John Chapter 2 Discussion



 
  • Eric Lopez on John 2:19
    Last 2 verses are great. Relates to thou shall not tempt God as when Jesus told Satan dont you think?
  • English Sacha - in Reply on John 2:19
    Keep reading Eric , all will become clear to you .
  • Pat jones on John 2:19
    I Lost

    today's bible verse and inspiration and prayer on my phone
  • Carol Mardis on John 2
    Where it says v.14 that Christ drove out the buyers and sellers from the temple , my understanding is that there should be no buying or selling within the church . Not even religious items , is this correct ?
  • Church Book Tables or Lending Libraries - in Reply on John 2
    If you ask any Pastor, only about 20% of the congregation are tithing. It's hard for me to find Christian bookstores where I live, so I don't mind perusing through books and pamphlets on my way to the parking lot. I may buy some that are good handouts for impromptu evangelistic opportunities that come up.

    If we're praying to the Lord of the Harvest, to send workers into the harvest; sometimes that's us :D One of my attention grabbers is "Whatcha Got?" I know, it's lame but my face is funny.
  • Anthony on John 2
    Hello

    I have a question about bible versions? why do we have many bible versions and in most cases some verses are omitted in other versions? Which exactly is the original and most accurate version of the bible?
  • His Grace is Free hintCross on John 2
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4

    "[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

    Not works of ours are involved, Be sure to always look a scripture carefully and having the Holy Spirit help you

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    "[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
  • Bob on John 2
    God existed before the world and is the father of all .

    Any one doubt that ?

    Jesus being born of God ( as well as a women ) anyone doubt that ?

    Jesus being of God ( the son of God ) automatically makes him before the world existed because God is .

    It's a no brainer unless you think Jesus is just a man like a prophet .

    Peter said Jesus was the son of the living God and the Christ for told in scriptures.

    All this trinity doctrine is just mans attempt to explain God .

    And it's still just mans doctrine not found in the Bible but formed hundreds of years later .
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE.

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.

    Do you believe these Scriptures? As I could put more titles that both Jesus Christ and LORD(from the OT) share if you'd like.

    There is no trinity "doctrine". That is what is in the Holy Bible. Trinity is just a word of tri/three + unity= trinity. Jesus Christ is ONE with God the Father and so is the Holy Ghost.

    And in those days, the Chosen One will sit on his Throne, and all the Secrets of Wisdom will flow out from the council of His mouth, for the Lord of Spirits has appointed Him and glorified Him.

    So as you are a man are you trying to explain God yourself? All we do is read the Scriptures.
  • Bob - in Reply on John 2
    I and my father are one , that's a relationship.

    Do you know what a relationship is ?

    Husband and wife are one .

    So it's starts falling apart for you right at the start .

    Can you prove that the father and son are not a relationship?
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    Hi Bob,

    Obviously you took my post incorrectly. I'll try using Scriptures again.

    I never said Christ and the Father was not a relationship. You brought this up. I never said Christ is the Father or the Father is Christ as it seems you took it. I know it's a Father Son relationship. Again John 10:30, John 14:11, John 17:21. Revelation 3:21. For a couple.

    Some say the Father being in Christ means He left Heaven. God spoke from Heaven several times proving that false. Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5, John 12:28.

    Here are a couple stating the Spirit of Truth or Holy Ghost as He/Him: John 14:17, John 14:26. Putting the three in ONE as in 1 John 5:7.

    As I've been trying to answer your questions though you seemed to have veered from mine. No one knows the depths and ways of God. He can do anything He wants. Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 55:8-9. Just like giving all His power and authority to His Son so we honor Him just as we honor the Father. Matthew 28:18, John 5:22-23. Not knowing your beliefs on this but no one can say Christ did not exist before He was born here. Christ Himself stated this and there are other Scriptures that back this up also. John 17:4-5. All I do is use the Scriptures. I have no private interpretation as that is not what the Scriptures are for. 2 Peter 1:20.

    Nothing is falling apart for me. I've given you many Scriptural verses as I have not seen one from you. Also I really don't even know your motive for making the first post the other night. The reason I made the reply is because you said something about a "man made trinity doctrine". Which I showed you is not man made it's Biblical.

    Still not getting into how many titles the Father and Son share. Not knowing if it would make any difference to you.

    I'm not here to argue and don't take my post that way please. You may have your own view.

    Again as I hope I've answered your questions. I'll just leave the one again.

    Do you believe the Scriptures I've posted?

    Thank you. God Bless.
  • Brother Dan - in Reply on John 2
    It is a spiritual relationship.

    1 Corinthians 2:14

    "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

    John 4:24

    "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

    God Bless
  • Like straight answers on John 2
    Jesus and Moses agree there is One GOD .

    So may I ask who is your 1 God . Thanks for your honest answer , no multiples please .
  • Joan on John 2
    How do we know once we are saved that we are forever saved? I ask this because, if in our past after receiving salvation we were a good Christian for a while, yet this changed to a sinful nature. Then finally after several years, it is changed back into doing Gods will, and choosing to live for Him completely because, we realized our mistakes. What if during those years when we were not living for Jesus we were to have died. Would we still have gone to Heaven? Where does the Bible say once saved always saved? Is it only in John 3:16? I was reading where a man got on a bad road after being saved he got into drugs, immoral acts, and such. He died and saw he was in hell. He cried out to Jesus and was brought back to life. He then turned his life into a life of ministry. So, my question is this! Was this something perhaps God did to wake this saved man up, and place him back into His will by letting him get a glimpse of hell? I am now unsure since I use to do bad things after I was saved, and almost died in a coma would I have gone to hell if I had not lived? I simply want to know how we know for certainty we definitely are saved. Thank you, and God Bless!
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 2
    Joan,

    My apologies to you. You were describing a person who is saved, gets into sin, and comes back, not necessarily referring to yourself. Please accept my apology for thinking you were referring to your own walk.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 2
    Joan,

    A person who's been born of God's Spirit has become a new creation in Christ. That person now has a new nature because God's Spirit living inside is pure and holy. God's Spirit convicts a saved person when they sin, therefore a saved person cannot go back to the sinful lifestyle and sinful nature they once had without any conviction in their heart.

    You mention that you were saved, got caught up in sin, but then came back. If I may ask you, why did you come back? My guess would be that if you were truly saved, meaning you were born of the Spirit of Christ, that it was His Spirit that brought conviction to your heart and that's why you came back.

    That happens to every true believer that gets caught up with sin. God will deal with every believer that goes astray and gets involved with sin. The bible tells us in Hebrews Chapter 12 that Christ disciplines and chastens those who belong to Him. And He does so out of love. He will never allow one of His sheep to go astray. If a person's not under the discipline of the Lord, they don't belong to Him. They have an illegitimate claim to belong to Christ!

    So, "How do we know once we are saved that we are forever saved?" The answer would be who are you trusting when it comes to your salvation? Are you trusting in the one who says He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you, the one who says you are being kept by His power? Or are you trusting in yourself to keep yourself saved?

    God gives eternal life. If there is a way we can lose our salvation, then it is not eternal. Please know that the entire salvation process is all of God. Man cannot save himself, and man cannot keep himself saved. If it wasn't for God and His power to keep us saved, we would have no hope!

    There's nothing in scripture that says a person can lose their salvation. If you're saved now, you will remain saved by the mighty hand and power of God. Of all that belong to Him, He says He will not lose one. If that's not assurance, I'm not sure what is!
  • Adam - in Reply on John 2
    Dear Joan,

    I think only a minority of Christians believe once saved, always saved, because the Bible doesn't support that idea. Most people would agree that Hitler probably won't be in heaven, despite going to church when young and possibly identifying as a Christian at one point. Judas was a Christian (a literal Christ follower) and betrayed Him in a huge way, and it's my personal belief that he is not saved. There's countless examples of Christians who unfortunately have turned their back on Jesus and started following the ways of the world or the devil himself. Jesus warned His followers to obey and fear God and avoid sin and obey. People today are making claims that you don't have to do anything at all. I believe God is a fair judge.

    This doesn't mean we're saved by effort, it's grace. But Jesus clearly said if you love Him then obey. Christianity is an action requiring effort. Those who are genuine Christians following Christ will be saved, those who aren't are in danger of not being saved. I believe Bible backs this up very well. Plus, one can have assurance of salvation, but no one is actually saved until judgment day. So, people that claim they're saved, and can enjoy sin and doing evil 24/7 are mistaken. That idea only comes from satan. They will call out Lord, Lord and Jesus will not know him, just as the Bible says. Jesus said most people won't go to heaven- narrow is the way. Some accuse others of being legalistic, but they'd probably accuse Jesus of that too: John 14:15.

    Just a few relevant verses...

    Hebrews 10:26

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Romans 11

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 12:31-32.

    Romans 14:12

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
  • Joan - in Reply on John 2
    Amen Brother in Christ! I fully agree! God bless you for sharing your message with me.
  • Joan - in Reply on John 2
    I choose my life to live completely for Christ Jesus and thank you for helping me understand my question. I will be reading those Bible verses today. I pray God will bless you in all you do! Your Sister in Christ Jesus. Joan
  • Joan - in Reply on John 2
    I came back to living for the Lord because, I knew what I had done was wrong, and no way did I want to live any longer in my sinful ways. Praise God He gave me another chance by bringing me out of my coma a new woman. I completely agree we are saved by Gods Grace. So I know if we truly love God as I do, we choose to lead our lives in His will only. Resisting Satan, and by taking time for others, reading Gods word daily, and by praying about everything. My greatest joy is attending Church, and giving God Praise, and by glorifying Him. I know by my doing so will help me show Christs love to others. It also helps me be the witness God the Father would have me to be. After all Christ sacrificed His life for me as well as all of us who will receive Him as their Lord & Savior. Praise the Lord! Jesus lives forever! As Christians we know we can all can have eternal everlasting life by choosing a committed life living for Him. God Bless you for sharing with me! Joan
  • Chris - in Reply on John 2
    Hello Joan. I fully agree with what Jesse has shared with you. And thank you for your testimony of the Lord "giving you another chance", making you new again. Accordingly, your life has turned about completely & you want to glorify Him through it by living only for Him.

    But you are in conflict & despair as to what would have happened if you died whilst in a comatose state & were living in sin. This is a question no one here can answer, as salvation is "of the Lord" & is personal between Him (His Spirit) & you. Each person's state is only known by God, & what He does to bring a sinning Christian back to Himself, cannot be known by us. What concerned me was what you said, "if in our past after receiving salvation we were a good Christian for a while, yet this changed to a sinful nature." Again, only the Lord & you would know what took place at the time of salvation. When you heard the Gospel, when you responded to it, how you were taught in the Word, how you responded to the Holy Spirit's Work in you, are some questions only you can answer. If your salvation wasn't real at that time (i.e. without conviction of sin & your estrangement from God) or maybe you heard the Gospel in an incorrect/incomplete way, then when looking back at the attractions of the world & to fulfil your desires would be easy to do, without any sense of guilt or wrongdoing.

    But if you were saved at that time, the Holy Spirit wouldn't let you go - every thought, every act or desire of yours would bring about conviction because sin cannot be entertained in a holy vessel. Again, only you can discern what went on in you during that time of rejection of the Christ-centred life. And if you had struggles, indeed it was the Lord alerting you, calling & drawing you back to Himself. Maybe it was the coma itself that the Lord used to finally 'shake' you out of sin & complacency & you're now on the road to faithful godly living & real joy & peace in the spirit as you serve Him. Luke 15:10 & Hebrews 12:2.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    Amen my brother Chris!
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on John 2
    Brother Richard, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Do you believe the saints are going to judge the world?

    1 Corinthians 6:2

    Do you believe that judgement is upon the house of God now; and we are that house?

    1 Peter 4:17

    If you believe the saints are going to judge the world; what is the judgement of:

    Psalms 149:9
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 2
    Hi brother Earl,

    To your three questions.

    1) Yes. We who are in Christ have been Blessed with the Holy Spirit. After we have been purged from the things of this world through repentance and being taught by the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. We are counted worthy to judge as we are Spiritual and not carnal anymore. Though no man can judge us. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16.

    I will add this. In the next verse 1 Corinthians 6:3 where it states "we shall judge angels". It does not say this in the Greek. Going over the Textus Receptus that verse actually comes out to "Know not that angels judge truly things that pertain to this life".

    2) Yes. Though we who are in Christ are worthy to judge the things in this world when we become Holy. I do not believe this is the same as the Judgement each of us receive after our physical life ends and we are to stand before God or Christ. Only God can Judge each and every single person because He knows everything about everyone. Knowing what is truly in every single persons heart. As I stated in a previous post I can never say anyone is going to be saved or not. As brother Chris stated "salvation is of the Lord". Then as the verse right after the one you posted states how the righteous shall scarcely be saved. 1 Peter 4:18. Not that all shall be saved.

    3) So as I believe God is the only true Judge. As Christ is also on His throne. God's Judgement is of righteousness. Having many synonyms. As our Saviour is Jesus Christ being the only way to the Father. In that we have all fallen short of the Glory of God in our lives. Why God had to send us His Son to be the Perfect sacrifice to pay for our sins once and for all. Not meaning it's ok to sin now. We have a perfect example to follow and that is our Lord. Who lived a perfect life and we should try our best to follow in His footsteps.

    As we can plainly see in the world today not all are with God. Also the world is a lot worse than people can see in plain sight.
  • Dee - in Reply on John 2
    Amen God is good so the time.
  • Joan - in Reply on John 2
    Amen He sure is good all the time!
  • Dee - in Reply on John 2
    I can't imagine those that don't seek the lord what they truly are missing, the peace of the lord is joyous. I am glad you are saved as the Lord says

    Seek and yeah shah find. Your life will continue to be more peaceful in harmony and love as you search his word set yourself approved you can know that the Lord will be your guide .

    Thru all tribulations you truly will have peace.

    He's out strength. Amen
  • Joan - in Reply on John 2
    Amen I completely agree! God Bless you for sharing this with me!
  • Patrick Croukamp on John 2:13
    how many times did JESUS go to Jerusalem specifically for Passover? i only see once; and yet all men are called to attend 3 feasts in Jerusalem annually. It seems HE only preached for a year and a bit?


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