John Chapter 3 Discussion Page 4



 
  • David Kanak - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    All you contribute to John 3:16 and my post is, "It's a great verse," and then you go off, and on to your topics.

    Again, God made it beautiful and simple enough for a child, or even an atheist to understand and be Saved.

    The religious can't grasp or appreciate the profound Beauty Simplicity and Completeness of the Gospel, and forever try to add their words and works.

    They can't accept what Jesus did and said on the cross that, "IT IS FINISHED...and that,

    GOD Saves us...When we BELIEVE...HE Gave us HIS SON Jesus...as a Sacrifice-to Cover our Sins....PERIOD!

    Many try to site other verses, but they are just supporting the details implicit to John 3:16.

    I have not been to church or read the bible in years, but I own ten and did read it about ten times. Actually, the bible, other than text books, is the only book I've read in the past 50 years, but I did compose a simple hymn called the BIBLE...along with others not so simple.

    I'd appreciate any Good and Godly comments about John 3:16. Thank you. :)
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Carol. I can't think of any specific Scripture to fit the situation you've shared, as the Bible speaks generally about those who are righteous & acceptable to God, whom God receives into Heaven (both adults & children).

    But if it helps, you can look at Matthew 18:1-10, where, in His discourse, Jesus spoke of little children & how we are to become like them; i.e. the innocence of children at that stage in life, whether or not they have been brought into the world legitimately or not. As you know, every person in the World is precious to God Who made us - and He has done everything possible to get His Word to us, so that we may know Him & be saved through His Son, Jesus' Sacrifice. So, the child who is innocent & without blame, even if its parents may have conceived him outside of lawful marriage, will still be acceptable to God (providing the child is still in the age of innocence). Once the child reaches the age (this age might vary) where it is conscious of sin, by planning to commit it, then the child is now accountable to God & needs to be saved - it needs to hear the Gospel & respond to it.

    So, I believe that all children, before the age of accountability, are accepted unequivocally by God, no matter what their family situation might be, or the country of birth, or even the religious position of its parents. Rather, it should be of grave concern to the parents if they are in a sinful relationship, that they should set things right before God & all concerned.
  • Brother dan - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    That should be Revelation 22:12-14

    12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    God Bless
  • Adam - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    That's a great verse, but others might believe Acts 2:38 or Mark 12:30-31 is actually the heart and soul of the Bible.

    You chose to put emphasis on belief which even satan and demons may believe. But other verse emphasize your actions such as repentance, confession, baptism, faith, love, or obeying God.

    A small percent of Christians believe it's impossible for them to ever lose their salvation, despite whatever future sins they choose to commit, but the Bible doesn't say that. We can have assurance of salvation IF we follow Jesus Christ. It assumes that Christians (Christ followers) are actually following Christ and obeying Him!

    This seems like a no-brainer, but should be stated, because there are indeed many Christians using their hope in salvation as an excuse to sin- as if they have an unlimited hall pass or something, ignoring the fact that sin is highly disrespectful to God, like spitting on Him, and assuming you know better than Him, and turning your back on Him. Think of a selfish and stubborn 4-year old throwing a tantrum in front of his parent.

    They're told they're saved in sermons and that the race is already won and so they go commit all kinds of sins and try to enjoy themselves as they turn their back on Jesus. Some may even blaspheme the holy spirit, which the Bible clearly says is an unforgivable sin. The Bible also says to fear God- fear the one who can send you to hell. God is a loving fair God, but some people falsely assume He's a genie in a lamp there to serve you. Nope, it's the opposite. You are the servant... to righteousness. Romans 6:18, John 14:15. I don't hear this message very often and feel it's my moral duty to remind of this and to try their best to genuinely follow Jesus and to stay on course and avoid sin. Some may need to hear this today and it might be a perspective they've never heard.

    2 Peter 2:20-21

    God bless. Jesus is coming soon. The time is now to be prepared.
  • Brother dan - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Not if we continue to live a life of sin.

    Even the devil and his demons believe. Are they going to heaven too?

    50 years after Jesus died he revealed the below scripture to apostle John.

    Revelation 12:12-14

    12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    Above is the Judge telling us what we will need to enter in through the gates of the city - Heaven!

    There is NO FREE TICKET!

    God Bless.
  • Carleton - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Thank you! A morning meditation. One beautiful thing that the one sinner on the cross beside the Lord did, was to establish his need for reconciliation with God, just as Jesus was near ready to finish by love, the Work of reconciliation. This thief in the world lined up his unrighteousness to the one beside him that new no sin and he judged himself as lost. He loved the Lord and wanted to be part of His finished work which is peace with God and man. Jesus answered this cry before the Work was finished and saved this man in his sins and promised His home in Paradise to the now saved sinner. This is another proof that Jesus was and is God as the Work was not yet finished. For those whom have come after this moment we can look back to this precious finished work at Calvary in awe. There is no excuse for any not to believe in Jesus as the only Savior of man and surrender their separated will from the Will of the Father and they will know that their sins were forgiven by a peace that is beyond understanding and a power to stay turned away from willing sin.
  • English Sacha - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Please do , we all come on hear to learn from each other , we don't all always agree but we are all on the same path I believe . God wants us all and He brings us together on here to help each other grow in understanding of appreciation of Him , His Son and each other , hopefully !
  • Dvaid Kanak on John 3 - 2 years ago
    I'm not a religious bible scholar, but Imo...The Gospel, John 3:16 is the heart and soul of the Bible, and God made it simple enough for a child or atheist to understand and be saved.

    John 3:16 For (God) so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

    GOD Saves us-When we BELIEVE-HE Gave us-HIS SON Jesus-as a Sacrifice-to cover our sins....PERIOD!

    Imo, the church wastes time and souls by trying to help God save the lost, by adding their religious words and opinions on how to be saved, which lead to confusion and division.

    The only Repenting needed is to Repent of our Unbelief in the Gospel. The man on the cross only said, remember me when you get into your Kingdom, Believing Jesus as his Savior.

    Sorry it's getting late, but I'd be glad to share many other Godly thoughts if you'd like. :)
  • Fred - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Embalming was not something done during those times. People used spices to repel the smell of death in a corpse! Do you remember Mary when she poured this fragrance over Christ, getting him ready for His death! How Judas spoke against it, that the spices should have been given to the poor! This fragrance fragrance would be a sign of life everlasting! If and when you smell that fragrance, look up, for Christ will be coming for you! When the Father in heaven reveals these things unto you, you will say "My Lord and my God". In all the world and time of times , we are going to see the return of Christ! Satan will do everything in His power to deceive the world, Even as He does now!
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Dianne,

    All three of your responses made it through and I have read them all. Thank you for the kind and encouraging words. Your love for the Lord and His word are also quite evident in the things that you share. Thanks again for your kindness, and keep running the race that is set before you. God Bless!
  • Dianne - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Jesse thanks for the correction and your humility and meekness in delivery, I don't need to see you I read you and understand your heart for God and His Word' Thanks and God Bless P.S. This is 3rd Time Prayerfully one will get through
  • Dianne - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    I have tremendous respect and love for your knowledge and heart for Gods Word. That is displayed in your graceful communication, so when I make mistakes I have much more respect for believers who don't judge but with agapeo love instruct. So thank you. Love in Christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dianne,

    Are you sure that it was Nicodemus who begged for the body of Jesus, or was it Joseph of Arimathea?

    Also, something I would like to share with you from my studies, for whatever it might be worth. The Jews did not embalm back then. What they would do is they would put various ointments and spices (fragrant spices) on a dead body to keep the odor down as the body decomposed. They would put this fragrant spice on the body, wrap the body some, add more spice, and then finish wrapping.

    Thought you might find this interesting!
  • Dianne - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Thanks I meant to say according to Luke 23:55+56 they brought spices an ointments, thanhs or terminology correction.
  • Cynthia - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Jesus was not embalmed
  • Dianne - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Ted The bible doesn't say but I'd like to believe he was because He begged for the body and put it in a fresh tomb. Also when you work Gods word closely He just wrapped in cloth others came by later and embalmed Him so that's an indication He believed he was going to raise from the dead, whats really interesting is all the disciples walked away and one betrayed Him all scattered. When it comes to the Gospels you have to be very careful sequence of events.
  • Ted on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Was Nicodemus ever saved . Regards Ted
  • Sacha - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Elijah , every time you read your Bible you are hearing God's voice to you , you personally , specifically , He is looking at and listening to you always , He gave us the Bible for the purpose of bringing us closer to Him , He wants you in His Kingdom , keep reading and you will feel His love more and more .
  • Eliyah on John 3 - 2 years ago
    i never seen nor heard God....no vision or dream to confirm it was Him....no feeling or expirience to be absolutely sure it was Him ,but solely by scripture do i know the God of Abraham n Moses n Jesus......u may think thats not enough for u to believe Him but it has kept me from many lies as it is the foundation of belief:scriptures.....may the rewards of ur kindness follow u in goodness n may u love like God loves.....
  • Chuck - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Thanks for letting me know about this and like you i believe jesus spoke all the way to 21 as well !!!!!! god bless you an thanks again!!!!
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hi Chuck. Do you remember which Bible version that your Sunday School teacher was using at the time; or which one you & the other kids were using? I think the problem stems from how the translators view this portion of Scripture. So your teacher could have told you that all of John 3:16-21 were not Jesus' Words but John's own words - that Jesus' Words ended at verse 15. My guess is that he/she was using one of these versions: the NIV, NET or GNT Bibles; & there could be others too that could be added to that list which show that the Lord's Words ended at verse 15.

    However, most translators believe & have included quotation marks all the way from John 3:10-21, believing that this was a complete discourse given to Nicodemus by Jesus only. I believe this to be correct, as the Gospels were written by these four men as they recalled Jesus' Words, travels, encounters with other people, etc., & not to give their own understanding/impressions of spiritual Truth. When we go to the Epistles (e.g. 1, 2, 3 John), then we begin to see their personal teaching to believers based on their own experiences with Jesus, what they learnt from Him & the direction of the indwelling Holy Spirit to pen these letters.

    So brother, even though the KJV, & a few others, don't use quotation marks (according to their absence in the original texts), I believe that if they did, then they would include the whole passage from John 3:10-21 as Jesus' Words to Nicodemus. I hope this helps you.
  • Chuck - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    As i have read the ot an new !!!!! it came to me jesus spoke an said that that only 2 law's were needed.to fulfill all!!!!!! 1st love god with all your heart might an soul!!!!! 2nd love your neighbor as yourself !!!!!!! why's this important because reading into the ot that god got very angry with the israeli people when they fell away or disornored god or forgot to giving thanks an remembering god 1st !!!!!!!! because as soon as a profit reminded israel of there sinfulness an to asking for god's great gracious forgiveness an supernatural love by honoring god's 1st commandments because even one statement in the law's giving in more details says for i am a jellous god !!!!! god's love for the world is so great that he sent his only son so that through him the whole world maybe saved!!!!!! an the cost was so much an great that god's remind us he is 1st not money as we found after 911 the country and even ny city treatment of there fellow neighbor an the whole country came to relationship with each other an god !!!! which sometimes something so terrible happened an something so good from our past selfishness stopped an we were looking to helping others after such a tragic event!!!!! as like jesus suffering an died was tragic but through him forgiveness to all whom ask an believe in him !!!!! for jesus overcome,sin, death an punishment for the whole world !!!!!! an the bible even stated that god's love is so great that he doesn't want to lose anyone !!!!! just as jesus spoke the good shepherd leaving 99 that are safe an looking for the ones lost !!!!!!!! in god we trust an should ask forgiveness an then honor him with praise !!!!!!! and as stated that if we as a people confess our sinfulness and our evil ways an in asking for his help in turning back from our evil ways an asking for his great forgiveness an mercy he will hear our prayers frm heaven an heal our land an not only our land but our whole people as well !!!!!! in the great name of jesus our lord amen !!!!!!!!
  • Chuck on John 3 - 2 years ago
    As i read the whole chapter 3. i wanted to know if this is correct that jesus spoke directly in verses 3,5-8,10-12 because really i think i was told by a sunday school class teacher when i was alot younger that parts of 3:16 was john's interpretation an not sure that jesus spoke this great verses

    3:15-21!!!!! as i read it today i feel like jesus spoke allot about this an that john's chapter 3 remembered about all that because the helper the holy gost brought all this back to his reminded as well as nicodemus whom i would surely think meet with some if not all of the disciples after the resurrection of jesus christ our lord an discuss with them events as john was the disciple whom it stated jesus loved

    !!!!!!!
  • Shawn on John 3 - 2 years ago
    In john 3 : 31 he makes it sound like the above realm

    Get to interpret the heavenly realm intentions for our earthly realm

    If that's the case then

    Can not covid be looked at as a sign and wonder sent by God

    2thess 2 : 11

    Even the watcher missed
  • Dianne on John 3:13 - 2 years ago
    Explain in detail John 3:16
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Mary. If you're looking for what we term as the "Lord's Prayer", then you can find it in Matthew 6:9-13.

    Please note, that this was a special prayer that Jesus taught His disciples ( Luke 11:1) because at that time Jewish Rabbis often gave their followers a special prayer or recitation as a part of their instructions & disciplines. We can use the Lord's Prayer very meaningfully today also, but shouldn't restrict ourselves only to those words, as our Heavenly Father wants to hear our prayers as the expression from our hearts (filled with praise, thanksgiving, & requests), given in faith.
  • Mary stanley on John 3 - 2 years ago
    The lord pray where it at in the bible
  • Kate - In Reply on John 3:1 - 2 years ago
    Yes!! There was one time when I was just talking with Jesus, I asked Him to hold my hand. So I hold out my hand and asked Him to heal me of sickness and to wash my sins away, and I'm not lying when I tell you that after that I suddenly cried heavily for no reason. It was as if tears came out of me out of the blue. For me it was Jesus's hand who held me! Although I didn't feel Him physically, I definitely felt Him emotionally. It was a great experience for me!
  • Christy on John 3:1 - 2 years ago
    With that comment I feel the need to say that I had the holy spirit before I was baptized. It was the reason I was baptized in the first place... I had always been raised Baptist so i didn't want to be wrong and be baptized. One day I was thinking hard about being baptized and talking with lord as I always have. I realized I must have always had him with me and was looking for more to prove it. When here I was talking with him and knew it made me feel like a bright light. Honestly every time I talk to the lord I can feel him here. It's as if I have a bright light in my soul and the more I talk the brighter it gets. The feeling is as if you could float away! Instantly I remembered one of my favorite song as a child which was this Little light of mine.. Guys in that very moment I understood it all!! It's amazing how good and powerful our lord is! He is sooooo good all the time. I have always been blessed with being raised in a Christian family. He was always there and I had always known him. I just didn't know that everyone wasn't raised that way. So plz just sit and talk with our savior and discover your light! Because it's the most amazing relationship and we all should have that experience! Let it shine SO bright! He is the light and the way! So open your heart!
  • Mike on John 3:13 - 2 years ago
    How can we find the fulfillment of an OT verse marked with white star, and black star fulfillment in NT?


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