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  • Fred andJoann Scanlan on John 3:4
    According to the church. All things that come out of it! There are way, way, too many interpretations. Since we live in a free nation we will be subject unto these . However ,Prior to the fall of Rome, mediately before and after, the word became the truest and most convincing. The Holy Spirit will always do the the work , we are remiss too do! God is merciful, and will finish the work that needs to be done! His ways are past understanding. Pray, I say Pray, that His will be done! We have a beautiful new church whos doors are closed? When can I see IT!
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on John 3:4
    To Fred and Joanne we will never stop private interpretation 2 Peter 1:20+21 because people choose to believe what they have been taught right or wrong or what they think it means, they aren't shown the bible is an eastern book and has eastern culture and thought in it or as long as it agrees with them their fine. All these things are an uphill battle that the apostle Paul new well most of his followers got to the point where they no longer believed he was a man called of God and walked away.
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on John 3:4
    God will make a way. He is merciful, and can do all things, we think impossible. My words , my faith like all believers will convince those who do not believe , of his salvation. This is why you and I must proclaim the name of Jesus! This is the reason we believe in Him. We are not saved by the letter of the law. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. Just believe on his name!
  • Ricky D Mentzer - in Reply on John 3:4
    Fred I'm totally convinced that when someone believes Romans 10:9+10 they get delivered.
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on John 3:4
    When Paul was struck down on the road to Damascus, He received the powerful mercy of God. This has happened to me, all my sins were ever before me, literally making me fall down before Him! I could not resist Him. So overwhelming power! Now , I have been given, what an apostle would need or ask for! What lies ahead I do not know, as always, waiting on Him!
  • Fred Scanlan on John 3:4
    There will be harmony! This is why we have the old testament! The same spirit of forgiveness found in the blood of Christ. The hope found in the promises to Abraham, to Isaac, Jacob, Are and will be the same hopes that will live in the heart and soul of GODS people! Heaven and earth ,what else would you say about it!
  • Debra Rogers on John 3:4
    Is it a sin to drink?
  • Rick Mentzer - in Reply on John 3:4
    No everything in balance.
  • Chrissy on John 3:4
    How to understand the Bible
  • M - in Reply on John 3:4
    Through focus and prayer, you can obtain understanding. Ask God to help you understand.
  • Sarah on John 3:8
    What I believe about salvation is this. It's like what my pastor said, which you can look him on YouTube or Facebook, Bryce Vandiver, unless you live in Granbury then go visit Bible Baptist Church in Granbury on Wednesday nights and Sunday morning s at 10 An Sunday school, 11 AM morning service and 2pm in the afternoons and 7pm on Wednesday nights, but it's like he said that we can not earn our way into heaven by our good works. I believe when I was a sinner that The Holy Spirit, God, or Jesus told me I wasn't saved and I believed I wasn't and came to Christ. Then, as a newborn baby in Him, I wanted to do everything Godly and righteous. I do believe there is no such thing as a second chance, but I do believe God gives us so many opportunities to accept His son and then there comes one last opportunity that He speaks to our hearts and we either take it or don't. I can say I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but it doesn't mean anything unless on purpose I act on faith by saying what I believe. The scriptures says It is by faith through grace we are saved. But it also says to be a doer and not hearer only. Now, we are not perfect because we are not God, but I believe we should try to make ammends with God and the people we have failed. And people we love fail us too. So let's forgive, forget, move ahead and remember God is judge.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3:8
    That was a great statement of Truth & your belief on salvation & the Christian life that you shared, & it certainly augers well for your Pastor Bryce in his clear ministry to each of you who meet there. And we can take confidence in the fact that its "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5). There was nothing, absolutely nothing, we could do to contribute to this great Work of Salvation gifted to us through Jesus Christ. It's all of Grace made effectual by faith: and this whole 'deal' (i.e. grace through faith) is God's Gift to us. We needed both from Him: His Grace & His Gift of Faith - nothing we could generate from our corrupt sinful selves - it's all from Him and all for Him.

    Walk confidently & in holiness, in the joy of your Lord, my dear sister.
  • Brooke on John 3
    Revelation 20: 13-15

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    And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Do people that were in hell still have a chance of being in the book of life?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    I understand that those who have rejected Christ now or died not having heard the Gospel are consigned to hell. And there is no second chance for anybody. Hebrews 9:27, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement". The decision we make in this life is the one & only opportunity we all have. It's a message many don't want to hear - but if we don't tell them, we have sealed their fate.
  • Robynn - in Reply on John 3
    This is a reply on Chris's comment about judgment & hell. But I'm going to comment on it in a series of questions that I believe many bible believing Christians should think and pray on.

    1) How much does God love people?

    2) Where did Jesus Spirit go during the three days His body was in the earth?

    3) Consider this: 1 Peter 3:18-20 NKJV "For Christ also suffer once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared..."

    4) Who were these spirits Jesus preached to and freed?

    Finally, I'll ask again, how much does God love people? I encourage everyone to think on this, and converse with the Holy Spirit.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Thank you Robynn for your comments/questions & if I may respond.

    1. Indeed, God's Love for all mankind is so immense & unfathomable that He continued to engage with us even when everything about us warranted our complete extermination. But that Love persisted as we read in Romans 5:8; 2 Peter 3:9.

    2, 3, 4. 1 Peter 3:18-20. The focus in this passage is on 'the Spirit'. The same Spirit that brought Jesus back alive from the dead was also by the same means (i.e. the Spirit) that Jesus went to the spirits held in prison.

    Now, this is the only passage we have on this visit by Jesus, though there are references to spirits in chains (Jude 6; Revelation 20:1-3). And I realize that many Christians attempt to place the event in 1 Peter 3, to Jesus' visit at the time of His death. It could well be but we cannot be certain of this as we are simply given very limited detail. And in the context of Peter's writing, this visit was not his focus. All we know is that Jesus did visit at some point & specifically to those who were disobedient in the days of Noah; when that took place is not revealed.

    And "how much does God love people?" As mentioned, His Love knows no bounds. But His pure Love equates to His pure Justice. And if we think that God's Love must also allow for sinners, whether they've come under the sound of the Gospel or not, to have a second chance to hear, repent & receive, then what is the point of preaching the Gospel now, why did the apostles & myriads of other faithful saints suffer brutally & horrible deaths, if there was a second opportunity for lost souls? "Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." - no second chances, no purgatory.
  • Robynn - in Reply on John 3
    Thanks Chris for your reply. I agree with you on what the scriptures state. I was not implying that there is in fact a purgatory or a second chance. No sir, the Bible does not state that. My comment was more along the line of deep thinking of things that make you go hmmm...in an effort to stir up the spiritual mind of our Christian family. That is why I advised to seek the Holy Spirit's input on the matter. I would never teach people will have a second chance at repentance if they reject the gospel here. Again, as you stated, there are things we are just uncertain about.

    I may have been out of line for making my statement on a public forum, I apologize. Please charge it to my head and not my heart.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Thanks for the clarification, Robynn. My last comment pertained to yours: "Who were these spirits Jesus preached to and freed?" I took this to mean that those spirits imprisoned had the Gospel preached to them & subsequently freed (whether by virtue of the message given them or the need for their response to it). I don't believe either took place. We generally assume that the Gospel was preached, but could it be something else? That is, the event may not have happened at Christ's death but at another occasion? That it wasn't the Gospel that came to them, but another announcement &/or pronouncement? That the caged spirits might still be in chains after Christ's Word to them?

    My fear is that so often we ascribe an understanding & teaching to a passage that gives us very little detail to properly form a correct understanding, whether we've heard a sermon or read a book about it. If something isn't clear, then it does take quite an effort to just leave the matter & say, "We just don't know".

    And no apology needed. You have every right to share your thoughts so that those who read them may also contemplate, assess & respond if necessary. Thank you for what you shared & the Lord bless you.
  • Izaiah hunter - in Reply on John 3
    does that mean that we do not have a second chance at forgivness
  • Joseph Perry - in Reply on John 3
    If you had experienced conversion and received the life-changing gift of the Holy Ghost, would you need a second chance?

    "I once was, but now I am." There is no 30 day "Free Trial" period.

    I am putting together a study on Matthew 5-7, the Sermon on the Mount. As I did a cut and paste I removed the verse numbers and am in the process of adding an outline to the text. Chapter numbers are retained.

    The addition of verse numbers has had a negative effect on learning the teachings of Jesus we are missing much when we are presenting a verse.
  • Pat - in Reply on John 3
    I don't believe God will condemn anyone to hell who has not heard about Jesus, who has not had the opportunity to choose
  • Chris - in Reply on John 3
    Pat, if I may direct you to Romans 2:12-16:

    "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

    Here we see the Apostle Paul's teaching on those who have sinned "in the Law" (i.e. the Jews who were given God's Law to abide by & to judge themselves as those who failed in keeping the Law perfectly), and those who 'perish' (note: not 'sinned', since sin is effected, accountable & punishable by God by the giving of a Law, Romans 3:20) without having received the Law.

    So to the Jew who remains under the burden of the Law & not in receipt of God's Grace in Christ, they will be judged by the Law, & they will fail, for none could ever keep the Law perfectly (Galatians 2:21b:"for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.").To the Gentile (non-Jew) who in days past never received or even heard of God's Laws & therefore never subject to its conditions, Paul says that these may not have the written Law in stone/parchment, but by nature perform the Law as written upon their hearts; it's now their conscience that accuses them of doing wrong or excuses their sins, that God sees & thus judges. Certainly not like getting God's Commands directly, but when both Jew & Gentile have to stand before God, the judgement meted to them will be based on the Law whether given directly or written in their hearts/consciences.

    And that's why the Gospel is so important: it is salvation to all.
  • Pat - in Reply on John 3
    Thank you for your response. I agree, the Jews that chose to reject our Savior have condemned themselves

    Luke being a medical doctor described a great divide. The way I interpret this, those that accepted Christ are on one side of this divide with Christ in Heaven and those that rejected him are on the other side waiting judgment along with those that have never heard waiting on their opportunity to hear and either accept or reject him. Remember when Christ was crucified he went to where those that hadn't heard about the plan of salvation, because it hadn't happened yet and they were still under the law and he witnessed to them giving them the opportunity to accept or reject salvation. I don't believe anyone gets a second chance but I do believe the Gospel teaches all will have the opportunity to accept or reject Salvation. God Bless !
  • Brooke on John 3
    Why does the Bible keep repeating to fear God? I've gone to church since I was a kid and am saved. Why does it say to fear him when I should Love him and look forward to going to Heaven to be with him?
  • Mr.Rabie - in Reply on John 3
    Reply to Robynn John 3

    Good day

    Romans 8:35-39 who shall seperate us from the Love of God. God is Love. Most people love with conditions, where God's love on unconditional. We even treat God that way ,if we don't get what we ask from God,He becomes none existant.

    Grace is love,Ephesians 2v8 we are saved by Grace through faith. We don't deserve this Grace,but gave it because of His incredible Love for us.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 3
    Hello Brooke,

    I like your question because it is the same thing I used to think. In my belief. Once you are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ and have a personal relationship with God there is no more need to fear Him. As pure love, for Him, will take over and your entire life with everything you do surrounds Him. In living your life after the foot steps of Christ. Living a life that makes God happy. After repentance from things of this world and living a life of Holiness, grace, and truth. Actually doing our best seriously to stay away from the sins of this world because that is what makes God happy.

    Another way to look at it is the Hebrew word "yirah" for "fear" can also mean "respect, reverence, or piety". Hopefully people won't take this the wrong way and that I don't think there should be fear of God. As one of the verses states, that Adam posted, how God is Almighty and can destroy the body and soul of the evil and wicked. Sometimes fear is what may drive people toward God. Of coarse you have to believe in Him first which is a big problem in this world today.

    So if you truly have an intimate relationship with God. There is no need to fear Him as love overcomes fear. Of coarse your respect and reverence for Him will be through your love. Living your life for Him. Your true love will shine to Him. Here's a couple verses you may like. God Bless you sister.

    Psalms 31:23

    Psalms 91

    Psalms 97:10

    Psalms 145:20

    Proverbs 8:7

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    Timothy 1:7

    2 Corinthians 7:1

    1 John 4:7-19. All of, 1 John is a good book on the love of God.
  • Adam - in Reply on John 3
    Hello, I believe these verses explain and provide the answer to your question:

    Matthew 10:28

    Luke 12:5

    Matthew 7:13-29

    Link
  • JD on John 3
    Will we know our love ones in heaven ?
  • MICHAEL KERR on John 3:14
    Personal vision : Sign of the Serpent in the sky 09/2040, possible Apocalypse then, not now (end of 2020).
  • Barry Cook on John 3
    Explain John Chapter 3 v 7 Thank you


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