John Chapter 20 Discussion



 
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 20
    Naseem gbu but you do greatly err... John 5 :23 ....Jesus said that all men should honor the SON even as they honor the Father he that honoreth not the SON honoreth not the Father that has sent him.

    .....When he bringeth the 1 st begotton into the world God instructs all angels to worhip him...God himself wd be braking the 1st commandment if he instructed all the angels to worship his son if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 6

    ......But unto the SON he says Thy THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER.. Hebrews 1 : 8....A sceptre of righteousness is the Sceptre of THY KINGDOM...Unto the SON he says

    .......Naseem but the way we know without a doubt that Jesus IS truly God is b/c of his seed the WORD....He says to whom the WORD CAME ( HIS SEED ) IT MADE THEM GODS and the scripture cannot be broken....Don'cha see that he is able to propagate, reproduce after the God kind... Matthew 13 :37 KJV ...Jesus said he that soweth the GOOD SEED is the Son of man.

    .....And also John 17 : 5 ....Jesus prayed Father Glorify thou me with thine own self.....EVEN WITH THE GLORY I HAD WITH YOU B/F THE WORLD WAS....He was spirit b/f he was flesh....He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world humanity.....Thats y he said b/f Abraham was i am.....He always existed and was with God as the living WORD.... John 1

    .....Naseem when he breathe on them he was propagating very God with his breath which was his words his seeds....Remember what God said everything has to multiply after its KIND...According to his seed...The Child that they birth was the H.G. THAT Child of PROMISE....Emanuel....His seed is the very seed of God....Spirits can be born in us by his seed ...Thats y he is saying to whom the word came it made them Gods....And that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit.
  • Suze - in Reply on John 20
    Thank you Gigi , I also respect your beliefs .
  • David - in Reply on John 20
    John 20 Sir just a few scripture on subject matter, Jesus christ stated I can do nothing without my father, also when casting

    out devils or when he dealt with satan he was never called God but what have we to do with thee thou Son of the most high

    God. also many times after healing people they said praising God for giving such power to men. Also other points only God knows when Christ will return and when the apostles ask for a seat in heaven jesus christ said it is not for me to give. Also when he

    ask peter who do people say that I am peter said thou are the Christ the son of God then jesus christ said my father has shown you this. i don't argue this subject matter and not expecting and don't want a response. Just sharing scripture. Last but not least

    in Luke 1:31-34 twice the announcment is Son of the Highest gabriel speaking.
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 20
    Suze, I think Adam has done a good job of where in Scripture Jesus accepts worship.

    I do not believe that any created being can "become" god. Jesus, the Son of God is the Creator of all, nothing was created that He did not create. He was not created. This is classic Christian doctrine. But I can see that you do not hold to this belief. I rspect that you do not want to discuss this further with me. So be it.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 20
    Thank you Adam for these verses.
  • Suze - in Reply on John 20
    Thank you Adam , I have no problem obeying Jesus , he is my Redeemer and the Son of God , he spoke the words that God gave him to speak and God has given him all power and authority .
  • Adam - in Reply on John 20
    Hi Suze, John 1:1 tells us that Jesus is God and other verses say He created all things.

    Verses of Jesus accepting worship:

    John 20:28

    Matthew 28:8-9

    Mark 16:1

    Matthew 2:11

    Matthew 21:9

    John 12:13

    We are also to obey Jesus:

    John 8:31

    John 14:15

    John 14:21-24

    John 15:10-14

    1 John 2:3
  • Adam - in Reply on John 20
    Hello, John chapter 1 explains and answers all these questions:

    John 1:14-15 reveals that Jesus is called the "Word."

    John 1:1 says "Word was with God, and the Word was God." this means that Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.

    John 1:3 says "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." This means that all things were made by Jesus, and without Jesus nothing was made.

    The common misunderstanding is that Jesus temporarily came to earth and while fully God, became fully man and appeared to allow Himself to be limited as a man. So, most people analyze His behavior as a temporary man and draw assumptions from it: like how can He pray to Himself? etc.

    John 1:9-10 - talks about Jesus, also called the "Light" coming to earth.

    Philippians 2:6-7 - to me this means that Jesus wasn't concerned about His power being lessor or limited as a temporary man.

    Luke 2:52 - Jesus put Himself in a position of a man to grow in wisdom and maturity.

    So, all of your quotes are while Jesus was in a temporary limited state as a man on earth.

    You wrote: "Inconceivable if he is God the Creator." It's not inconceivable because the Bible literally says Jesus created everything in John 1:3.

    If this isn't convincing enough there are more verses saying the same thing:

    Colossians 1:15-17

    Hebrews 1:2

    1 Corinthians 8:6

    Jesus literally created you!
  • Suze - in Reply on John 20
    I do not worship Jesus , I worship God , please point out where Jesus accepted worship . Jesus is now definately devine as he has been transfigured . I do not intend to get into a big debate about this with you or anyone else , please don't be offended , and please tell me where Jesus accepted worship , thank you .
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 20
    So, Suze

    You seem to be telling us that you deny the divinity of Jesus. Do you worship Jesus? If so, why, if He is not God. If not, then why did He accept worship?
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on John 20
    Hello Naseem,

    Scripture tells us the unclean spirits/devils knew He was the Son of God, Matt. 8:29 Mark 3:11 Luke 8:27-28. Scripture tells us Jesus is the Son of God the only begotten of the Father, John 1:14. Scripture tells us Jesus the Son of God was before this world John 17:5 2 Timothy 1:9. Scripture tells us Jesus the Son of God was the beginning of creation Rev. 3:1. Scripture tells us everything was created through Him Col. 1:16.

    Scripture tells us to confess Jesus is the Son of God, 1 John 4:15. Scripture tells us God gave His only begotten Son, John 3:16. Scripture tells us to believe God gave His only begotten Son, 1 John 5:10. Scripture tells us God was made known in the flesh through His only begotten Son same as creation was through His Son 1 Timothy 3:16 Col. 1:16.

    Scripture tells us we have salvation and eternal life only in Jesus Christ, John 3:36 Acts 4:12 Eph. 4:12 1 Thess. 5:9 1 John 5:13 Scripture tells us we can only come to the Father through Jesus, John 14:6 1 Timothy 2:5.

    Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets and died for our sins, and the only way that could be done is in the flesh, the seed of Abraham, Hebrews 2. He experienced temptation the same as you and me, Luke 4:2 Heb 2:18, He had a brain and a will, Luke 22:42 but He was obedient to the Father. We now have a high priest in heaven that lived in this flesh just like us, Hebrews 4:14-16.

    Salvation and eternal life only by the grace of God through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ's perfect life in the flesh, His blood shed for us, and His resurrection. We cannot deny the divinity of Jesus, the only begotten Son of God that was before this world, but no creed, doctrine, or statement of faith can be placed above or added to that we must believe to receive salvation and eternal life if scripture does not tell us we must believe. Truth is in the simplicity that is in Christ.

    I love this site and the brothers and sisters on it.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Suze - in Reply on John 20
    Hi Naseem , I believe that Jesus was filled with God's Holy Spirit without measure , to me , this does not make Jesus God but it does make him a vessel of God's Holy Spirit more than any other person who has had the Spirit of God in them , lots of people have had a measure of God's Holy Spirit , we read this all through the Bible , Jesus was filled to the brim , no one else was . Therefore Jesus is the embodiment , as much as any human could ever be , of God . To me , the Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God , it is His , it is awesome and pure , very different from our human nature . I hope I have explained myself ok . I know that lots of people on here are going to give you a very different answer , my advice ? Read , then re read then re read again , the whole Bible and make your own mind up . Good hunting .
  • The Godhead Scriptures - in Reply on John 20
    The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20*

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

    Genesis 1:1

    The Father purposes

    The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

    The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

    All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

    Matthew 1:23

    Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

    {Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    [ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

    Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first.

    Mishael
  • Bro dan - in Reply on John 20
    Naseem,

    May these verses help to shine some light for you to understand that Jesus is in fact God.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

    John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Here Jesus is speaking to the Apostle John in Revelation 22:13

    "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

    There are three (3) entities in the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Many people struggle with trying to understand this unique and very special relationship.

    GB you
  • Naseem Ahmad Dar on John 20
    John 20.29 This particular verse reaffirms the belief that Blessed are those who believe in an unseen God.

    Lord does not mean God. If Thomas said that to Jesus in the previous verse, it should be taken in metaphorical sense and not actual. I cannot accept Jesus as Son of God nor God for the following reason .1. Matthew 24:36

    No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

    Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

    2. Matthew 26:39

    My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.

    Jesus' will is likewise autonomous from God's Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God's will.

    3. John 5:26

    For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

    Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

    4. John 5:30

    By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

    Jesus says, "by myself, I can do nothing." This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to "please myself" but rather is seeking to "please the one who sent me."

    5. John 5:19

    The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.

    Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

    7. John 14:28

    The Father is greater than I.

    This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

    8. Matthew 6:9

    Our Father, which art in Heaven.

    He didn't pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!"

    9. Matthew 27:46

    My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

    Space does not permit to write more.
  • Perry - in Reply on John 20
    If there is no "j" sound in the Hebrew alphabet how can they translate Yahweh Jehovah?

    Neither is there a "j" sound in greek? So how does Yeshua get translated Jesus ?
  • Mishael - in Reply on John 20
    She had other children too. On the cross, Jesus said "John, behold your mother."

    She wasn't alone.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 20
    John 19:26-27,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • Ryan Kindel on John 20
    What happen to Mary the mother of Jesus after the Ascension ?
  • Charles Robert Northup - in Reply on John 20
    That would appear to be the case and I never notice this before and I've read God's word for over 45 years. I always took as he was transforming or changing from flesh to spirit but after Thomas touched him he said can a man touch spirit.

    1 Corinthians 15:52

    "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

    King James Version (KJV) this is the verse that came to my mind maybe Jesus was I also found this verse

    Revelation 12:5

    "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."

    King James Version (KJV) You have some studying to do on this question
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on John 20
    Hey Beth,

    This day most Christians celebrate as Easter, resurrection day. This day, the first day after the Sabbath following Passover day was the Feast of Firstfruits, Leviticus 23:9-14. This feast is for the first harvest, the priest must wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted before any of the first harvest could be eaten.

    Mary came before sunrise and Jesus appeared to her first, she went to touch Him and He told her "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father". Jesus is the Firstfruits of those who slept, and as the priest had to wave the sheaf over the alter before the LORD to be accepted, Jesus had to ascend to His Father to be accepted to fulfill the Feast of Firstfruits before He could be touched.

    Just think, sunrise, on the morning of the Feast of First Fruits, the priest waving the sheaf of grain before the altar, and the other women arriving at the Lord's tomb, the same time Jesus ascended. The angel told the women to go tell the disciples to go to Galilee, and on their way, He returned and appeared to them, then they could touch Him, Matthew 28:5-10 but Mary could not because He had not yet ascended, same as the sheaf had to be waved before the LORD and accepted before they could eat of the first harvest.

    From the beginning of Jesus time on earth the disciples thought He was going to set up the kingdom then, and just before He ascended, they asked Jesus if he at that time was going to set up the kingdom, Acts 1:6. My understanding of scripture after Jesus returned He was hear forty days teaching the apostles, Acts 1:1-5 before His ascension in Acts 1:9. He told them to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the promise of the baptizing of the Holy Ghost, this the second harvest (Pentecost).

    He is now sitting at the right hand of the Father, the only mediator between us and God 1Timothy 2:5. He will be coming back as He left Matthew 24:30, to set up the kingdom on earth.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Gigi - in Reply on John 20
    Beth

    From reading the gospel accounts post resurrection Jesus appeared now and then go His disciples, but it does not seems like He stayed on earth and resided at length between the resurrection and the Ascension . When He was talking with Mary He had arisen but had not gone to the Father in heaven yet. It seems that He went into heaven shortly after meeting with Mary, but this was not the Ascension. (Which happened 40 days after He arose from the dead). So He was in heaven with the Father and Holy Spirit most of the time between His resurrection and Ascension (the 40 day period).

    Perhaps when He met Mary He did not have His incorruptible body yet and needed the Father to take Him to heaven to receive it.

    But others may have different ideas about this.

    Thanks for asking. It makes us think more deeply about this matter.
  • Beth Lloyd on John 20
    John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary not to hold on ,

    He has not ascended, verse 27 he tells

    Thomas to touch his side.

    Did he ascend in between these verses?

    Or was he on earth 40 days before ascension ?
  • Ed - in Reply on John 20
    Dear Chris M, It is hard to know exactly what you are referring to, without knowing to what you speak. Unless these fond memories of yours consist of sinful pleasure, or things contrary to scripture I see no need to "reject" them. It may be, that through God's providential leading, that these lead you to Him. The Bible speaks to the goodness of God that leadeth us to repentance. I would also remind you however, that Satan can present himself as an "angel of light." Some memories can cause you to stumble. I'll give you an example, lets say one of those fond memories was having a wonderful time with a relative on a fishing trip. No problem, if say you consider a fond memory as "out drinking someone" at the local pub, and being the record holder, then I'd say "get rid of it." Make new memories preaching repentance and point others to Christ at that pub! Paul covered this in Phil 4, some great "do's and what to think upon." So many times did the writers of the New testament say "remember." "Stir up our remembrance..." remember and follow my example, Paul said. Paul also said "forgetting those things behind, I press toward toward the mark...Some memories are not bad, but not best compared to service for our Lord. "I would encourage you do a word study on "remember." Ask God to lead you and he will. Then, as you grow in grace, you will know. Being a Christian is a journey.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply on John 20
    Precious brother Chris m, you are Very Welcome! Please be Richly Encouraged as you take your time "Growing In GRACE." Yes, as one who is like you, "reading things 10 times to Get it," I can vouch that "studying HIS Word, and serving The LORD" is well worth the effort. And our 'Patient' God Does Also:

    "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of The LORD, forasmuch as ye know that 'your labour is not in vain' in The LORD." ( 1 Co 15:58)

    +

    There will be "reward At Judgment Day!" ( 1 Corinthians 3:6-15; 1 Co 3:14)
  • Chris m - in Reply on John 20
    Thanks so much for your comment. My family are not atheist but I didn't grow up in church. Due to my Aunt who's whole family is very religious (my dad's sister) constantly trying to get him to go to her church. So much that it drove him away from religion, so my mom didn't take my brothers and me to church at all. However, I feel like finding Jesus means so much more to me than my cousins who were dragged to church their whole lives, because I didn't have Jesus forced on me, I need and want Jesus in my life. It's a shame that it's taken 55 years to realize how wrong I was and how wrong my dad was also. I recently saw my Aunt and told her how wrong my dad was all those years. It made me feel better and I think it made her feel better to know I had finally found the narrow path to God. I feel like I can never ever repay Jesus for what he has done for me and I express that when I pray. Thanks again for your kind words, and I hope God blesses you every day of your life.
  • Chris m - in Reply on John 20
    Thanks for taking the time to reach out to me. I will try reading your suggestions. I have read the 4 Gospels and am currently working my way through Acts (Which is not as easy to read for me as the Gospel's) I do not read fast and have to re-read sections alot to make sure I understand what they mean or look up definitions of words which sometimes gets me sidetracked, but I take my time because its worth the trouble. Thank you again, Bless you!
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - in Reply on John 20
    Precious brother Chris, a Very Warm Welcome to the family Of God!

    If I may suggest Bible reading to get you Growing In GRACE, in addition to your "praying" = Ephesians, and then Romans - Philemon, Which Are God's GRACE/PEACE Love Letters Directly TO us Today, For: Consolation, Comfort, Edification, Enjoyment, Encouragement, And spiritual Building Up Of All The BLOOD-Washed "members ( saints!" ) In The Body Of CHRIST!, HIS Church, Seated In Heaven! Amen?

    And after these, maybe this "study" suggestion, for further "Growth In GRACE":

    Link

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

    And, Again, a Very WARM Welcome!! See you in God's Great GloryLand!!! :)
  • English Sacha - in Reply on John 20
    Hi Chris M , you don't have to give up your memories . The events and people that you have experienced and known have helped to make you you ! I wasn't brought up with religion so most of my family and friends were atheist and I gave them and received from them , love and fun and good happy times , ' all things work together for good to them that love God ' . It's so true , so many people , atheist , have been kind to me and helped me through my life , I now know that all these kindnesses that I received I received from God . God has always been in your life , working through your experiences and the people around you to bring you to Him . Of course once you know the Truth your priorities and outlook on life change a bit for sure , but you are still you and it's you that God loves , has always loved , and He has used the correct ways and means and life experiences and people to bring you to Him . You are an individual and God knows you better than you do and He has brought you safely through your life and taught you a million different lessons on the way , using the people around you . When I was a child my parents taught me some horrible things , but these things helped me in latter life and for sure helped me to get on the path I'm on now , which is hopefully the path to the Kingdom of God . God is always at work , everywhere . Trust in Him and rejoice in the fact that He has brought you closer to Him in the perfect way that He knew how to .
  • Chris m on John 20
    Recently became compelled to come to christ at the age of 55, asked Jesus to save me some years ago but didn't take time to read and develop a true relationship with him. For some reason which I have no clue I've recently been taken over with the desire to read and follow everything i can get hold of about Jesus and have been praying several times a day. Although I know I have to walk away from the world and it's ways, I am saddened and struggling because I have a lot of good memories mixed in with all the 55 years of living in the world and need to know how I can turn my back on all the fond memories even though Jesus expects it. Please help this old Reborn Sinner , Thanks


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