Hi Albert. I hope I'm understanding you correctly. "Why do we baptize in a name and Jesus was not (baptized in a name)"? As earlier mentioned, Jesus was baptized under John's baptism, which was a different baptism given to the populace & different again what was done to Jesus. I don't believe a name was necessary on both counts as John was baptizing the people indicating a contrition of sins but had no future perspective on how those sins were going to be dealt with. John was simply a forerunner & a proclaimer - announcing the One coming after him, so I can't imagine any Name requiring to be used for Jesus' baptism.
Whereas post Cross, as Peter/Paul baptized & also the Church did so since that time, water baptism had a different meaning to John's baptism. Christian baptism now looks back to the Cross & with an identification of the new believer with Jesus, indeed the Godhead (Father, Son & the Holy Spirit). As Jesus instructed His disciples to baptize (in Matthew 28:19), so His disciples would do accordingly. But when we look at Scriptures such as Acts 19:1-5, it appears that the Trinity formula is missing. But as we read, the believers at Ephesus had only received John's baptism & not 'believers' baptism'. So then Paul baptized them in the Name of the Lord Jesus. I don't believe that the 'trinitarian formula' was specially avoided, but simply a notation that the two baptisms were different, i.e. one was according to John, the other according to Jesus (i.e. His Sacrifice). Some believe that the formula has since changed, avoiding the 'trinitarian Name', but I see nothing to prove that was the case - nor would it even matter? I wouldn't throw a fit if I heard it this way. The significance of baptism shouldn't be lost is what's important, I believe.
Great question. i found in scripture mathew 28:18-20 summarized, says we are to go into all the world teaching and preaching the gospel baptizing in the name of the father, in the name of the son jesus, and holy ghost.
We can only guess Albert, what John the Baptist said when Jesus, or any other person, was being baptized by him. In the case with Jesus, John could have said: 'To fulfil all righteousness as you have declared, I baptize you the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world'.
I don't believe that John would have baptized Jesus or anyone else in a name. For the people, his baptism was because of their declaration of their sins & the need of repentance. Of the Lord, His baptism was entirely different, involving the inauguration of His Ministry, obedience to the Father to fulfil it, & a foretaste of His Coming death, burial & resurrection. At the completion of His Baptism, the Father gave His 'full pleasure of His Son' & the descent of the Holy Spirit as that visible confirmation of this special Man & His Calling. Just my thoughts about this brief part of our Lord's Life.
Fully agree Richard & GiGi. I think of Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 4:15-19, where any depiction of God as holding any form that can cause man to look towards the image thereby misdirecting his worship, is completely forbidden. Sadly, in many Churches & homes this important Truth is discarded.
Hello Richard. Yes, it seems the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove. You are right in saying that The Holy Spirit is a Being, however, He is Spirit and in His essence does not have a form. He is everywhere present, just like the Father. God the son now exists as Jesus-fully God and fully man (with a glorified body). If the Holy spirit in His essence had a form, He would therefore by localized in time and space, but he is not. This omni-presence allows the Holy Spirit to both fill all the universe and reside in each believer personally simultaneously. God is so awesome.
My bible says that the holy spirit came out of the heaven's as Jesus's was being baptized like a dove it is not written that the holy spirit was a dove. My bible says he the holy spirit came in a bodily form not the form of a dove but descended like a dove. When a dove is landing it makes a whispering soft gentle sound that is very peaceful spirit filled and gentle as soft wind. The holy spirit is a being not a gas a vapor or a ghost. The Holy Spirit was here when God formed the heavens and the earth .Back in Genesis when god said let's us make man in our image The Holy Spirit was there and so was God and his son who now sits on the right hand side of his Father. So Where is it stated that the holy spirt came descending out of the heavens in the bodily shape of a dove. As new translations of our HOLY BIBLE are made we have some need for wisdom as to understand that we should not get away from the fact that Gods written word is not to be changed to how we want it to read.
By bringing us the word , he expected us to not fall prey to the deception, that'll be supporting the anti- Christ,.. that we all seek knowledge threw prayers an repentance,..
No human has ever seen God in His true essence, which is Spirit. God dwells in unapproachable light, so when He manifested to men He would surround Himself with things like clouds, pillar or fire, etc. because any sinful human cannot see Him and stay alive. This has to do with His absolute holiness and that He is as a Spirit is invisible to our mortal eyes.
Jesus, however, is the eternally existing Son of God as well as fully human. Prior to becoming Jesus, the Son of God was in the Father's bosom, meaning they were One unity though each a distinct person. They, along with the Holy Spirit existed in this Triune Oneness eternally before creation, and are still unified forever. The difference now is that the Son is still Jesus, God and Man. So, Jesus, the Son, knows the Father and has seen the Father from all eternity. They at inseparable in their unity but also distinct persons from each other. So all three persons in the Godhead eternally view each other in love and adoration. They have eternal fellowship, unity of will and all share the divine essence that no one else in all of creation has, complete, infinitely perfect eternal Life. All the Persons of the Trinity possess this divine essence maximally, infinitely, and communally.
Thankfully, God's eternal plan and purpose in creation is to share Himself with a creation who chooses His salvation in His Son, Jesus. Without Jesus, no man could ever be acceptable to have communion with God. I am very humbled when I consider the greatness and magnificence of God knowing I cannot comprehend so much about Him, but I can know Him within the limits of my creatureliness and be richly blessed and satisfied in all He provides for me in this life and more so in the next .
It says in John 1:18 that no man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
The word begotten in the Greek text means unique. The only one who is in human form that represents God, the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
That is quite a statement! It is the relationship of the Word to the representative of God to man. First of all, nobody has ever seen God at any time. Nobody! The only one, (the only unique one) who has come from God, who is in the Father's bosom, (another word of equality), because He and the Father are one as He tells us in John 10:31.
He, that is Jesus Christ, He has declared God. The word for declared is EXEGESITO. That is where we get our word exegesis from. An exegete is somebody who takes something apart and declares in detail the facts about a subject.
There are the three principles being taught about Christ: in existence, in equality, and in essence.
In Existence: The only begotten Son Existed in the bosom of the Father.
In Equality: Bosom of the Father means that He is one with him.
And thirdly, In Essence: Jesus is God in human form.
In other words, if anybody wants to know about God, they go to Jesus Christ. He is not just a prophet. He's not just a rabbi. In the Christian faith and Biblical Christianity, He is God in the flesh, 100% God, 100% man!
In the text it says the one and only to mean "only begotten". The scripture mentions that the Spirit of God genetically put into Mary his seed. The offspring would have been holy his name is Jesus. He is the sacrifice that takes away our sin once and for all. Acts 2:38 shows us how to receive his salvation by the one who was given the keys to the kingdom. This is the only sure way to salvation.
Jesus did see inside his heart, but He had to let it be and Gods will and purpose had to come to completion. If not Judas Iscariot then who was going to betray, The Son of God, so that redemption, and Salvation could be our's by going to Calvary, for that is the very purpose of His Birth, to fulfill what man could not do of himself, God sending His only Begotten Son to make a way back to the Father by His Precious Blood! That through HIM we ALL get saved! That is what Love truly is all about! The sacrifice of the ONE outways the perishing of the many!
when you have a problem and you need help don't be afraid to tell people and if they make fun of you then tell them that it is not right. you can recover from enything but you cannot forget.you can be your self but you can not be sombody your not.
You are right, there is so much that is not given in scripture so most is conjectural.
I also believe Adam lived in a different environment for lack of better terms, "Before sin entered the world."
A big question that troubles me is the word naked. It seems it carries more of a spiritual meaning than nudity often in scripture.
I believe often it's the opposite of being clothed with righteousness in a way mentioned here in Isaiah 61:10-11.
The question is was Adam and Eve naked spiritually before eating of the tree of "knowledge of good and evil and perhaps they were clothed in a way mentioned in Ezekiel 16:7-15. We know good and evil existed long before Adam. "But they had no knowledge of it until they ate if the fruit. Look at Genesis 3:17. in that context, ( AND THE EYES OF THEM BOTH WERE OPENED,)....( and they knew that they were naked;...) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
I believe as you do Adam and Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
I believe in the Gap theory, Not as some do and try to fit the Dinosaurs into that gap or any other life existence that we know of, I believe they were all created in the Genesis account. I believe Lucifer may possibly have had a dominion here on earth in that Gap.
Here's why. Ezekiel 28:13. ( Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; ) every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
The account in Genesis Lucifer has already fallen, He's not adorned as mentioned in Ezekiel 28. " I believe this fallen mentioned here is positionally. and. "Down to Earth."
Brother, on part one, this is something I will have to study more, I agree with what you are saying but it seems empty, if you know what I mean. Because the first Adam, before he sinned is unlike any mortal man since he sinned, his body was not born in corruption like ours, sin was not in him. We know man cannot see Gods face and live, Exodus 33:20-23, until the new heaven and new earth, Revelation 22:3-4 in our glorified bodies.
Going by Exodus no man can see God's face, so is that after sin or does that include the first Adam? If so, how did God communicate with Adam? He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus that dwells in us like you said by the blood of Christ shed on the cross. We see that even after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain was the first to be driven from the presence of God, Genesis 4:13-16.
Are the cherubim and flaming swords a shadow of the ark where God sits between the cherubim? Is that why they were in the presence of God?
I feel the first Adam and the last Adam Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:4. However God communed with the first Adam he was part of this plan that Satan could not see, up to the crucifying of the last Adam, the only begotten Son, Satan was blind to this because he did not try to stop it. Like what He tried to do with Job he thought he could get Job to curse God to His face, which he also failed.
The questions here is more for me to study not to you.
I know the first Adam could not bring eternal life but I feel the first Adam was the start of the plan of salvation, and the undoing of Satan. and the penalty of it was death, that was eternal death, and the first sacrifice for sin that God covered Adam and Eve with skins of innocent animals, as you said a picture of what His Son would do for us. The first Adam initiated the purpose for the last Adam Jesus Christ and the defeat of Satan.
I was relating to the conscience before, the word naked in Genesis 2:25 is a word arom that means just what is says unclothed. They were innocent or we could say ignorant to nudity until they ate of the tree and they knew they were nude, their eyes were opened, their conscience filled with shame and fear of judgment, that is why they tried to hide. The word in Genesis 3:7 -rum-mim is a different word meaning nakedness with shame. I feel when God said, "where art thou" is like a father calling out to a child he knew where he was but to see if he would show himself.
Adam was afraid for his disobedience, it is like a thief that heard a siren, he runs to hide to avoid the punishment. Lord God YHVH Elohim instead of God Elohim the name used from Genesis 1, until after day seven Genesis 2:4? Elohim supreme one or mighty one the creator, in chapter 1 God only created without any reaction with what He had created. YHVH Elohim Master, communicator, He started communicating with Adam as a Father would a son.
Not all was written, like with Cain and Abel, Abel brought of the sheep he kept and Cain brought of the plants of the field. Abel brought of the firstlings, but it does not say Cain brought of the first fruits. It is not written so; do we assume because Cain did not bring a blood sacrifice is why his was rejected? According to Genesis 1 they were to eat plants?
I have enjoyed this, and will continue studying, may we always walk in the Spirit of truth.
Lets look at Genesis 2:17. But of the tree of the (knowledge of good and evil,) thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Let's take Genesis 3:7-11. ( And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Verse 9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, ( Where art thou?)
Here in verse 9. I don't think God is speaking of their location, I think He is speaking of their condition.
"No one can hide from God."
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and ( I was afraid, because I was naked;) and I hid myself.
" It's Interesting Adam is afraid because he was naked, rather than his disobedience."
Verse 11. And he said, ( Who told thee that thou wast naked? ) Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Genesis 3:22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
It seems the text goes a little further than just their disobedience, There's a lot of emphasis on being Naked and knowing it. Sinful flesh exposed Maybe? The consequence of knowing is where the threat lies! Why? Perhaps so they want attempt to cover themselves when Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began. The blood of Christ was to be their covering. That's why I hold the view God provided them covering from a blood shed sacrifice pointing to Christ.
Gen. 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Have you noticed verse 21 "LORD" God is used? The covenant name, This where the sacrifices started and the sacrifices pointing to Christ. It was taught to Cain and Abel. Only after the resurrection GOD spirit would Dwell "IN" man.
As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.
RECAP.
As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.
The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.
( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )
( Hebrews 10:14-22. )
Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )
Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )
Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a
( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.
Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.
Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:
"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.
If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.
In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.
Thanks for responding, I had to go back review my reply to see if I had another type error. I can see where the confusion may have occurred. The first paragraph of Page 2 of my post was a continuation from Page one where I said " 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.
Meaning if Adam had God Spirit "IN" him as mentioned in 1 John 3:9. He can not sin, so he would have remained in the Garden. But he didn't and he was convicted a was driven out.
Hello S.Spenser , I'm having a problem accessing the thread . However , from memory , you said something about not believing that Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life , you said something about them already having life in them . I believe that the tree of life is a foreshadow of Christ . I directed you to the scriptures that refute your belief . Sorry if I misunderstood you .
Whereas post Cross, as Peter/Paul baptized & also the Church did so since that time, water baptism had a different meaning to John's baptism. Christian baptism now looks back to the Cross & with an identification of the new believer with Jesus, indeed the Godhead (Father, Son & the Holy Spirit). As Jesus instructed His disciples to baptize (in Matthew 28:19), so His disciples would do accordingly. But when we look at Scriptures such as Acts 19:1-5, it appears that the Trinity formula is missing. But as we read, the believers at Ephesus had only received John's baptism & not 'believers' baptism'. So then Paul baptized them in the Name of the Lord Jesus. I don't believe that the 'trinitarian formula' was specially avoided, but simply a notation that the two baptisms were different, i.e. one was according to John, the other according to Jesus (i.e. His Sacrifice). Some believe that the formula has since changed, avoiding the 'trinitarian Name', but I see nothing to prove that was the case - nor would it even matter? I wouldn't throw a fit if I heard it this way. The significance of baptism shouldn't be lost is what's important, I believe.
Matthew 28:19 Jesus says
Matthew 28:20 Jesus says
I don't believe that John would have baptized Jesus or anyone else in a name. For the people, his baptism was because of their declaration of their sins & the need of repentance. Of the Lord, His baptism was entirely different, involving the inauguration of His Ministry, obedience to the Father to fulfil it, & a foretaste of His Coming death, burial & resurrection. At the completion of His Baptism, the Father gave His 'full pleasure of His Son' & the descent of the Holy Spirit as that visible confirmation of this special Man & His Calling. Just my thoughts about this brief part of our Lord's Life.
Romans 6:3, Mark 10:38,
Acts 8:12-17, Acts 11:16, Acts 19:1-5, Acts 2:38,
Jesse has explained this well.
No human has ever seen God in His true essence, which is Spirit. God dwells in unapproachable light, so when He manifested to men He would surround Himself with things like clouds, pillar or fire, etc. because any sinful human cannot see Him and stay alive. This has to do with His absolute holiness and that He is as a Spirit is invisible to our mortal eyes.
Jesus, however, is the eternally existing Son of God as well as fully human. Prior to becoming Jesus, the Son of God was in the Father's bosom, meaning they were One unity though each a distinct person. They, along with the Holy Spirit existed in this Triune Oneness eternally before creation, and are still unified forever. The difference now is that the Son is still Jesus, God and Man. So, Jesus, the Son, knows the Father and has seen the Father from all eternity. They at inseparable in their unity but also distinct persons from each other. So all three persons in the Godhead eternally view each other in love and adoration. They have eternal fellowship, unity of will and all share the divine essence that no one else in all of creation has, complete, infinitely perfect eternal Life. All the Persons of the Trinity possess this divine essence maximally, infinitely, and communally.
Thankfully, God's eternal plan and purpose in creation is to share Himself with a creation who chooses His salvation in His Son, Jesus. Without Jesus, no man could ever be acceptable to have communion with God. I am very humbled when I consider the greatness and magnificence of God knowing I cannot comprehend so much about Him, but I can know Him within the limits of my creatureliness and be richly blessed and satisfied in all He provides for me in this life and more so in the next .
It says in John 1:18 that no man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
The word begotten in the Greek text means unique. The only one who is in human form that represents God, the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
That is quite a statement! It is the relationship of the Word to the representative of God to man. First of all, nobody has ever seen God at any time. Nobody! The only one, (the only unique one) who has come from God, who is in the Father's bosom, (another word of equality), because He and the Father are one as He tells us in John 10:31.
He, that is Jesus Christ, He has declared God. The word for declared is EXEGESITO. That is where we get our word exegesis from. An exegete is somebody who takes something apart and declares in detail the facts about a subject.
There are the three principles being taught about Christ: in existence, in equality, and in essence.
In Existence: The only begotten Son Existed in the bosom of the Father.
In Equality: Bosom of the Father means that He is one with him.
And thirdly, In Essence: Jesus is God in human form.
In other words, if anybody wants to know about God, they go to Jesus Christ. He is not just a prophet. He's not just a rabbi. In the Christian faith and Biblical Christianity, He is God in the flesh, 100% God, 100% man!
Hope this helps!
You are right, there is so much that is not given in scripture so most is conjectural.
I also believe Adam lived in a different environment for lack of better terms, "Before sin entered the world."
A big question that troubles me is the word naked. It seems it carries more of a spiritual meaning than nudity often in scripture.
I believe often it's the opposite of being clothed with righteousness in a way mentioned here in Isaiah 61:10-11.
The question is was Adam and Eve naked spiritually before eating of the tree of "knowledge of good and evil and perhaps they were clothed in a way mentioned in Ezekiel 16:7-15. We know good and evil existed long before Adam. "But they had no knowledge of it until they ate if the fruit. Look at Genesis 3:17. in that context, ( AND THE EYES OF THEM BOTH WERE OPENED,)....( and they knew that they were naked;...) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
I believe as you do Adam and Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
I believe in the Gap theory, Not as some do and try to fit the Dinosaurs into that gap or any other life existence that we know of, I believe they were all created in the Genesis account. I believe Lucifer may possibly have had a dominion here on earth in that Gap.
Here's why. Ezekiel 28:13. ( Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; ) every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
The account in Genesis Lucifer has already fallen, He's not adorned as mentioned in Ezekiel 28. " I believe this fallen mentioned here is positionally. and. "Down to Earth."
until next time.
GBU.
Brother, on part one, this is something I will have to study more, I agree with what you are saying but it seems empty, if you know what I mean. Because the first Adam, before he sinned is unlike any mortal man since he sinned, his body was not born in corruption like ours, sin was not in him. We know man cannot see Gods face and live, Exodus 33:20-23, until the new heaven and new earth, Revelation 22:3-4 in our glorified bodies.
Going by Exodus no man can see God's face, so is that after sin or does that include the first Adam? If so, how did God communicate with Adam? He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus that dwells in us like you said by the blood of Christ shed on the cross. We see that even after they were cast out of the garden they were still in the presence of God because Cain was the first to be driven from the presence of God, Genesis 4:13-16.
Are the cherubim and flaming swords a shadow of the ark where God sits between the cherubim? Is that why they were in the presence of God?
I feel the first Adam and the last Adam Jesus Christ is all part of Gods plan that was before this world and I feel it involves Satan because this plan, that was before this world, included the lake of fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels, Matthew 25:4. However God communed with the first Adam he was part of this plan that Satan could not see, up to the crucifying of the last Adam, the only begotten Son, Satan was blind to this because he did not try to stop it. Like what He tried to do with Job he thought he could get Job to curse God to His face, which he also failed.
The questions here is more for me to study not to you.
continued
I know the first Adam could not bring eternal life but I feel the first Adam was the start of the plan of salvation, and the undoing of Satan. and the penalty of it was death, that was eternal death, and the first sacrifice for sin that God covered Adam and Eve with skins of innocent animals, as you said a picture of what His Son would do for us. The first Adam initiated the purpose for the last Adam Jesus Christ and the defeat of Satan.
I was relating to the conscience before, the word naked in Genesis 2:25 is a word arom that means just what is says unclothed. They were innocent or we could say ignorant to nudity until they ate of the tree and they knew they were nude, their eyes were opened, their conscience filled with shame and fear of judgment, that is why they tried to hide. The word in Genesis 3:7 -rum-mim is a different word meaning nakedness with shame. I feel when God said, "where art thou" is like a father calling out to a child he knew where he was but to see if he would show himself.
Adam was afraid for his disobedience, it is like a thief that heard a siren, he runs to hide to avoid the punishment. Lord God YHVH Elohim instead of God Elohim the name used from Genesis 1, until after day seven Genesis 2:4? Elohim supreme one or mighty one the creator, in chapter 1 God only created without any reaction with what He had created. YHVH Elohim Master, communicator, He started communicating with Adam as a Father would a son.
Not all was written, like with Cain and Abel, Abel brought of the sheep he kept and Cain brought of the plants of the field. Abel brought of the firstlings, but it does not say Cain brought of the first fruits. It is not written so; do we assume because Cain did not bring a blood sacrifice is why his was rejected? According to Genesis 1 they were to eat plants?
I have enjoyed this, and will continue studying, may we always walk in the Spirit of truth.
God bless,
RLW
Part 2. Genesis 2:25.
Lets look at Genesis 2:17. But of the tree of the (knowledge of good and evil,) thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Let's take Genesis 3:7-11. ( And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;) and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Verse 9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, ( Where art thou?)
Here in verse 9. I don't think God is speaking of their location, I think He is speaking of their condition.
"No one can hide from God."
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and ( I was afraid, because I was naked;) and I hid myself.
" It's Interesting Adam is afraid because he was naked, rather than his disobedience."
Verse 11. And he said, ( Who told thee that thou wast naked? ) Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Genesis 3:22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
It seems the text goes a little further than just their disobedience, There's a lot of emphasis on being Naked and knowing it. Sinful flesh exposed Maybe? The consequence of knowing is where the threat lies! Why? Perhaps so they want attempt to cover themselves when Christ was ordained to come into the world before the world began. The blood of Christ was to be their covering. That's why I hold the view God provided them covering from a blood shed sacrifice pointing to Christ.
Gen. 3:21. Unto Adam also and to his wife did the "LORD God" make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Have you noticed verse 21 "LORD" God is used? The covenant name, This where the sacrifices started and the sacrifices pointing to Christ. It was taught to Cain and Abel. Only after the resurrection GOD spirit would Dwell "IN" man.
Hebrews 10:14-20.
God bless.
Part 1.
As I promised once I settle back at home I would reach out and continue our dialog on the 1st Adam and 2nd Adam.
RECAP.
As I said I don't believe God dwelled "IN" Adam. Below is some of the previous references below.
The spirit now dwells in us only by the blood of Christ cleansing of the temple.
( 1 Corinthians 3:16. )
( Hebrews 10:14-22. )
Therefore we have boldness to enter into Gods presence and so would have Adam "if" Gods spirit dwelled in him. He would have never been moved out of the Garden because of ( 1 John 3:9. )
Here is the difference between the 2 Adams- ( 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. )
Verse 45- And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a
( quickening spirit.) "Life giving spirit." Whether Adam sinned or not he could never give us eternal life.
Verse 46- Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. We also inherit that which is natural not because Adam sinned, " Because he was made a living soul. So is our 1st birth.
Here is a quote from part 1 of your reply:
"When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.
If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12)." End quote.
In part 2 I will address the view I hold on Adam and Eve being naked.
See Part 2.
Thank you.
Thanks for responding, I had to go back review my reply to see if I had another type error. I can see where the confusion may have occurred. The first paragraph of Page 2 of my post was a continuation from Page one where I said " 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.
Meaning if Adam had God Spirit "IN" him as mentioned in 1 John 3:9. He can not sin, so he would have remained in the Garden. But he didn't and he was convicted a was driven out.
I will tie into the thread again this weekend.
Thanks and God bless.
Here's a reply from you to me after I replied to Brother Ronald.
" You may think whatever you like but you cannot deny or ignore what is actually written in Genesis Ch3 Verse22+23 ."
I'm sorry but I don't understand. can you help me with this? Thank you in advance.
God bless.