John Chapter 1 Discussion Page 25

I don 't know if this print in Greek will come out right but I am trying. The definite article is actually "o " and is the Word. , , . 2 . 3 , In the Beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God. He was from the beginning with God. All things were made by Him....

Actually, in the Greek text, the definite article ho, the, appears before the first God, but there is no article before the second. Regarding the Son s prehuman existence, John says In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. Joh 1 1, NW The King James Version and the Douay Version read In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Again in the Greek text, the definite article ho, the, appears before the first God, but there is no article before the second. Other translations aid in getting the proper view. The interlinear word for word reading of the Greek translation in the Emphatic Diaglott reads In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word. The accompanying text of the Diaglott uses capital and small capital letters for the God, and initial capital and lowercase letters for the second appearance of God in the sentence In the Beginning was the LOGOS, and the LOGOS was with GOD, and the LOGOS was God. These renderings would support the fact that Jesus, being the Son of God and the one used by God in creating all other things Col 1 15 20 , is indeed a god, a mighty one, and has the quality of mightiness, but is not the Almighty God.

Hello Colin Lambert In addition to my response that I gave to both you and Mark, which I hope comes out today or tomorrow, is it hard to believe that the God we serve cannot hold all three positions. He is Omnipotent. He is all powerful. He can do anything he wants to. This is why it is a mystery. Think about it like this, I will use myself as an example, not comparing me to God, but giving an example of what God created. I am a mother, someone 's daughter, a wife, and granddaughter, however it is just one of me. I hold all of these positions but yet it is just me. Man is made up of body, soul, and spirit, but yet all three is housed into one being. Our God did the same with Jesus Christ. John 10 30 Jesus Christ states I and my father are one.

Hello Colin Lambert and Mark When you speak of the trinity, if I understand correctly you believe that there is three separate beings in the godhead, there is not. Jesus does not dwell in the godhead with three other beings. In Jesus Christ all the fullness of the godhead bodily dwells in him. The scripture states the following Colossians 2 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily . There are no three separate beings. Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. John 1 1 states that the Word was God. John 1 3 states all things were made by him. John 1 10 states that He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not . John 1 14 states that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory . You have to ask yourself, who was made flesh? Who created the world? Who walked among them? The answer is Jesus Christ. There is only one being who holds all three offices. The scripture that I gave you even states the obvious, 1 Timothy 3 16. A part of that states God manifest in the flesh. You have to ask yourself, who was manifested in the flesh? The answer is Jesus Christ. In the end, I do not believe in the trinity meaning that there are three separate beings in the godhead. However, I do believe that Jesus Christ was God manifested in the flesh and dwelt among men and we beheld his glory. I do believe that the Holy Ghost name is Jesus Christ John 14 26.

Lets take a toll, How many people believe that Jesus is the sacrifice? How many people believe that Jesus is a manifestation of God

We are left to examine what the bible does reveal about God 's word. unfortunately there are many of us who does not agree as to what the bible does reveal, I personally would love to agree that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, why did Jesus exist to be a sacrifice or a manifestation of God. please help me to understand what is the truth. What was the reason for Jesus 's existence? Was it to be a sacrifice or was it to be a manifestation of God?

It isn 't really a matter of having an open mind as much as what does God say in His word. If God in eternity is a three part person as One God and that is what the bible reveals then that is what it is. Why is this a scary concept? The word Jesus was with God His Father and the Holy Spirit in the beginning not only that the word Jesus was God. To me the scripture is clear. If you can accept that you are a three part person and are made in the image of God, why does it seem strange that God also isn 't a three part God? Not three God 's but co equal and co eternal.

It scares me to have an open mind and consider that Jesus is simply a manifestation of God in the flesh and not God 's son. I think that there is only one God, I do not believe that there is three Gods. I believe that there is God his son and the Holy Ghost all representing God.

Hi Chatuana, Are you saying you don 't believe in the trinity? Did God leave heaven to the angels when He came in the flesh? At the baptism of Jesus did God leave a recording in heaven before He became flesh, left a mannequin in the water to be baptised and then zipped back to heaven to descend in the form of the Holy Spirit? One God in three persons seems to be a better fit. I say this with respect wanting to understand your theological position. Colin Lambert

Hello Colin Lambert and Ben Remembering that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh this is a mystery. There are no three gods to worship. Jesus Christ is God all by himself. There is no other. 1 Timothy 3 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. It is something to think about, as a human born of a woman he drank milk from Mary s breast. As God he made the milk that came from the breast he nursed. This is something to really think about.

Jesus derived his humanity from Mary and His divinity from God. The incarnation is truly a mystery. Did Jesus have a human spirit or the Holy Spirit in His incarnation? Or perhaps a measure of the Holy Spirit or a measure of both? Oh my aching head! Christ was the second Adam and was as Adam should have been sinless. Jesus didn 't inherit original sin because He was sinless. It seems to me that the Spirit of Christ has always been the Holy Spirit. At His water baptism when He was also baptised in the Holy Spirit I suspect Jesus simply had more of Him.

God is a spirit, and humans all possess a spirit as well. The spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and we must remember that we are made in the image of God and not the other way round. So Jesus in the flesh from which humans were fashioned is the image of God our Father, the image we will see on the throne in heaven. Because he was in the flesh, Jesus did not directly refer to Himself as God, though He had every right to as He was filled with the Holy Spirit, and in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead. Jesus is not sitting at the right hand side of the Father as many Trinitarians mistakenly potray, but rather at the right hand of the Father symbolising His position and power. His authority will, at the end of all things being made subject to Him, will then be made subject to the Father so that God maybe all in all. He was not, is not and cannot be separate from the Father. He is in the Father just as the Father is in Him. Just remember that God is omnipresent and the mystery is great.

Hello Mark On the day of Pentecost when there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire and it sat upon each of them. The word cloven means split. The first 120 saints of God spoke in two languages that day. One language was for those who were around them that heard it could understand them glorifying God in their native tongue. They knew that these people had no knowledge of how to really speak in the many different known languages at that time, but they heard them. See back then Galilaeans were thought to be uneducated people. So for the people to hear them speak everyone in their own language they were confounded. The second language that was heard those around them could not understand because that was a heavenly language in which only God himself could understand. It is a new language. That is the language that connects us with God. The people standing around thought they were drunk. The purpose of this demonstration was to show people that when the spirit of the Lord comes upon a person that person will speak a language unknowing to them. I have heard preachers say that they were in China and a woman who was never educated in the English language when God filled her with the Holy Ghost she spoke perfect English and magnified God. This let them know that she was truly filled. When God fills a person with his gift there is a recognition in which both the true believers here and the person themselves know that they said something they do not understand.

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Hello Mark I will give you one scripture that will answer your question. 1 Timothy 3 16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory ". Now my question for you is who was in the flesh? Who was justified in the Spirit? Who was seen of angels? Who preached to the Gentiles? Who was received up into glory? The answer to all of these question is our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. It is a mystery.

lets get it straight, I am a person that believes on the basis that I have heard people speak in other tongues that I know had no knowledge of how to speak in another language. I have herd it many times over and again.

If you only agree that it is God himself that has manifested himself in the flesh and deny the sacrifice, and say God himself sacrificed himself you simply deny the sacrifice of the son. Do you all deny the sacrifice? or do you claim that it was God himself that made the sacrifice?

If we can agree that God his father has given Jesus all power and authority to call him Lord then maybe we could start with the understanding of how we call him lord and God

I believe that there is only one God, and that God happens to be the father of Jesus. I do not believe that Jesus is God. I do not take away from Jesus s sacrifice, the bottom line is who sacrificed? Are you saying God himself sacrificed? Or are you denying the son sacrifice?

Hello Terry Thank you for that scripture. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. He sent back the comforter which is the Holy Ghost in his name. There is only one God.

Jesus says in John 10 30, "I and my Father are one. "

GOD BEGIN HIS FAVOR IN MY LIFE.

Jesus says in John 10 30, "I and my Father are one. "

Hello Linton, 2 Corinthians 9 6 "But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully ". So once again if you choose to give more than what is required by God in his Word, God will bless you according to what he wants you to have.

Hello Linton, In addition to the three part answer that I gave you, which I am hoping they will get printed, I know a lot of preachers tell the rich man or woman to get rid of all of their money and they like to quote the scripture pertaining to the young rich man in the Bible, but this was a lesson for that young man. Jesus looked into this man heart and saw that in the end he loved his money more than the sacrifice he had to make. Unless a true man or woman of God has truly been told to tell a person this then it is not true for every rich man or woman to get rid of their wealth. Listen Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is Omniscient this means he knows all He is Omnipresent this means he is everywhere at the same time He is Omnipotent this means he is all powerful, if God wanted to get rid of a rich persons money he can whenever he wants to. For now know this God is only require a person to pay their tithes and offering. God is not saying that having money is evil. The scripture states 1 Timothy 6 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows . This means that a person will be willing to kill, cheat, rob, they will do just anything for the love of money.

Part 3 of 3 Listen God knows what you have to give. If the preacher is asking for 1000 dollars and all you have is 1 dollar and no other money then this message is not for you. Even the Bible tells us that we are to give according to our ability, Leviticus 14 30 Leviticus 27 8 Deuteronomy 16 17 Acts 11 29 Ezra 2 69 2 Corinthians 8 12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. Now if you want to make a sacrificial offering to the true man or woman of God then remember this you cannot beat God s giving, read Malachi 3 8 thru 12 Luke 6 38. So if you choose to make a sacrifice of your money outside of tithes and offering to a true man and woman of God then this sacrifice is between you and God. And God will bless according to the way he wants. In the end the only thing that God is requiring of man is to pay tithes and offering.

Part 2 of 3 An offering is something that you sacrifice. This can be any amount you are willing to give. Where we get the tenth is from the instructions given primarily in Leviticus concerning offerings. If you read Leviticus if for some reason you do not give all of the tenth of your tithes then you are to pay what you owe God and add a fifth part thereof which is to say one nickel per dollar amount , Leviticus 27 5. If a true man and woman of God is asking for more money for the true Work of God and you want to give more in your offering towards that goal then give what you can.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Linton, Men place burdens on people for profit or gain. Some do this to line their pockets, by telling people to give up all of their wealth to them because Jesus Christ is returning soon and you do not need to take it with you. However, this is a trick of the devil. Because you have to ask yourself this question if Jesus is coming back then why do they need all my money, home, cars, etc.? People have given everything up to false prophets because they do not understand the Word of God. The only thing that God is requiring of man to give is a tenth of his earnings and an offering. This means that one dime out of every dollar is given that you make. You can either pay on your gross or on your net. If you choose to pay on your net then at the end of the year when you file your taxes you pay tithes on it. If you make money on the side by selling something you still only pay a tenth out of that money.

from what i read in the bible i understand the need for giving but do have a problem with giving more of whatever income you may. there was a time when all i could give was a part of my time to God which was a blessing for me. but this 100 fold to 1000 fold giving don 't believe this is what God wanted fro us, can you explain this?

Part 2 of 2 Mark, I mean no disrespect when I say the following, I cannot open up your understanding only God can. My job is to only teach what the Word says about true salvation and the Oneness of God. This is not new. It started in the book of Acts the beginning of the church age. There is a testimony under St. John chapter 14. This young lady was baptized and the preacher called the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. She still has a lot to learn but if she sticks with a true person of God that believes in Acts 2 38 then her understanding will be opened up even more, especially now that she confessed receiving the true Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit of God give utterance. I hope Mark that God blesses you to understand.