John Chapter 17 Discussion

  • Giannis - in Reply on John 17
    Mark 16:15-18.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 17

    My apology. That was Hebrews 2:4, not Verse 2.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 17
    Greta Murphy,

    Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

    New tongues means new languages, known languages!

    Mark 16:18 says, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

    And then Mark 16:19-20 gives us the confirmation of the word.

    And all these things in Verses 16-17 were done. But please notice these next two verses carefully ( Mark 16:19-20):

    "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."

    Hebrews 2:2 tells us that when the apostles went out and preached that there were signs that followed in order to establish the apostles preaching as the gospel of God. And that is what he is saying here.

    We know that there are various signs that were worked by Jesus through the disciples in order to confirm the message they were hearing is the gospel. It doesn't say everybody, that every person that believes down through history is going to manifest all these various things, but rather for the confirmation of the establishment of the Word of God, which we have with us today.

    Hope this helps!
  • Greta Murphy. on John 17
    In which gospel does Jesus say "these are the signs that will be associated with believers".
  • Richard H Priday on John 17
    John 17 and Predestination/Election

    An interesting note in this chapter is in verse 14; where it is said that the world hated the Disciples. This is a departure from John 7:7 where He told them the opposite. Clearly; there was a change with understanding to the Apostles and whoever else stuck with Him; as they saw increasing resistance once miracles occurred and particularly when Christ got to the last weeks and months of His ministry when He was in a more public venue.

    Verse 2 shows once again that saving faith or eternal life is given to all those given to Him (election); and verse 6 shows what we might call "perseverance of the saints". Verse 8 shows the RESULT of this that they have indeed "believed and received" them. The prayer in verse 9 further shows that the focus is not on the whole world but to believers.

    Verse 15 and 16 asks His children to be kept from evil (or the evil one). The following verses (v. 17-20) basically talk about "sanctification"; with glorification in 21-24. The theme of unity also is evident; and once again verse 25 shows how the world doesn't know the Father but those to whom He has been sent know Him. Hence; our realization of truths comes from God initiating understanding. The chapter then discusses love between the Father and Christ and in His people.

    We should always remember that there is a relationship; an intimate knowledge in the inner man between the Lord and individual believers. Especially in the light of our High Priest who suffered all things as we did but without sin ( Heb. 4:15). This is essentially a restoration of broken fellowship after Adam sinned; but also will lead to a superior state once we are in His presence than to where Adam was before he sinned. We will have an imperishable body; incorruptible; and without sin or the capacity to do so.
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 17
    Good afternoon,

    Although John did not write his gospel until late in his life, it is probably likely that he did write some things down either while with Jesus, or early after Pentecost. We just don't have these writings preserved. Who knows, perhaps John was a "record keeper" for the group while they were with Jesus. John founded many churches in Asia Minor. He must have written letters or preached at these, but the letters were not preserved over time. We just don't know.
  • Suze - in Reply on John 17
    Dear Joyce , here are some scripture references that might help you understand a bit better ; 2nd Peter Ch 1 V 16-21 , John Ch 2 V 17 + V 22 , John Ch 12 V 16 and John Ch 14 V 26 . Also Luke Ch 24 V 4-7 and finally Luke Ch 21 V 8-19 . Hope these help .
  • Giannis - in Reply on John 17
    Dear Joyce, actually we don't know that but It is obvious that John was writing down what Jesus was saying. John is said that to have written his gospel when he was very old 90-100 years old, many decades after those things happened. If he didn't record Jesus talking how could he remember all that?

  • Joyce on John 17
    It amazes me that John was able to record 4 chapters basically of Jesus talking, teaching, praying there in the upper room the night of his betrayal. I'm wondering if we know if John was recording as he spoke.
  • Angie Nixon on John 17
    No greater love is there than Jesus's love to freely give his life for sinners like us!

    I love Jesus the Son of the Living God for all that He has done, is doing and will be doing for Everything Comes from Him!!!!
  • Suze - in Reply on John 17
    Thank you so much for your passionate post . Please take heart , you are not alone , you have many brothers and sisters on here who would love to hear more from you and you are always in His sight . Much love in Christ .
  • The same on John 17
    Since the beginning of the 1st christlike christian century to this 21st christlike christian century, god's our world has been in an ungodly state. no respect to our holy heavenly lovingly creator. personally, i'm angry as hell and i'm not having it anymore! as the film network with peter finch said! i've been praying and since 1979, reading through my lat dad's holy king james bible i came across new testament john chapter 17, and to this day sunday 20th march 2022ad i'm still reciting these holy words/prayer of our sovereign saviour jesus christ. tears welling up in my eyes. oh if only we all could see how much god loves us and his world everyone. jesus christ showed us on his blood shedding cross openly, here our world go again this is lent leading us into easter. how long o lord????? thank you lord jehovah god almighty for everything. amen and amen and amen,

    every day i spiritually deeply wonder of god's deep, ocean deep love for his children and his world. my acceptance of god lovingly loving me is truthfully amazing!!! to consider i see myself a very lonley individual visiting churches and cathedrals, asking seeking knocking(ask) and now age three score and ten spiritually believe in god our father son and holyghost! amen and amen!!!! god is so wonderful i can't explain...but i can sing glory holylujahhh... please raise( praise) his holy heavenly loving living powerful name!!!! we are in the 21st century, and at end of 2019ad this planned-demic started. my first spiritualistical thought... for god so love our world! it is written in holy scriptures kjv, it didn't say government! i went deep down in the beginning of the year and said no no no!!! why!why! why! what's going on. then as the years rolled on my spiritualistical mind went into holy scriptures and the birth of baby jesus, how king herod sent out his men to kill off many babies under the age of three. i compared it with our 21st century and the 2020,2021,2022ad and now our world russia vladimir p
  • In ELIZAH on John 17
    Since the beginning of the 1st christlike christian
  • Chris - in Reply on John 17
    Hello Walter. You wrote: "if someone is first and last all they are stating the(y) are the only one." If Jesus has stated this (as in Revelation 1:8; Revelation 12:13), could He actually be identifying completely with the One God, from Whom He once proceeded from, as the Word of God given flesh? 'Alpha & Omega' is a very strong loaded phrase that can only be denoted to God, to which the risen Jesus Who sits at the right Hand of God, makes claim to ( Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:12; 1 Peter 3:22). If the 'only one God now is Jesus', what happened to the Father, Whom Jesus sits beside? Jesus not only prayed to His Father whilst He walked on Earth, but now reigns with Him ( Revelation 3:21; Revelation 7:10).
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 17
    Good observation Walter.

    What you are saying is When Paul asked Who are thou Lord he was addressing the Lord he was taught in Judaism, When Jesus answered he realized that The Lord he was addressing IS the Lord of Judaism and He's Jesus. Am I correct?

    God bless.
  • GiGi again - in Reply on John 17

    You are espousing a Oneness Doctrine that denies the Triune nature of God and promotes what as been known as Modalism over the centuries. This teaching has been deemed heresy throughout church history. It is refuted by Scripture as all three persons of the the Godhead presented themselves at Jesus' baptism and Jesus instructed the apostles to baptize in the name each of the Persons of the Godhead.

    People are free to believe and say what they understand to be true. But, likewise, we are free to refute wat we think is false teaching. I suggest that you google "Modalism" to learn more about why I am saying this.

    In His Love,
  • Walter - in Reply on John 17
    In order to understand God completely we must be born again. The scriptures say no man can say that Jesus is Lord without the Holy Spirit - meaning everyone without the Holy Spirit can not understand who God is! Take the Apostles Paul; he killed many of the original saints and thought he was doing God's work however on the road of Damascus, a great light shine and Paul (Saul was his name at that time) ask who are thou Lord; the Lord he was referencing was the one, he supposing was serving (Jehovah of the Old Testament); the Lord (to the Israelites there is but one God, hence the reason they have not really excepted Jesus as Lord.

    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God- the Word was God! The Word became flesh (Jesus Christ) and dwelt among us. Read John 1:1-14

    The bottom line God said I am alpha and omega (first and last) it is natural for us not to understand how someone can be first and last but spiritually we are able to discern if someone is first and last all they are stating the are the only one.

    Jesus was God manifest (clearly shown) in the flesh, there are three manifestation of God but there is only one God and his name is Jesus!
  • Alex N on John 17
    The Father and the Son are 2 distinct beings as the Son prays to his Father and the Father tells the world this is my beloveth Son , This Father and Son relationship is unbreakable , If they were the same identical being that wd make the Father a liar. Ya gotta realise the FATHER neva died only the son died, But only his body died his Spirit neva died ,thus he commended his Spirit back to his Father's hands the lil ones ,I will turn my hands to the lil ones ,When a seed dies it multiplies But as Jesus said if a seed dies it will bring forth much fruit, had he not died there wd have been only 1 Christ but b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven, lil ones imply multiplication . Smite the shepard and the sheep will be scattered THEN I WILL TURN MY HAND TO THE LIL ONES . That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven ,When a seed dies it multiplies and this multiplication implies every one is gonna see him , The field is the world thus the world is gonna birth a baby Christ The Granson Thus everybody is gonna see him, Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me. Jeremiah 30 : 6 The world is in travail and birth pains .

    The very fact that we have a Father and a Son begs the question of a Granson and equally important AN ISRAEL OF GOD , A heavenly Jacob. Thats y the new birth is so important its the means by which Christ will be multiplied in humanity as the stars of heaven ( by his Seed the words of the new covenant ) Without this Abrahamic Trinity there wd have neva been a nation of ISRAEL . likewise without the heavenly trinity there cannot be an Israel of God via the seed of Christ that are gonna be as the stars of heaven. Remember that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven,Thats y the Sower will go forth to sow his precious seed the living word in humanity. That we might be bornagain of his incorruptible seed. Thus an ISRAEL OF GOD.
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on John 17

    I thought instead of just putting out my understanding to Sangeeth Joseph question, I would list a few questions for study on this thought on end times. Prophecy vs Mystery how does that fit. I'm not sure I follow, I know prophecy mostly is on the house of Israel and for Israel will come to fulfillment in the 1000 years when Jesus sets up the kingdom here on earth.

    But there are prophecies about the end time that will affect individuals, not nations, that are still living when it starts. Some teaching could have some unprepared and may be devastating to someone's faith, I do not take that as vain or unprofitable 2 Timothy 2:15 it was not a question of salvation.

    We know the mystery and the promise in Genesis 22 when Abraham did not withhold his son to sacrifice him. All nations would be blessed through his seed and this was not revealed until after Israel rejected the Messiah Jesus when He first came was only for the house of Israel to confirm the covenant and fulfill it, and the kingdom of God had come, but they rejected it. The gospel of Christ was then given to the Gentiles by Paul, which is the mystery. One of the reasons was to make Israel jealous. Did you know Paul was not the first to preach Christ to the Gentiles?

    I will study the link you put out, not sure if I follow how it relates to what I posted, maybe after I study it I will see.

    God bless,

  • Carleton - in Reply on John 17
    Good afternoon friend, In a vision as a young man while working, I stood beside the Lamb of God where a voice thundered asking if this is what I was looking for. It has taken nearly thirty years to realize that I also saw the mystery which was and is and is to come, a complete non- resistance to the Father in a visible and Holy Body. However many Saints before died in grace of this knowledge, by faith and the mystery like other prophecy has been already revealed.
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} "study/try spirits"? - in Reply on John 17
    RLW, Precious friend:

    You say "Prophecy," but Where Does God's "Revelation of The MYSTERY," And 2 Timothy 2:15 {answering 'Confusion'?} fit into your "study" equation?:

    Prophecy vs MYSTERY:

  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on John 17
    Sangeeth Joseph,

    Prophecy has been interpreted by misunderstandings and assumptions. It has been misheard and many false teachings have people looking for things that are not coming. Prophecy shows that God is in ultimate control.

    When studying prophecy, God's word (scripture) the Holy Spirit is the interpreter we are not. Prophecy is generally understood after it has been fulfilled, it confirms the word of God and the prophet is of God.

    If we have decided the answer by the teachings we have been taught, or other opinions before we have gone to the Bible in prayer for the facts and truth, the only things we will see in scripture will line up with the conclusion we have already come to. Where did the seven years in this teaching come from? Has the 70-weeks in Daniel been fulfilled already Daniel 9:24-27? Is the rapture (catching up or away) 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 the same as the resurrection, the day of redemption? Is the great tribulation the same as the wrath of God? Is our blessed hope, to be spared great tribulation? How about all the martyrs before us, are we more worthy?

    Does scripture tell us our destination after we meet Jesus in the air? Is there any scripture that says we will be taken or we go to heaven? Are there other scriptures that tell us it will be after the great tribulation? Does scripture tell us every eye shall see Jesus coming?

    These are just a few questions, I hope you take them out of love for study and are not offensive. I could tell you what I believe but if it is different, will not help. Pray and let the Holy Spirit lead you to the truth. It will not be overnight and some questions will never be answered. Your question is the covid shot the mark of the beast, it is not. When that happens Satan is permanently cast down and the beast and the false prophet are full throttles. The mark will be based on worship, whoever will take it will know what they are doing.

    We are told to study and to try the spirits.

    God bless,

  • BIRTH PAINS INSTEAD OF pre, mid, post Trib - in Reply on John 17
    I believe the 10 virgins inbe ready and looking for Jesus every moment.

    Be a watchman of Matthew 24 and Luke 21.

    Perceive Birth Pains. Starts off slow. Events speed up. It's painful to witness the signs of the times speeding up. The sheer amount of population, clueless, as to why life is becoming jaded, and unable to discern that events are becoming harder to bear. Kind of like how our government is becoming more oppressive every day; the earth is hemorrhaging in floods, storms, earthquakes, fires, volcanos; very very hot or much too cold. The discomfort of labor increases to Intolerable!! Second stage continues until birth.

    We can discern that transition is imminent, by what is happening in the world.

    If we act like ostriches any put our heads in the sand (acting like nothing is wrong or blaming it on global warming) we will not see Jesus COMING IN THE CLOUDS.

    If you scripture search that phrase "Coming in the Clouds", it gives us more info on Jesus's Arrival.

    I believe we will clearly see the beginnings of Tribulation Happenings. We see them now. One being, Israel being surrounded by her enemies. The Third Temple in Jerusalem being built. That's happening. You can view the progress on YouTube or Google, every day. Israel will swap land to have full access to all of the Temple Mount.

    This presidency has withdrawn financial and military protection to Israel; and our nation is being invaded by foreign nations. A curse ( Genesis 12:1-3) ( Leviticus 26)

    Only people who are good sign readers are not going to sleep their way through these final moments of earths history, and the reality of the Tribulation to advance in terror and pain.

    See the Signs! Look Up! Your Redemption draws Closer!

    There's a YouTube site that people all over the planet send them videos of daily disasters In their country. "The Two Preachers" , go have a look.
  • Sangeeth Joseph on John 17
    I believe in a pretrib rapture, what are your views about rature , pretrib, midtrib Bible verses to support it

    and also whether you think the vacc is the mark of the Beast, released step by step into it's full form as described by the Bible.
  • Alex on John 17:5
    This John 17 : 5 is telling us that Christ is gonna be Glorfied and he says his Glorfication is the very Glorification of God the Father . Glorify thou me with thine own self, Even with the Glory I had with you before the world was, Remember he died for the whole world. and the script. says the H.G. is the Glorfication of Christ simply b/c the H.G. was not yet given b/c that Christ was not yet Glorfied thus the multiplication of Christ is the multiplication of very God, Thats y he says to whom the word came ( his seed the living word ) it made them Gods . And that is y the scripture is saying the very Father swore by his very self when he made that PROMISE OF MULTIPLICATION OF Christ, when the sower of that Good Seed ( when the book is opened that is when the sower will go forth to sow his seed thus the H.G. will be given , thats y the woman is given Birth which is the H.G. A SPRITUAL CHILD, That which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit thus he will Glorfy/Multiply the Father ,as the H.G. is the Glorfication of God the FATHER. His prayer was Glorify thou me with thine own self etc and the womans child is another Father a baby God ,to whom the Word came it made them Gods . Thats ye he was praying GLORIFY me that I might Glorify you . See his multiplication VIA HIS SEED is the multiplication of VERY GOD IN US. Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a little Child this implies a heavenly birth of Christ in US. The Father said i have Gloried it and i will Glory it again, there has been an intermission of 2 k yrs. 2 DAYS. It was glorIfied a bit at Pentecost but they ran outta of that 1 st wine the H.G. wine and we will receive that 2 nd wine on the 3 rd day the day of the marriage .At the wedding they received the best Wine the 3 rd day., Ya remember the wedding CHIEF said You have kept the best Wine for last. As Paul said when that which is perfect is come that which is done in part will be done away with.
  • Sande Robert on John 17:3

    Am so blessed for you
  • Chris - in Reply on John 17
    There are numerous ways that God uses to "equip and prepare us" according to what the Lord Jesus prayed for.

    At the base of all spiritual living & work, lies Christ's fully accomplished work on the Cross. And after successfully providing redemption & defeating the power of Satan to all who would believe, Jesus sent to us His Spirit to confirm, seal & establish our hearts in this new life.

    So with the basis of the Cross & the Gift of the Holy Spirit, God's children are being prepared for higher service & a part of that preparation is the "equipping of the saints". Those believers who remain obstinate to the Spirit's urging, never grow spiritually, never receive the abundance of Heaven, & never impact others with Christ's Love.

    The Spirit gives us much so that the Purposes of God are accomplished in the believer, in the Church & in the World. He has blessed us with those with particular Gifts for the building up of Christ's Church & to use to bless others. The power of the Gospel to the unsaved is found both in the power of God's Word & by the testimony of those so changed by it. The depth & richness from the Word comes from the Holy Spirit & in those whom He fills with such knowledge so that our knowledge might also increase. And not to mention the burden of praying saints, those giving of their substance, their time, their energies, & those who would get beside those under weight of some sin or temptation, all speak of the life-giving power of God to bring about His Purposes & blessings to others.

    As Jesus prayed, "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:23: to the end that the Church may be found 'unified with the Godhead in perfection'. And this was the desire of the apostles: Jude 24; Ephesians 5:27; Colossians 1:27,28; Romans 12:1: that in the Day of Presentation, the God's people might stand pure, holy, & unashamed.
  • Bet on John 17
    How did Jesus equip and prepare us to fulfill His vision in John 17:5-26
  • Marilyn S - in Reply on John 17:17
    John 17 is the prayer that Jesus Christ spoke shortly before His arrest and crucifixion around 2000 years ago. How do I know? Because in verse 17:1 it states, "These words spake Jesus and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said Father, the hour is come, glorify thy Son that thy Son also may glorify Thee." So Jesus, the core or central figure in Christianity is the one who is speaking in John 17 and while Jesus is his name in English we call Him Jesus Christ because the term "Christ" means "anointed" or "anointed one".

    In Matthew 16:15-17 Jesus confirms He is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    If you were wondering more specifically about John 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth..." then Jesus Christ is still the answer for as it says in John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me:" So He was saying sanctify them through the truth (through Me) for I am the truth.

    I hope this helps.
  • Other John 17 Comments - in Reply on John 17:17
    These are some other comments posted on THAT verse of scripture. I don't see anything referring to trees. See if you meant a different scripture?I've never run across anything saying the vegetation was revised by God because of giants.

    Past Comments:

    1 month ago by Modesto Olivo on John 17:17

    In my local Sunday Bible class we are going over John 17: 14-24, KJV. The lesson is entitled, "Called As The Intercessor" Thats where I came across verse 17. And, as sometimes happens, the verse drew me to it. I'm writing because of something that was mentioned in your "People's Bible Notes." "The means of canonization is not a Pope, but the "truth." As a former Catholic i am glad to see you make that distinction. I think that's important, very important. Thank you, for taking the time to read my opinion.

    6 years ago

    Allen on John 17:17

    This is a wonderful promise of Jesus for each one of us. Praying to be sanctified in His truth. I bow down before Him and praise Him now and forever more. Amen

    6 years ago

    Efffah on John 17:17


    Hope this helps. The Bible Commentary on this website agrees too. Mishael

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