the Holy Spirit, grew within her and was born as a baby. He had flesh, bones, and blood. He grew and matured, He ate, slept, got tired, was able to be injured, and die. He did all of the things that humans did and had a body made of matter, DNA. -continued
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 3
    Good afternoon, Bobby.

    You will probably get many responses that vary somewhat. That is o.k. I think there is a link of this site that is How To Become a Christian.

    Part 1

    For me, I have often tried to write down what it means to believe in Jesus and found that it has broad and deep meaning.

    Foremost, in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 gives the essence of what the gospel is:

    Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and He was buried, and that then He rose again on the third

    He was seen by Cephas (Peter), then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over 500 brethren at once...

    After that He was seen by James, the by all of the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also...

    In this passage, we are to believe that Jesus Christ did die for our sins, was buried, and rose again from the dead and was seen

    by many eyewitnesses alive after eyewitnesses saw him die and be buried.

    To believe this is to accept as fact and wholly true of Jesus Christ.

    But then, I ask myself, what is it about Jesus, (besides rising from the dead) that sets Him apart from any other spiritual leader in all of history?

    For that, I go to John 1:1-4

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. he was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life and the life was the light of men." (NIV)

    This verse tells me that Jesus was the eternal Word who existed with God and was in fact God. He existed before anything was creed with God and He is the Creator of all things. This also tells me that He was both God and with God, telling me that God is a Godhead, consisting of more than one person in one God. (I wish I knew what the Greek words used here for with God and was God so we can distinguish what two persons are being spoken of here in this verse.) But, when it comes to believing in Jesus, it does include this, that He is God. Whoa!

    continued to part 2
  • David - in Reply on John 3
    Bobby Read Romans 10:8-11 and do remember its not just hesaring that delivers us its doing what God instructs

    us to do.
  • Bobby on John 3
    What does it mean to believe in Jesus?
  • Dav47 - in Reply on John 3
    1Sa 31:12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.

    It is not sinful to cremate your body and is the cheapest way of burial as not to burden those left behind. Once we are done with these body's we are done never to return to them; so whatever form you wish to discard your fleshy body has no bearing on your heavenly one. Our flesh ages and gets sick but our spiritual last forever and is perfect, able to run and leap like a deer and last forever.

    2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 3
    Amos 2:1,
  • MAGGIE on John 3
    Is creamation of the body a sin in God's eyes?
  • Luke - in Reply on John 3
    " Begotten" means to give birth. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 3
    Chris,

    I understand your point. Thanks.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Very true GiGi & appreciated. Though I see it as taking the understanding of the "Word of God" to the next level, the tri-aspect of God's Being, i.e. learning more about this Word that was made flesh, as also seen in the Qur'an. If Mohammad (the OP) was moved to enquire further, if indeed his enquiry about the meaning of 'begotten' was leading him to query an 'impossibility' with God, then you & I could be constrained to share more with him. But I can't ascertain how far he wants to enter into this important matter - maybe just simply for the definition of 'begotten'. We shall see.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 3
    Hello Chris,

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

    Here it can be confusing to some, But it is distinguishing the Word as being with God (another person of the Godhead) and also that this Word (another person of the Godhead) was also God.
  • S Spencer. - in Reply on John 3
    Amen Brother Chris,
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Page 3.

    Jesus holds to His Oneness with God because He came forth out of God, to be a Man. Why? For the sole purpose, as you read in John 3:16,17, that He was 'begotten' so that "the World through Him might be saved". He willingly gave His Life as payment for our sins, so we won't suffer eternal torment in Hell. His Sacrifice pleased His Father & all who place their trust in Jesus alone will be accepted by God, because they have accepted God's offering for their sins. There's no other way to approach Almighty God or to be saved from our sins & eternal punishment - this was the one & only Plan of God - through His 'begotten Son'.

    I hope that your question has been answered Mohammad, & more importantly, that your spirit might be alerted to this wonderful Plan of Salvation that God has made & given to us, so that we might be called His children because of Jesus Christ, & one day be with Him for eternity.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Page 2.

    Even in the Bible we read the same in Luke 1:34,35: "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Thus the answer is learned: God gave His message through the angel; God's Spirit overshadowed Mary (or, placed within her womb) God's Holy Special Seed which was to be born into humanity; therefore, "He shall be called the Son of God". As al-Qur'an also states, 'this special Birth is humanity's sign & a revelation of God's Mercy to the world.'

    You asked, the meaning of 'begotten'. I hope you can now see what it means, by God's Action: it is not a normal human-type birth, but a 'one of its kind, unique birth from God placing His special Seed into the woman. What was this special Seed? The Bible tells us, that God took His Own Word & sent it forth into the world as a human being (you can read about it in John 1:1-14). Even in Surah 3:45: "Remember when the angels proclaimed, 'O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest to Allah." (This Word from God (kalimat'ullah: God's Word), His Name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary).
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Page 1.

    Hello Mohammad. Jesus Christ was speaking here when He said in John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Also verses 17 & 18 reference the 'Son of God'.

    The words 'only begotten' in the original Greek (the language used in writing the New Testament), is: 'monogenes'. It is important to quote the whole phrase ('only begotten') to understand the intent of Jesus' Speech. 'Monogenes' means, 'one and only, or one of its kind', 'unique'. Jesus always said this of Himself, even when the Jewish religious leaders challenged Him. He said, "I and my Father are one. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" ( John 10:30,33). The Jews knew what Jesus was saying & they rejected Him because they could only understand His Birth & Presence before them in human terms. For them, as most people, a baby born can only come from human male & female intercourse.

    But in God's Terms, He can bring forth whomever & whenever He wishes - He is God. God is not man to engage with a human female, so this 'monogenes' birth must be different, special. Even al-Qur'an states, when the angel approached Maryam with the message of a 'pure son', she became confused how this could possibly happen: "She wondered, 'how can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste'? He (the angel) replied, "So will it be! Your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.' It is a matter already decreed." (Surah 19:20,21).
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 3
    Hi Richard.

    Thanks for posting, you make some good points, but in reading your post you seem to be stating that Paul is preaching a different gospel than Jesus. Please correct me if I am interpreting your post wrong.

    I believe it is very important that we understand that Paul and Jesus preached the same Gospel. This is: The Gospel of the Kingdom.

    The gospel of the kingdom is the "Good News" that can be embraced by anyone who surrenders their life to Christ and begins to follow Jesus in their daily life.

    Jesus talks about the Gospel of the Kingdom throughout his ministry.

    Mark 1:15

    "And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."

    Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom.

    Acts 20:25

    "And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more."

    It is the "same gospel" yesterday, today, and tomorrow - forever!

    God Bless.
  • Monty - in Reply on John 3
    Begotten just mean bring about or give rise to, no if you mean the "only begotten" that means single of it's kind, or only member of a kin or kind. The tern is used to describe the relation of kids to their parents.

    Ex. If you have natural born kids they would be your begotten kids vs adoption because you brought them about,

    Ex 2 is that of Issac was the one begotten son of Abraham even though he had other natural son, Ismael and others but Issac was the only begotten is that God's covenant, was established only through Isaac, Abraham's only son by God's promise, as well as the only son of Sarah. So he was the only member of that kind.

    If u want to know about how Jesus is the only begotten son I'm happy to tell u
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 3
    Amen Richard. It's truth and It's throughout scripture.

    God bless.


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