John Chapter 14 Discussion Page 2



 
  • Marke - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    We find the Lord in Luke 6 makes it clear that God is not interested in human claims of obedience to the letter of the law so much as He is interested in humans demonstrating a heart to love God and fellow sinners in fulfillment of the spirit of the law.
  • Joseph woodfork on John 14 - 2 years ago
    chapter 6 st luke explained
  • Grae - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I'm not going to go around in circles with u or anyone on this sight . I was a bit snippy with u earlier and I was wrong to be so , i apologise for that and wish u well and may God continue to bless u .
  • Grae - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    So he didn't say : my God why hast thou forsaken me ? That's what quoting is .
  • Ron - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Actually Jesus was fulfilling prophecy , not quoting psalm 22 .

    Good on finding psalm 22 it applies.
  • Free - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Dear "Bob", The truth is that there are three witnesses in Heaven.

    It is the Spirit, the Water and the Blood. Or so: The Father, the Word and the Spirit are equal with Jesus Christ.

    1 John 5:6-11 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

    7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

    9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Amen

    Be blessed in His Holy Name Jesus, love u in Christ.
  • Grae - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    With affection and respect . When Jesus said those words he was quoting Psalm 22 . If you haven't read it please do and you will see that it depicts his crucifixion . I think he was quoting this Psalm to the Jews in order to try to make them see exactly who he is and that all this was long ago foretold about him . They should and probably did know that he was referencing this Psalm and maybe it would help them to recognise him and they would repent and be converted . That's what I think .
  • Chris - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    That's true Bob. In His Humanity, Jesus was 'separate' from His Father: the Word of God made flesh ( John 1:14). In the flesh, Jesus faced all the temptations, pain & heartaches that we feel, even as you shared, He felt loneliness by the Father's aloofness at that important time - that is why it's written concerning His Humanity, "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted" ( Hebrews 2:18). Jesus was perfect Man, doing His Father's Will & then to return to Heaven from whence He came. Even as He prayed, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." This little verse alone tells us a lot about Who this Jesus is before He came to give Himself for us.
  • Adam - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I think a mistake would be assuming Jesus's temporary form as a human being was somehow His "only" form, because John 1:1 already said Jesus was God from the beginning. So, yes, as a man, Jesus had intentional limited power as a man. Fully God and man, but choosing to have the constraints and full experience of a man. Obviously His deity-aspect was revealed through miracles, wisdom, clairvoyance of future, and supernatural ability to know people's thoughts and heart, but He prayed to His father like any other man. He could have called 10,000 angels but didn't. Matthew 26:53. So He operated mostly within human constraints on purpose, including experiencing a full human death. God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Bob.

    Here's what's important.

    Galatians 5:19-26. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

    Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, "VARIANCE," emulations, wrath, "STRIFE," seditions, heresies,

    Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

    If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

    Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    God bless.
  • Bob - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Sorta like when Jesus said my God my God why have you forsaken me? No mistake can be made here.
  • Bob on John 14 - 2 years ago
    John 14.1

    A no brainer that Jesus says God and he are two separate persons
  • Gigi - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Chanda

    In answer to your questions:

    The Bible has 66 books without the Apocrypha;

    Which is 14 books. If your Bible has the Apocrypha it has 80. 66+14=80

    Jesus was 33 or so when He died

    The account of Jesus speaking with Nicodemus is in John 3:1-21
  • Chandra Sayles on John 14 - 2 years ago
    How many books are in the bible?

    How old was Jesus when he died on the cross?

    What did Nicademus say to Jesus? What were the question he ask Jesus?
  • Brenda McWilliams on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I'm so glad to be saved by our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazereth!!!
  • Mike samuel on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I believe that john 14:3 refers to the rapture of the churches of king yahshua hamashiach. my reasons are simple:

    1. there are two comings of the lord yahshua after his ascension.

    2. they are the 2.1 the rapture of his churches, and 2.2 the second coming.

    3. at the second coming, he will return to earth as king yahshua at exactly the same place that he ascended to heaven.

    4. at the second coming, he will be coming down from heaven to earth together with all of those who were rapture earlier.

    therefore, when yahshua said that...he will come again to recieve us to himself...this cannot be the second coming but the rapture of the churches of yahshua hamashiach. if we were to come down to earth with him, how can he be recieving us??

    sceptics and even christians have asked the question: "how can the rapture be true when jesus himself did not say anything about the rapture??"

    i am not a theologian but i do believe that the the lord yahshua/yeshua/jesus/yesus/iesous was referring to the rapture of his churches in john 14:3!

    halleluyah..... maranatha.

    mike samuel

    malaysia

    27.12.ad2021
  • Ron on John 14:6 - 2 years ago
    everyone mentions john 3:16,don't get me wrong that verse is awesome but talk about GPS or maps and Jesus provides that and more by letting us know our only way home is there any other way indeed there's not Praise to you Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Mishael,

    Sounds like a lot of fun. Thanks for the invite!
  • English Sacha - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Count me in please .
  • Mishaet - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    I'm hoping for a cabin with a small dock, row boat, tackle, lots of deck chairs and a barn full of animals.

    You're all invited over for horseshoes.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Dee,

    I would like to echo what Brother Chris has shared. As he has shared, that word mansion is the Greek word that means dwelling place. Some believe that we will each get our own mansion in heaven someday, but unfortunately the word MONE in Greek never refers to "mansions" as we know a mansion to be. They are dwelling places.

    But here is something that is interesting. The word MONE is only found in two places in John Chapter 14. Verse 2 and verse 23 are the only two places that the word is found. In verse 23, it is sort of like a bookend. Jesus starts out be saying, "In my Father's house are many dwelling places."

    Now in verse 23, Jesus answered and said if a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our (abode/MONE) with him. Again, same word, MONE. So where's the dwelling place? It's right here. It's me, you, and every other believer who has Christ dwelling in them. We are the dwelling places. Jesus says we will come and make our abode with him.

    Now in verse 2, it makes it sound like Jesus is doing that in heaven. But He has to go in order to come back. He can't send the Holy Spirit until He leaves. He's getting ready to prepare a place for us. But right now, we are the many mansions, or many dwelling places spoken of in John 14:2.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Dee. In the original Greek, the word "mansions" is written as 'Mone'. And this can be translated as 'abode or dwelling places'; some even translate it as 'rooms'. The translators that used the word 'mansions', which is generally considered a 'very large stately building', I think intended to convey the meaning that there are many dwelling places within a large structure.
  • Dee on John 14 - 2 years ago
    What does in my fathers house are mansion?
  • D W L on John 14 - 2 years ago
    John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for (my Father is greater than I).

    Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless (not as I will, but as thou wilt).

    John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but (the will of the Father which hath sent me).
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Sister Dianne.

    Yes, I know you didn't say greater in ability,

    but I just wanted to touch on that while this verse is presented because there's some out there that use that verse in that way.

    God bless.
  • Dianne - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    S Spencer I will be clearer from now on never mean't greater in ability that's impossible. First mistake I ever made in my life. NOT!
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Thanks Brother Jesse.

    Amen The power which was performing those works is working in many believers in diverse ways, so the volume has ramped up, it is the quantity not quality as you said.

    And Jesus was not displaying gifts, He was displaying Power given to him by the Father.

    John 14:10-11. Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

    I have heard several people across the years say we can do greater things than Jesus, when reading that verse, One guy even taught a class and asked when you look in the mirror who do you see? I knew where he was going with this so I said an unworthy sinner saved by the grace of God. He said I was wrong, you are seeing Jesus. You can do the miracles Jesus did if you prayed to the father and it happens all the time! "We can do greater things than Jesus!"

    I asked him can a man raise himself from the dead?

    John 10:17-18. Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. ( I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.) This commandment have I received of my Father.

    Even the Apostles could not do that.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Earl.

    Your Quote:

    but the Spirit performing these miracles through the labour of his SAINTS, CANNOT be seen. Raising the dead (in trespasses and making them alive in Christ, making the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk.

    Same POWER, SAME MIRACLE, one can be seen (in flesh), the other can't be seen (in Spirit).

    Food for thought, the Spirit reveals.

    God Bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Amen Mishael.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on John 14 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dianne.

    Sorry it took so long to respond to you, I am working on my honey do list.

    The works Jesus is talking about in John 14:12. Is his miracles and being that he will gift his disciples with the Holyspirit shortly after his death, to work and perform these same miracles, as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:10. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

    And he also said in Galatians 2:8. (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) The apostles was given the Holyspirit and a measure of grace to take to the whole world to lay down the foundation that we are to build on. Paul said this grace was mighty in him. By the Holyspirit they was able to raise the dead!

    But with all that being said that's not what he wanted the outside world to gaze upon when determining whether they was a follower of him or not. Here is what he wanted the world to see, which was given by the same spirit.

    John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. This was also working mightily in them.

    Here is another example of what the spirit had to do in their lives. listen to the Lord after Peter forbid him to was his feet but then allowed it to be so.

    John 13:12-15. So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?

    ("Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

    If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.")

    For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

    There is a lesson in humility.

    God bless.


Viewing page: 2 of 24

< Previous Discussion Page    Next Discussion Page >

1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11  

 

Do you have a Bible comment or question?


Please Sign In or Register to post comments...