John Chapter 15 Discussion



 
  • Richard Priday on John 15
    John 15 and Predestination

    John 15:2 is a frightening verse; in that on the surface it would seem that someone could be saved but end up being lost. Romans 11:21-22 seems to reflect the same sort of picture. Since scripture can't contradict itself; this can't mean salvation can be lost. It does reflect that there are some who would gain prominence, reputations or financial gain from association with the church but whose hearts were never in it. Continuation is a theme here in verse 9 (perseverance of the saints in a way). Verse 16 makes it clear once again that God chose us for these good fruits; i.e. good works.

    Going back to verse 2; the second part shows how God is doing the purging (or chastisement; and testing through trials) to gain MORE fruit for those truly in Him. The parable of the sower and the seeds ( Matthew 13:3-9 and in Luke) illustrates how those in Him must get to the point of producing fruit. This fruit comes from Him; therefore He is gaining a return for His investment or redemption achieved through the Atonement.

    The concept of being called friends is once again attached to the idea of producing LASTING fruit as WELL as seeing answered prayers. This should give us pause to reflect on our own spiritual growth as well as being selective in WHO prays for us; looking for those that show evidence of these things.

    Finally; we have verse 17 about the COMMAND to love one another; followed by the fact that men will HATE us because of Christ in us. This theme goes on to verse 26 where the Comforter is promised to do the talking; as well as the Disciples own eyewitness testimony in the following verse as part of their unique ministry. In light of this; we have to question churches that the world readily accepts in light of whether the TRUE and whole Gospel is being preached.
  • Grae - in Reply on John 15
    Luke Ch 21 V 19 . Hold on Betty . God is good and He will not abandon you .
  • T. Levis - in Reply on John 15
    John 15:19, John 15:15-27, Romans 12:21, 1John 4:4,

    John 16:33,
  • Betty Cheffer on John 15
    Your word has the truth of all that has been happening to me in the past year! I have and still am being attacked by worshipers of satan! I pray that I be released from all forms attacking me to no avail! I believe that God will work in me and has reason for not releasing me until it be his will! I believe there is a purpose that I cannot see or understand and I wait on Him! Pray for me and my children that love me for who I am! I'm A believer!
  • Marcelo on John 15
    Hi, why the Bible does not use the real names of God or Jesus and use the word Lord.

    There are lots of lords in England.

    God's real name is YHWH there are many god's Satan is a god.

    Jesus' real name is Yahusha and in his time here in the world there was no letter J.

    why use the Jews in the Bible as if they were YHWH people they are not the Hebrews of old, they are the Pharisees, that hated Yahusha.

    They are pure Cabal from the Russian steps.

    Are you even able to answer me? If you are it would be much appreciated.

    YAH BLESS

    Marcelo
  • Joy Stevens on John 15
    I am finding must to be using for me to help with closer to prayers.
  • Dianne - in Reply on John 15:18
    Linda Just remember its not flesh and blood it is spiritual and job is to walk in the love of God, trust me your not alone in this. God Bless
  • Linda on John 15:18
    This verse is a comfort..because when my husband and my family treat me mean..I know that they don't love Jesus...his love is not in them.

    I love Jesus
  • Lauren - in Reply on John 15
    Bobby B., thanks for these scriptures. My faith had to grow up, I was naive, and didn't understand why "I was hated without a cause." I wanted to stay like a little girl in the faith, held in the arms of the Father and held in the arms of the world! But slowly he was rising as a Warrior in me, preparing instruments of battle in me. I didn't understand, I wanted to remain passive like a child in his arms. But no. It's not the Jesus of the church basement pictures, gentle, surrounded by little children. We grow up in faith to enter a battle, over time we are no longer surprised at the fiery trials, or the experience of being rejected. Rejection of the world is the way forward. "if you suffer with Him...."
  • Robby B. on John 15
    Read verse 19.

    John 15:19

    "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

    1 John 3:1

    "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not."

    1 John 2:15

    "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

    Remember the story of Joseph, how his brethren despised him for his virtue. (Coat of many colors - 2 Samuel 13:18)

    1 John 3:13

    "Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."
  • Beverly on John 15
    So what is god saying to us
  • Lynda - in Reply on John 15
    This awful type of situation can occur in any given setting. Haven't you heard the saying, the devil goes to church too. He wants to wreck havoc everywhere he goes. God's word tells us to resist the devil and he will flee. God's spirit as the Comforter will reveal every man's character. I would personally comfort this person!!! We do not run from the enemy, we put him in his place, then report him to elders, and police.
  • Ruth M J on John 15:15
    I learnt that God reveals deep knowledge to His friends, not to everyone. what qualifies you to be His friend is your obedience to His commands according to the previous verse.
  • Jennifer Jackson on John 15
    What does the Bible say about the soulful? Will the soul of a forgiven sinner die or live forever with god after death?
  • Adam - in Reply on John 15
    Hello, with just limited information, I would say you have a few courses of action:

    1. Report any illegal activity to the police

    2. Report the facts of the problem (only what you 100% know is true, not any assumptions) to church leaders

    3. Leave

    The above two can by anonymous if you are concerned about ramifications. It's Biblical to try to solve issues within the church before escalating to use outside services, like attorneys or police. Maybe church leaders know about this or maybe they don't. One way to be sure is to anonymously send them a letter and inform them. One thing important in this process is only reporting the facts of what you personally witnessed, not assumptions or interpretations of things. Use quotes, dates, times, locations, names, who did what where and when. Gossip and hearsay can often lead to falsehoods and can cause even more harm, so as long as that is avoided in this process it will be on solid ground and will help people rather than hurt them. God bless.
  • Women Against Violence - in Reply on John 15
    I agree. This community is tricky but I agree. Many people have been forced into silence because they do not want the leaders to get into trouble...
  • Women Against Violence on John 15
    Has anyone had any trouble with sexual harassment at church? If so, how did you handle it?
  • Chris - in Reply on John 15
    Hmmm. This IS a Church you're writing about? Where are the Pastor or Elders hiding? If this situation is affecting you personally, I would run out fast & not look back. And grab the arms of as many other women as you can on your way out.
  • Women Against Violence on John 15
    What can a woman do if men in her church want to have sex with her? She is single or married. We have lots of problems in our church...
  • Michelle on John 15
    Bear in mind that your spouse is your friend, and your love for them should supercede your love for all others on Earth.
  • James on John 15:13
    To lay down one's life simply means, I would be willing to have the love and courage to stand against evil to save my friends. There is no glory to die for a cause, the glory is in victory over evil, victory over death. What use do you serve if you die, burdening your friends with guilt. To stand in front of a burdened soul, protecting them from evil, that is where you'll find me laying my ground.
  • Kim jean-baptiste n - in Reply on John 15
    I believe it is jesus Christ

    Very powerful , the words are if it some

    else. Then I apologize

    . don't mind me
  • Fred Scanlan on John 15
    . The blessed Spirit will maintain the cause of Christ in the world, notwithstanding the opposition it meets with. Believers taught and encouraged by his influences, would bear testimony to Christ and his salvation.( Mathew Henry).

    These words are the bow with the arrow that will speak into the soul of man! The fiery darts are the word of God when he says ,"overcome evil with good".

    We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. I am not one who knows the place the word comes from, Any More than I know What it means. The pages of the bible are the true image of who he is! It will also change your image , an mage like unto Him! Who can know the unfathomable works of God, unless he where to read it? Then and only will you experience the power given unto those that love him! Many who wish to know , must give their heart and soul only, to Him that loves you !H.S.
  • Jim on John 15
    JJ remember John 3: 16 to 21. For God so love the world, that he gave his only begotten son,that whosoever believed in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved

    He that believed not is condemned already. Because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God.

    And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, andmenloved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    For every one that depth evil hated the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds maybe made manifest,that they are wrought in god. In response to JJ. John15
  • Falechia Davis on John 15
    pruning is not always good but the results are out of this world,jesus with the fig tree it was cursed because it had not fruit . barring fruit is nessasary,for all of us.the cutting dont feel good,but we need not be the fig tree syndrome and have no use for yourself and the world...
  • Daniel Smallwood on John 15:19
    When I read the words.."If ye were of the world, the world would love his own" I hear the devil in replace of "his". For I know the world we live in is the devils.
  • Freddieo on John 15
    Understanding our relationship to God seems impossible when we consider the omniscience of the almighty! With this in mind ,we hear Christ words "abide in me", this reason, for the sin that separates us, keeps us from Him! Sin is baggage , a detour before and behind us, moving us in directions that are outside His will for us! Like nature from the day we are born, we are dying all the time! "Heaven and earth shall pass away, my words shall remain forever." Seasons change, but return renewed again, only to start their work again. Christ tells us to abide in His vine, bringing forth fruit. That without Him we will be gathered as dead branches and thrown into the fire. This fruit he speaks of is His righteousness, given to us through faith found perfect in His nature! If we are to grow and enter into his kingdom, we cannot see the kingdom, or hear it without Him! When you except Him and start living in Him, you will see what he has in store for you! Eternal life! A kingdom without end! Given to us, because of His love for the world! ( John 3:16.)
  • Fred Scanlan on John 15
    What is intriguing, about mathew,Mark,andLuke, is that because they do not read exactly the same, there must be an underlying reason the holy spirit is accomplishing. Man defines as one of the three persons in the holy trinity as being the holy spirit. Even tho we do not see Him ,He is very distinct in the sanctification of the reader! This is why Peter says that (the scripture) is of no private interpretation. This process takes time and that time equates differently with each one of us! This configuration or revelation corresponds with ones oneness with the Holy Spirit.When we are confronted with trials and situations which separate us from the word , it could be considered that these spaces in our growth are not unlike the spaces we find in the synoptic gospels, Not unlike a painting that comes together. I have often wondered why my recollection , or remembrance seem complicated, only to come to knowing that the Holy Spirit is at work. The love of Christ that surpasses all understanding, keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on John 15
    No one is. Yet while we was still sinners He died for us.
  • Sharon on John 15
    Truly I am not worthy


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