John Chapter 16 Discussion



 
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 16
    In my mind i see this John 16 : 13 as very enlightning...Jesus was telling them of the spirit of truth that cannot speak of himself and that is b/c the spirit of truth cannot speak for a while simply b/c he is a Child that is gona be born in us...An infant

    ..... Jeremiah 1 : 6 Then said ah LORD GOD behold i cannot speak for i am but a Child...Jeremiah cd not speak for a while and he was symbolic of the manchild the spirit of truth that is gonna rule all nations...Jeremiah was just symbolic of that child of PROMISE which is the H.G. That is gona rule all nations...She brought forth a man child that is gona rule all nations...Rev.12 : 5 .

    ....This is telling us we much be bornagain,...We must birth a lil Child which is the H.G THAT IS GONNA BE BORN IN US...The spirit of truth is gonn be born in us via the seed of Christ Jesus...Thats y Jesus mentions the babes and sucklings as they cannot speak for a while.

    ..... Jeremiah 30 : 6 ..Ask ye now if a man doth travail with Child, Y DO I SEE EVERY MAN WITH THEIR HANDS ON THEIR LOINS AS WOMAN IN TRAVAIL....This is telling us there is an infant in our future a baby Christ...Thats y Jesus said these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes, infants that cannot speak for a lil while.

    .....Alas for that day is GREAT there is none like it it is a time of JACOBS TROUBLES...Who is this JACOB...Its the 3 rd person the H.G. that is gonna be born in us That heavenly Jacob the H.G that ISRAEL OF GOD...The spirit of truth that is gonna rule all nations....But he is just an infant...our new born babe...But he is just like baby Jermiah that cd not speak for a while..

    .....Y am i telling ya all this, simply b/c we are gona birth the spirit of truth that Child of Promise..An infant that cannot speak for a while....He answers to Gal. 4 : 1 The heir as long as he is a Child he differs nothin from a servent THO HE BELORD OF ALL...but is under governors and tutors till the time appointed of the father...thats th H.G.
  • Spunky - in Reply on John 16
    I have to admit I have never read the Quran; therefore, I cannot speak on it. However, as a Child of God, I've never been led to read it or follow anyone but JESUS. God wrote the living word of the BIBLE and I have read it, somewhat studied it, and hopefully live to God's pleasing. With that said right there, and as a Christian, you drive a moot point for a Christian; for I cannot serve two Gods/masters:

    Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    The BIBLE is the Living Word of God and is ONE Master/Holy Trinity. I'm sorry, but Muhammad/man doesn't decide who is "glorified" and get to write his own bible. From what little I have learned about Muhammad, he took similar teachings of God/Jews and manipulated them for his own following but claimed God; hence the conversation, division, and another book called the Quran.

    This is why there's only ONE GOD and ONE BIBLE --anything outside of this is deception or false. Sometimes it's so simple, but leave it to man to complicate/manipulate.

    I pray that you will ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you and His truth, not Muhammad's.

    Besides that, and here's the common sense of God's simplicity; where is Muhammad's name in God's book? Link

    On top of that you call him a "prophet," but yet God has no "Muhammad" in His book --that speaks volumes to me. Case closed. I pray it will you too.

    Truth Matters
  • Giannis - in Reply on John 16
    Dear Zakaria.

    The versr you mention John 16:13 says exactly what which you don't accept. . That it is the Spirit who comes and guide us to all ..So how do you claim it is about some other person? You may get confused sometimes when you read the usage of "He" for the Spirit of God. This shows that you hardly know anything about the christian faith. God is one but at the same time three persons, The Father, the Son or Word who became a man called Jesus Christ and finally the Holly Spirit. Holly Spirit is a person not a thing. That is why He guides us and talks to us. If it were a thing it couldn't do such a thing But still I expect an answer from you. Quran says that Jesus was born by the Holly Spirit. Right? This is written in your Bible, isn't it? Thus the Spirit of God is Jesus' Father. So what is Jesus? Simply a man or the Son of God? Just think about it GBU
  • Chris - in Reply on John 16
    Apologies for an incorrect Scripture. I shared Matthew 11:37 - should be Matthew 11:27.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 16
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    Finally, did Muhammed glorify Jesus in the Qur'an? Only as Prophet (Surah 33:7; Surah 5:46, & many more). He refused Jesus' Sonship (Surah 4:171; Surah 9:31). Yet, Jesus Himself spoke of His Sonship He had with His Father ( John 3:16; Matthew 11:37; John 17:1).

    So trying to find any inference to Muhammed in the Bible ensures a fruitless search - only found in the Qur'an & later documents. The Bible cannot be used to show Muhammed's coming or his work. Jesus came, His Spirit was then given and now the only prophecy yet to be fulfilled is the coming Great Tribulation on the Earth & then the coming of Jesus Christ, the Lord of Glory, to reign for a thousand years, when all evil will be bound & Satan locked away.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 16
    Page 1 of 2.

    Hello Zakaria. John 16:13 is also a verse used by other groups to find proof that their prophet is being spoken about. I'm also familiar with the Bahai's, as with Muslims, who also use this verse. Of course, the Bahai's will speak of their prophet, Baha'ullah & not Muhammed.

    As followers of Jesus Christ, we believe that one verse will generally have others to support it & this is required to get a proper understanding. If this verse speaks of Muhammed, then we should read further as to whom Jesus was actually referring to. Jesus often spoke of the Holy Spirit; in fact in the previous chapter ( John 15:26), He said similar words. So we know that the Holy Spirt comes from God & He is a Comforter. You can also check out: John 14:16,17,26 (The Spirit will also live in you).

    In Luke 24:49, Jesus tells His disciples to wait for the "promise of my Father"; wait, till "ye be endued with power from on high". When did this Power from God come?". Acts 2:1-4: (as the disciples waited, "there came a sound from heaven..a rushing wind..with cloven tongues of fire upon them..and they were filled with the Holy Ghost).

    These are but a few Scriptures to show you what Jesus promised would come, when the Spirit came, & what the Spirit would do. These words have nothing to do with Muhammed, Baha'ullah, or any other prophet or esteemed religious person. These verses speak of the Spirit of God, invisible, not human, indwelling those who belong to God, & God using them for His Purposes. This is not some "crude attempt to ignore or bypass the Truth". It is as the Bible declares. Any other inference is just man's vain attempt to distort the Scriptures. You can even ask, 'when did Muhammed ever come to fill a person & to even cause him to speak in unlearned languages & do works beyond human capabilities?
  • Giannis - in Reply on John 16
    Well dear friend. Such conversatios you are seeking for cannot be made through posts. But I 'll tell you what a fellow christian who was an ex-muslim from Lebanon and now he is an elder in a reborn church, told me. He told me if a muslim ever talks to you about Jesus, then simply ask him. " Does the Quran say that Jesus is the Son of God?" Yes it does say that. "Does it say that He was born by the Holly Spirit?" Yes it does say that as well. Then ask him " Since Jesus' father is God, then Jesus is ... ?" I leave it to you to give an answer to this. GBU
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 16
    Zak i hope you can understand what i am saying....But Spirits can be born thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed that Living word in our hearts....And thats y the H.G. cannot speak of himself he is just an infant...Simply b/c he is gona be born in us...in our hearts as our hearts is like a womb where gestation can take place in the SPIRIT ...Remember Jeremiah saw this whole world in travail and birth pains...Jeremiah saw the Child that is gonna rule all nations which is the H.G. that CHILD OF PROMISE....The spirit of truth that is gona reprove this whole world of righteousness etc.

    .....When Jesus breathe on them that was his words which are his seeds that is gonna propagate a birth of Christ in us...The Son of Man...Mankinds fruit unto God...Roman 7 : 4 ...Then he told em b/c i have spoken these words his seeds sorrows have filled your hearts, when a woman is in travail she has sorrows but her sorrows are turned into joy after the Child comes.. Matthew 16 : 19 kjv...The Child is the H.G. THAT RESULTS FROM HIS SEEDS, HIS WORDS...HIS BREATH...But the CHILD is the H.G. that infant that cannot speak of himself simply b/c he is an infant...But whatever he hears in the SPIRIT he can understand and reveals it unto us his mother..
  • Alex N - in Reply on John 16
    Hello Zak...May i give ya my version of John 16 : 13 KJV....He cannot speak of himself is b/c he is a baby, a new born...Remember Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of PROMISE....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD AS A LIL CHILD a New Born. ..You will in no wise enter there in.

    Thus he cannot speak of himself....He is just a living baby Spirit an infant which is the H.G...When Paul mentions that NEW BORN desireing the sincere milk of the word thats the H.G. Emanuel God with us....A baby Christ..an infant .Simply b/c our new innerman has to be born in us via the seed of Christ Jesus which is the H.G. ...They don't refer to Jesus as the bridegoom for nothin...He wants to sow a seed in us initiating a birth of Christ in us...That New Born babe is the H.G. that cannot speak of himself....He is just an infant....I will give babes to rule over them and Children shall be their Princes.... Isaiah 3 : 4 kjv

    ......Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man...She brought forth aman Child that is gonna rule all nations...Which

    is the H.G....That Child of Promise.
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 16
    2Corinthians 11, false, deceitful, Galatians 1:6-9,

    Acts 4:12,

    True believers believe Jesus CHRIST
  • ZAKARIA ABDULLAH on John 16
    JOHN 16:13

    It is somewhat perplexing to note that not many amongst billions of Christians of various denominations could discern the true meaning and interpretation of the verse John 16:13, among others, which Jesus Christ had prophesied and roughly interpreted by Bible translators as the "comforter/advocate/helper/friend, etc." in various books of the Bible. To allude the object of the prophecy only to the Holy Spirit is, to my mind, a crude attempt to ignore and by-pass the Truth. The phrase "for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak," already hint volumes of probability that the verse refers to a man and not to a Holy Spirit. It would be absurd to consider sending the Holy Spirit anew for such mission when all along it was already present even before Jesus began his ministry.

    Moreover, the abovementioned phrase is confirmed in the Holy Qur'an's process of revelation. For being illiterate, Prophet Muhammad could not read what the "Holy Spirit" (Angel Gabriel) commanded him to. So, the whole Qur'an was dictated by the Angel Gabriel only for Muhammad to repeat what he hears being dictated to him. The few Christians (priests, ministers and church leaders) who had read and understood the Holy Qur'an, have all embraced Islam. Most, if not all, of the tasks referred to by Jesus to be undertaken by the one he would send through God Almighty, the Father, could not be handled by the Holy Spirit. It did not teach or bring anything new for the benefit of the disciples and lay Christians. All of the prophecies fitted hand-in-glove with the advent of Prophet Muhammad which not only glorified Jesus in the Qur'an, but including his mother, Mary.
  • Fred Scanlan - in Reply on John 16:28
    What a cool name you have! Jea lynn! My spell check wont go away? Well, you are correct. I sometimes become overwhelmed with the Holy Spirit that i can't pound the keys fast enough. With the preponderance of evidence that Satan and His angels are so very much alive especially these days in the media, those who are outside the body of Christ will be deceived and believe his lies! The word of God has a profound effect upon the heart and minds who follow after truth. I am reminded again of the faith of our Father Abraham, when He said "the Lord shall provide" to His Son Isaac. Isaac unaware that He would be the sacrifice! This is the same condition that our God wants us to walk in, with complete faith in His saving grace. My doc. the other day said the sacrifice was Ishmael and not Isaac, now you are correct on my spelling ,but how to convince Him that it was Isaac is a great deal more to talk about. Faith is the most important of all things, it will guide us into all truth! The Koran is evidence that there are many more differences that are ahead of us! Even so the Muslim believer thinks that Jesus was a prophet and not the Son of God. The question is ,can we work these things out? All things are possible through Christ! I thank you for reading and correcting me!

    In Christ, Fred
  • Jealynn - in Reply on John 16:28
    John 13:35, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

    True Christians can not persecute true Christians; only false converts can encourage true Believers in Christ to suffer severe persecution for His names' sake. How will all men know without a shadow of a doubt, who are the real Christ followers verses the false professing ones?

    The answer is stated in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

    Matthew 7:18, "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

    Love is one of the fruits that is mentioned first in Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

    1John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

    True Love, God's Agape love does not persecute another child of God for doing what God says to do in His Holy Word. A person will know who is who by the fruit on a person's tree. That is how an Believer will be able to discern a true Christ followers from an affected (phony) one.

    That is why in John 16:2 it says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

    When Saul before he became Paul before he had a road to Damascus experience: he was on a mission to slaughter all the Christians in certain territories, when Christ, thank God, interrupted his plans. Paul considered himself the least of the apostles because of his past persecutions against the church of God.

    1Corinthians 15:9, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

    But now that Saul was transformed by the Holy Spirit, he is now a new creature.
  • Jealynn - in Reply on John 16:28
    Christ is with a capital C not lower case, you must of had a typo. Jesus loves you very much!
  • Fred - in Reply on John 16:28
    Understanding a believers relationship in this world of unbelievers can be daunting. The war for our souls is a play on the stage of the world. This Satan hates it . our lives reveal his weakness over those who are outside the body of christ. T he power of.his kingdom cannot succeed with only some,but he is the prince of darkness and must have all! It cannot happen without God's permission however.God is the author and finisher of our faith and will have the absolute final say in our outcome and what it shall be.
  • Dav47 - in Reply on John 16:28
    Jealynn; You are so right. I book marked this passage way back when people in the name of GOD started beheading Christians because they were Christians. Along with Revelations 20:4. GOD warned us not to seek HIM in churches that don't teach the WORD of GOD but pass a plate around and say a verse and the rest of the hour they tell their congregation of a fishing trip they had Saturday. People who sat in church pews their whole life but never been taught the WORD of GOD will be the first ones taking by the anti-Christ who comes first. They are told you don't have to understand Revelations you will be gone. Anti-Christ will be coming after Christians not the rest of the world, he already has them. Coming after those who claim to be Christian but are not taught the true WORD of GOD. Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear are watchful as commanded. You have people who want to run away from the biggest fight of the ages that even the profits wanted to be in these times. The deception will be great for what they were taught. I plead to anyone who reads this to turn away from false doctrine before it's too late for In an instant at the 7th trump you will be so ashamed that you were had, that you want mountains to fall on you but you will not be able to hide your shame from the KING of kings.
  • Jealynn on John 16:28
    John 16:2

    "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

    This scripture reminds me of all anti-Christ religions, who seek to destroy Christ followers in these last and evil days, and it has been happening for quite some time now. The one world order agenda is coming into fruition; you can see Biblical prophesies fulfilling before our very eyes.
  • Seeing Saved Loved Ones Who Have Gone to Heaven - in Reply on John 16
    Isaiah 65:17 says, "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." Some interpret Isaiah 65:17 as saying that we will have no memory of our earthly lives in heaven.

    HOWEVER, one verse earlier in Isaiah 65:16, the Bible says, "For the past troubles will be forgotten and hidden from my eyes."

    It is likely only our "past troubles" will be forgotten, not all of our memories. Our memories will eventually be cleansed, redeemed, healed, and restored, not erased. There is no reason why we could not possess many memories from our earthly lives. The memories that will be cleansed are the ones that involve sin, pain, and sadness. Revelation 21:4 declares, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

    Many people die on the operating table and are resuscitated, and report seeing Jesus or long dead relatives, friends, pets.
  • Jeff Mooneyhan on John 16
    Does the Bible clearly say anywhere that you will see your loved ones again?

    And I realize that the one left behind and the one that went on to heaven needs to be a child of God.
  • Victor on John 16:18
    Read the KJV Bible the book of Genesis it tells you.
  • BRG on John 16
    John chapter 16.27 , 28 ,29, 30 ...

    Jesus answered them , Do ye now believe ?
  • Linda Berry on John 16
    I love reading the word of god and searching out / for various scriptures that ties in with what is happening in this present world. i'm curious as to whatever happened to eve, i know that adam had multiple children and died, however, the bible speaks very little of eve. is there any recorded history on / of what happened to her? did she out live adam or did she die before adam died?
  • Lori on John 16:33
    Where is john 16:33 in kJ Bible niv received in 2007
  • Okon idongesit Sunday on John 16
    I will be faithful
  • Ron Davis on John 16
    I have no questions. Our Bible is the truth that speaks the truth, so we believe Jesuspreaching that his Words is not only from him, but from the Father who sent him. Believed.
  • Carleton - in Reply on John 16
    Hello Precious, Being Born again is having a heart changed from serving one's self to a heart that serves the Lord. This new life in Jesus Christ comes forth as we in our need looked forward in faith to Jesus for forgiveness. His Spirit will come forth to this new believer and dwell with you as a comforter.

    When the time comes hold nothing back from the Lord.

    Carleton

    Some related scriptures:

    2 Peter 3:9

    Hebrews 3:7

    Romans 8:17

    Psalm 51:10

    2 Corinthians 5:17

    2 Peter 3:19
  • Kelly - in Reply on John 16
    The bible says in Romans 10:9,10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead. Thou shalt be saved. For with the heart, man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.
  • Precious on John 16
    How can one be born again
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on John 16:13
    Hello Carol,

    As Chris explained Ghost and Spirit are the same thing. As in the KJV Bible for the word Ghost, used over 90 times, and the word Spirit, used over 280 times, it is the same Greek word. The word "pnuema" meaning a current or "breadth" of air or figuratively a "spirit".

    Just so you know. God Bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 16:13
    Do you believe that man has been making this change? When did this happen, since both the Holy Ghost & Holy Spirit are mentioned throughout Scripture? Or, maybe you sense that the 'Spirit' is in wider use than 'Ghost'? The word "Ghost" means 'Spirit' as you know, so it should not be a problem when either Name is used. What does trouble me, is the wide use of 'Holy' & being associated with other things, e.g. Holy cow/smoke/mackerel/Moses, etc. I do get quite disturbed by this. Do you?


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