John Chapter 10 Discussion



 
  • GiGi - in Reply on John 10
    Yes, most people were not literate, too. Before the King James Bible was translated, Martin Luther translated the Bible in the common language of German people. (In the 1500's) He wanted everyone to be able to read the Word for themselves to test and see if what was being taught aligned with Scripture. So, God raised up people in that time period to be able to translate Scripture, but also caused the printing press to be invented so that writings could be efficiently printed in masse.

    Such a good, good God.
  • Mishael - in Reply on John 10
    This is my skinny explanation.

    For a long time the Bible was in languages common ordinary people couldn't read. Priests taught the people. The people had no way of knowing if it was truth or heresy.

    People were burned at stake for being caught with just one page of the Bible. They tore the pages out of the Bible and shared them.

    It's a sad story. King James of London set out to see the Bible was translated into English do everybody could read it. The Gospel began to spread everywhere after that.
  • Rick - in Reply on John 10
    Jeanette correction jesus christ appeared to paul, haven't had a cup of coffee yet!
  • Rick - in Reply on John 10
    Good Morning Jeanette The answer is already written in the word, in 2 Timothy 2:15 Gods Says to Study to show thyself approved unto God by rightly dividing the word of truth. Most people will believe one part of Gods Word and not another part or cherry pick so to speak. The words rightly dividing or divide right is actually one word[orthotomeo] which

    means to cut straight or right. What makes this unique it's the only place in the bible this is its usage.

    When we rightly divide the scripture is when we have correct doctrine or correct instruction on how to act and what to do. Due to what man made theology or different religious systems have elevated there belief systems above the accuracy of Gods Intended meaning. Therefore the divisions of the denominations of the believers in the body of Christ. It happened as far back as the Timothy epistles where Paul who appeared to Jesus Christ himself to preach the

    gospel to the gentiles said In Timothy [epistles for leadership] 2 1:15 all of asia turned away from him, that is a remarkable statement, that tells you how bad the division in the body of Christ was back then.

    I do what I do because time and time again God has bared His arm and I have Had signs miracles and wonders all during my life, not that I'm a big somebody because. IT IS WRITTEN! If whatever you have been taught is working stick to it! GodBless.
  • Jeanette on John 10
    Why are there so many translations of the Bible?
  • Eric L on John 10:30
    What shame. Pharisees got the answer they seek yet still not believe. We humans are blind by what we dont understand. Ye are not my sheep that is why you do not believe.
  • Rogvi - in Reply on John 10
    Dear Kathleen. Yes, indeed. The fourth gospel is "The testimony of Eleazar"
  • Chris - in Reply on John 10
    Hello Kathleen. If you read John 21:20-24, we see that the "disciple whom Jesus loved" was reclining against Jesus at the Lord's Last Supper. And it's this disciple who says, "This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true". We know that Lazarus wasn't present at the Last Supper, so he couldn't be the Gospel writer. And we also understand that John, as others, tended not to refer to themselves by name, especially when there was a special Grace being afforded - that they not be the focal point. See 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 as an example from Paul.
  • Kathleen Thornburgh on John 10
    Could it be that the Gospel of John was actually written by Lazarus? I truly believe it was he that was the beloved of the LORD.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 10
    Hello Sherrye. I have looked at those Scriptures you gave & know them well, but I don't get it. You may need to give your exegesis on them because I feel that your understanding of them may not be what I believe. It's unwise to offer comment when there is ambiguity. Thank you.
  • Sherrye Lappin on John 10
    Psalm 82: 6 is the law spoken of in John 10:30

    This is what religion does not teach man. Jesus is taught to be above us. On a pedestal. This was not his teaching. This keeps us down under a goal impossible to achieve. This is the work of the evil one. Read and reread both scriptures until you get it.
  • John on John 10
    Yes I have a question. Do you really respond to questions?

    Thanks.
  • Glenn - in Reply on John 10
    Hi fren , even Thomas, who had been with him , an served, an seen ,. doubted ,.. be strong, stay in the word, pray , an ask your Heavenly Father, for eyes to see an ears to hear,.. he hears you , an already knows what you're going threw an feeling.
  • Dianne - in Reply on John 10
    Paul Some verses to help 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 John 3:1+2, God through Jesus Christ forgives and its available to have a clear conscience, just daily change habit patterns based on the word. Also 1 John 3:20-22, also Romans 8:28-39 or as the saying goes if God is for us who can be against us no one. We are on the winning team. God Bless
  • Paul on John 10
    I so need enough faith as I had in my younger years to follow Jesus, but I have so much doubt.
  • Tim Kane on John 10
    The difference in the Gospel of John from the gnostic Gospels used to bother me. I saw it as more fanciful. But these days I have been viewing it, in part, as a letter to Muslims, to address their issues, written 500 years before Mohammed preached Islam (according to the standard Islamic narrative of Mohammed's biography). This springs out at you in the very first verse, of the very first chapter - which is written in terms that seem out of place but a Muslim would immediately grasp: "In the beginning was the Word,..." and later in verse 14 comes the kicker, "...and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...."

    Most Muslims are programmed to ask: "where in the Gospels does Jesus say 'I am God, worship me.'" (Islam emphasizes the majesty of God and that humans should make themselves slaves of God.) The Gospels of John address these concerns most directly, but Jesus, in John 15:15 addresses the nature of our relationship to God, we are no longer servants, but made friends with God. We are to have an intimate relationship with him.

    But, in John 10:10, Jesus, compared himself directly with Mohammed. You see Mohammed started his career as a warlord first as a caravan robber, a thief. Western Civilization is based upon Christ's teachings (and a few of his commandments) among them are: separation of church and state, search for truth, value truth, avoid falsehood, freedom to search for truth, exercise of that freedom (the theology is worked out in the parable of the Prodigal Son), love and forgiveness. For people living in the West, these principles have given us a more abundant and full life - what a gift!

    Today almost no Christian, living in the West, aspires to live in a Muslim majority country, but almost all Muslims living in a Muslim majority country aspire to live in the west. Islam threatened/encroached Western Civilization for about 1000 years. In that time about half of Christendom was lost to Islam. Today the West walks on the moon, Islam not so much.
  • Aaron cahal on John 10
    God is soo good we need this today
  • Carleton on John 10
    Last week at a Church revival meeting I watched from behind as two visiting ministers who were seated towards the back while youth sang get up afterwards to move towards the front of the building for the preaching service. One minister noticed that the other's suit was caught up in his pants as they started to walk forward and helped *of course his brother by love.

    :)
  • Sandy on John 10
    If you confess being saved can you lose your salvation no matter what you do right or wrong?
  • Tom on John 10
    This chapter of John Jesus explains so much truth , many of our answers can be found in this chapter . To know his voice is the most valuable thing to know , that's where it starts .

    Spending time in the word of God is so very very worth it !
  • Ron - in Reply on John 10:36
    Adam, I know we do not agree, but these are the verses that leaped out to me and is the reason I believe the trinity divides.

    1 John 2:22-24 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

    In these two verses, it is the Son and the Father just like all through the scriptures they are the Son and the Father. And now the Son is on the right-hand side of the Father. When Jesus returns the Father will tell the Son when to come for the Father is the only one who knows that day.

    God exists as three persons but is one being, having a single divine nature. The members of the Trinity are co-equal and co-eternal, one in essence, nature, power, action, and will.

    With all sincerity I feel if I confess the above trinity, I am denying the Son, saying the Son is God, who is by scripture the Father. I do not deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.

    You do not have to reply I just felt you should know the reason I do not believe the trinity.

    May the Lord be with you, Ron
  • D. W. on John 10:36
    The word is so helpful and true, and everyday it will help me and you.
  • Richard in Christ on John 10:36
    The sheep are being separated from the goats, the wheat from the tares. Keep steadfast in your faith my brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Matthew 13:37-43 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Matthew 25:31-34 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on John 10:36
    Thanks, Amen Adam.
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 10:36
    Chris,

    Also, we can look at Philippians 2:6 which says, Who (Referring to Jesus), being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



    2 Corinthians 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

    There is a word in the Greek text that can be defined as the out beam, or radiance of God's glory. It is the word APOUGASMA. It is a word used to describe Christ, being the out beam of God's glory.

    I like to imagine shining a flashlight on a wall in a pitch-black room. The light I see on the wall is Christ. But if I were to take that same flashlight and point it at my eyes, its brightness would be so great that it would blind me. Thus, our image of the Divine Glory of God is enlightened and more vivid by the beauty of the scriptures!

    I believe what the inspired writer of Hebrews wanted his readers to draw is apparent and fitting. Christ is the "effulgence" of God's glory ( Hebrews 1:3) because as the Word, He became flesh so that the grace and truth of God's glory could be seen by all ( John 1:14,17-18).

    Jesus is the true light that radiates forth prevailing over all shades of darkness ( John 1:5). Just as no one can stare directly into the beam of the flashlight or spotlight without being blinded by the extreme brightness, in like manner, none can see the Father because of His Divine Glory.

    But, as the light of the flashlight shines forth from the bulb revealing its essence, Jesus shines forth as the visible manifestation by which the knowledge of the glory of God is declared to all ( John 1:14,18; 2 Corinthians 4:6). For he who sees Jesus beholds the Father! ( John 12:45; 14:9,10).

    Thanks Chris!
  • Adam - in Reply on John 10:36
    Dear Ron, I only see one post by you in this thread and it sounds like you're referring to another thread, so it's unclear what conversation you're referring to or what you believe on the subject being discussed. You suggested that I'm closed off. Actually I've been quite open to get others' opinion on this subject of Jesus's divinity which the Bible is black and white on. But after hearing a variety of arguments, reading, and praying about it, it's clear that satan is working overtime to deceive Christians into doubting the Bible. It's almost unbelievable to witness how some can just completely disregard certain verses because it's inconvenient to them, so they reinterpret it to suit their needs. The devil loves seeing someone doubt and develop cracks in their foundation which then grow and become crevases and canyons. Some here have even admitted they not only don't believe other parts of the Bible either. That's really sad and sickening to hear this.

    John 1:1 - if someone doesn't believe this verse then they are refusing to believe part of the Bible, part of God's Word. It's so simple even 4 year olds can understand it. It's clear what it means and it's cute to read the mental gymnastics some attempt to twist it into something else, but nope, it means exactly what it says, even if you prefer it to not say it. I must ask, what's the real reason for people denying Christ and denying His divinity? Does it take faith for that... or the opposite of faith? Is such doubt from God... or from the opposite of God?

    You said this is defended. Yes, the truth should be defended. Jesus should be defended. Anyone who considers himself a Christian should follow Christ and defend Him, and defend the truth in love. God bless.
  • Chris - in Reply on John 10:36
    And Jesse, just to add a portion of Scripture that I often refer to (& to which bro. Adam has recently & correctly highlighted in another comment), is 1 John 4:1-3:

    "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

    To affirm & confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, is NOT simply a belief that there was an historical Jesus on Earth Who went about doing good & speaking the Words of God - even the devils know that fact (an abundance of references exist showing Jesus dealing with them). But to confess that this Jesus had a pre-existence (to which we now know that He was vitally & inseparably connected to the Godhead from Eternity to Eternity, known as the Word of God ( John 1:1 & Revelation 19:13)), has "in due time" (God's appointed time) appeared to mankind from God to be given flesh & be called the Son of God & to lay down His Life for sinners.

    Any departure from this great Truth was the overwhelming burden on the Apostle John's heart as he had the constant battle before him to warn & protect the children of God from the intrusions of Gnosticism into the Church. And particularly an offshoot of it (Docetism) which taught "that the incarnation was incredible (unbelievable, false), because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". How sad that Christians even today are gripped with that false belief & proclaiming that God, by sending out His Word, could not have assumed a body of flesh (the incarnation). John tells us that the spirit of antichrist was alive & well then as we even see it today.
  • Ron - in Reply on John 10:36
    Dear Adam, you did not say you were addressing me but if you were not please dismiss this. I am not aware anywhere in my post denying Jesus is Lord. Jesus is our Lord and Savior. I have not denied the divinity of Christ. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and was begotten before the world. No one on earth can say how that came to be. Jesus gave up the glory he had and came in the flesh to be sacrificed for our sins. God placed Jesus above every name in heaven or earth and only in His name is salvation. Jesus is the only mediator between us and the Father. He is the High priest that went in once with his own blood and anointed the Most Holy not made with hands.

    Jesus is King of Kings, He is Lord of Lords He is the Lamb of God He is my Redeemer Christ is the first fruits. Jesus sits on the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. He will reign until he puts all enemies under his feet. How much more divine can that be.

    I am sorry if I can not find any scripture that the trinity has anything to do with salvation and if not, it has no effect on being a Christian, causing the denying the divinity of Jesus. I see no reason to tell the definitions of your other post, it would not make you any less upset. With all due respect, I see no reason to discuss this anymore. This subject is so dogmatically defended with no room to discuss. There's more I could say but your words are clear the door is closed. As far as I'm concerned this discussion is over. sorry Ron
  • Jesse - in Reply on John 10:36
    S Spencer, what a great verse, Isaiah 9:6 which speaks of Jesus being the child, and being called among many other things not listed in this verse "The mighty God." I also recall that after Jesus' resurrection, when He appeared to Thomas, and Thomas said to Him, "My Lord, and my God." Notice that Jesus never corrected Thomas for calling Him God?

    There are many places in scripture where Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews understood fully well who Jesus was claiming to be. To the Jewish mind, claiming to be the Son of God was the same as being God. Isn't this why they accused Him of blasphemy, making Himself equal to God?

    Thank you so much for sharing Isaiah 9:6!!!
  • Adam - in Reply on John 10:36
    Amen. People have to do serious mental gymnastics to twist scripture to mean something else. The Bible literally says Jesus is Lord, but some are now claiming Jesus isn't Lord. This sounds awfully familiar, like satan saying Ye shall "not" surely die. The great deceiver always tries to convince people of the opposite, tries to undermine the deity of Christ and tries to diminish, undervalue, erode morals and values. He's busy at work even with Christians and gets them to repeat the lies without even verifying it or praying to God first and asking if that's really the truth. The lies shall be exposed with the bright light of scripture that even young children can understand.


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