Job Chapter 1 Discussion



 
  • Prasanth Konde on Job 1
    i just want to know how satan enter into the kingdom of heaven and met Jesus . Source : Job 1:6.

    Before created world satan was not in the heaven ,he was pushed from heaven to down. there is no place for satan in the king dom of heaven.
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    Hello Prasanth. The question you ask is a valid one & because the Scriptures are not entirely clear on all the events pertaining to Satan's origin & despatch, we can only formulate an opinion based on what the Scriptures do reveal. Therefore, we can get many opinions on this, even yours could be valid. So, as you've asked the question, let me give you my understanding using a timeline.

    a. When God created all things in Heaven (He Himself being un-created), all heavenly beings, etc. were created in eternity past. This was before the creation of the worlds, of man & of other things for the Earth. In Heaven, God created beings such as cherubs, seraphs, beasts, etc., which all had a particular function before God & which constantly worshipped Him ( Ezekiel 10:1-22; Isaiah 6:1-8).

    b. One cherub, which was "perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" ( Ezekiel 28:15), is reference to the one the Bible calls, Lucifer ( Isaiah 14:12). Although, the Ezekiel reference is directly to the King of Tyrus, the wording suggests that the spirit within the king is being addressed & described. Lucifer desired to sit in God's place ( Isaiah 14:12-14), therefore he was cast out of Heaven onto the Earth.

    c. And Lucifer, also called Satan (in Book of Job), was there in readiness to deform God's perfect creation (man & woman) in the Garden of Eden, that they too might become like him, filled with evil & opposing God & all that is righteous & holy ( Genesis 3:1-19).

    d. Though Satan was cast to the Earth, he still has access to Heaven, even as he presented himself to God with the other angels ( Job 1:6,7) to accuse Job (even as he does us: Revelation 12:10). Satan is not chained or confined to Hell now - he roams freely to deceive the nations ( Revelation 20:3) & will make his final thrust through the coming Anti-Christ, the personification of Satan, just as King Tyrus was. But he will one day be locked up for good ( Revelation 20:7-10).
  • Prasanth Konde - in Reply on Job 1
    Sir,

    I need one more clarification , Jude 1:6 says it was chained and locked untill the judement day. I just want to know howmany highrank angels are fallen from the kingdom of heaven and trouble to our mankind.

    .
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    Neither Jude 1:6 nor 2 Peter 2:4 tell us how many angels followed Satan in his rebellion, Prasanth. Some Bible students might use Revelation 12:3,4 referring to Satan taking with him one third of the angelic host with him, but the narrative is too vague in my opinion & Revelation itself is not always in sequential order.

    So, I cannot vouch with any certainty about the number of angels but my sense is that it would have been a great company of them, not just a dozen or so. And then of course, if the fallen angels were kept in everlasting chains awaiting Judgement Day, does the demonic activity of old & present days, represent the spirits of those angels? It's hard to have certainty & form conclusions.
  • DR DEBOAH JACKSON on Job 1
    What type of tree noar used to bulid the arc
  • Dianne - in Reply on Job 1
    Hi Dr. Gods word says gopher wood which is cedar or cypress wood. Gen. 6:14 God Bless
  • Ashlee Arrington on Job 1
    Waking at 3am. Where can i find it in kjv bible
  • BSP on Job 1
    At the end of the chapter we see that Job stayed faithful to God and he didn't blame God for the trials he was facing.
  • Eric Lopez on Job 1
    I remember hearing an iteration of this story, but in spanish. Now I know that it comes from this book and chapter.

    Satan proved wrong and Job still did not sin or curse God for what was taken.

    Good moral to the story.
  • Sf on Job 1
    don't see your self as a mere person if you believe in Jesus Christ.

    i've been seeing myself as the old self but i need to see my self as the believer in Jesus Christ.

    be not conformed to the world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

    Blessed be the name of the Lord.
  • Richard in Christ on Job 1
    Matthew 13:16-17 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

    For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

    Matthew 13:47-50 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

    Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

    So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

    And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  • SF on Job 1
    Satan wants us in the feelings, reasoning, will realm.

    But Jesus showed us to stay on the word.

    John 6:33

    Tells us God's word is spirit and life.

    It's not soul and death.

    So we don't have to understand it just believe it
  • Sacha - in Reply on Job 1
    Hi SF ,i believe you are correct ,i dont think any of us can honestly declare that we totally understand every thing in the Bible completely and i dont believe we have to ,obviously there are certain things that we should know and believe if we are to be saved and call ourselves Christians ,as for historical accuracy and events we can only put such interpritations on things up to a certain point as we were not there ! Hundreds of years ago people were reading the same words as we are and they thought they knew what everything was about based on their knowledge at that time . I do believe ,just like thousands of others living hundreds of years ago ,that we are in the end times and im very very excited by this !
  • Sf - in Reply on Job 1
    thanks for responding. check out Lester Sumrall teachings on spirit, soul, and body on youtube.

    God bless you.
  • Thomas moyd on Job 1
    what did Job do when his wife said you should cuss your GOD
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    Job reprimanded her: Job 2:10.
  • Diana Rose Rezzetti on Job 1
    According to the bible how is the best way to handle sex temptation
  • Mishael - in Reply on Job 1
    I'm single. I keep Deuteronomy 30:19 in my head when temptation is near. It's about choices we make. It's saying choose this day who you will serve: life or death. Sin works death.

    We're told in 1 Corinthians 6:18, flee fornication. It actually means run! So I get busy doing things I dislike: straightening the pantry, linen closet, tools, until the temptation passes. It's helps to notice what started the temptation: watching worldly things on tv, reading romance novels instead of the Bible. It's spiritual warfare ( Ephesians 6) so sometimes we need to put that helmet of salvation back on our heads.

    I Corinthians 7 actually teaches about marrying, to avoid burning with lust. Marry someone who is a Christian too, to avoid being unequally yoked.

    Apostle Paul never married, so he's a good one to read in the Bible.
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    The message is always: FLEE, FLEE, FLEE. 1 Corinthians 6:18, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."

    Other sins may have an impact on oneself, whether immediate or in time. But fornication is sin that has immediate effect on both the body & mind that will eat away & lead to destruction.

    But a person won't flee unless it is determined that danger is present. One has to look at the Scriptures, all the way from Israel's behaviour in the Old Testament to some Christians' behaviour in the New Testament, that the warning about sexual sin is everywhere. Once we understand the gravity of this sin, as other sins also, we will not come to the Saviour for salvation & receive His Power to overcome. Mostly we sin when tempted because we enjoy sinning & maybe believe that God cares not or easily forgives us when we do. James 1:15. However, some Christians are not on guard against the enemy's taunts to sin, & easily fall into his traps. Whatever our reason, we must know that any sin displeases the Lord & if we should stumble & fall into sin, there is still a place of repentance & forgiveness for us. 1 John 1:9.

    The ways to handle this sin or any sin, is to first know your position as a child of God, purchased at a great cost. You belong to Him & it is God's desire & should be yours too, to refrain from all sin & all appearance of evil. That's not always easy & we can succumb to temptations: we need to strengthen our minds & hearts from God's Word (i.e. read & meditate on it daily); we need to be in much prayer about that area of weakness in our lives, that the Spirit's Power will avail for us at the moment of testing; when temptation knocks at our door, we turn the other way, we run to the Lord; put your mind, your hands, your body to other good uses; even mix with company that don't open up a way of temptation or sin for you, rather ready to support & help you. May God help you.
  • Stephen on Job 1
    Adam: re: "...what his God did to him..."

    Doesn't Job 2:3 have God telling Satan that Satan has caused God to move against Job?

    It seems to me, (I'm no scholar, mind you,) but it seems to me that this statement from Job's God confirms that Job's God DID do those things to Job.
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    Stephen, I think you're responding to another thread with Adam, so apologies for this intrusion, but thought to clarify something here.

    If you're considering the God/Satan encounter in Job chapter 2, you need to bring in Job 1:6-12 into it as well. You've quoted 2:3 (part): "and still he (Job) holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me (God) against him, to destroy him without cause." When you read this, you also have to take into account chapter 1.

    I don't believe that God was moved by Satan against Job in chapter 2 simply because Satan had already "moved" (or, prompted, persisted, challenged) God to test the integrity of Job in chapter 1. Therefore, what we have in 2:3 is the statement that God was 'moved by Satan against Job', as this was done earlier on.

    So can we conclude that it was God Who instigated & carried out those acts against Job & his family/animals? The normal reading of both those encounters with Satan, show that God had declared the righteousness of Job to Satan. Now, we're not told what Satan was up to earlier as he went "to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Maybe, he was seeking out 'targets' & had a room full of trophies as a result, but couldn't find fault in Job (just my thoughts only). But God had presented righteous Job before Satan as one different from the others. Satan took up the challenge & it was 'game on' - again.

    God could have refused Satan permission to touch Job in the way he did. Though God was confident that his servant Job would put His Creator & Redeemer ( Job 19:25-27) first in everything, even to the destruction of his loved ones & his own body.
  • John - in Reply on Job 1
    Hello, God allowing something is not the same as God causing something.
  • Thomas - in Reply on Job 1
    what was the ladys Name in the bible that Suffered for 12 years with blood disorder
  • Chris - in Reply on Job 1
    Her name is not given in any of the three Gospels - she was just an unknown woman with great faith.
  • Isaac awuah on Job 1
    what is the meaning of Job 1:8. why did God initiated the conversation
  • Paul Chikwali - in Reply on Job 1
    Where was this meeting of God's sons and God,because we read that Satan was cast down from heaven,so at moment was he in heaven?.
  • Yvonne dennis - in Reply on Job 1
    the sons of GOD was in the HEAVENLY throne room read job1;6 -1;7 -1;8 and also Ez28:12
  • Fred - in Reply on Job 1
    He is in heaven behind Christ for Christ told Satan get there hence and he will be there until he is cast down by Michael at the sixth trump
  • Mishael on WE39RE IN THEY39RE OUT on Job 1
    Remember that study I did called, THEY'RE OUT, and WE'RE IN now. Romans 3:29

    We're in till the fullness of the Gentiles is accomplished? Romans 11:25-26

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, Lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part, is HAPPENED to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (finished).

    And so, all Israel Shall be Saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (The Jews).

    That's why I say that Gentiles are IN now.

    The whole thing is DETAILED in Romans 11:7-11. Please read it!! Romans 10:2 and Romans 11:12, 15, 18-22 READ IT SLOW

    There are some warnings in there if you are a Gentile. No boasting, no judging, no smirking. Just leave it alone!!!! Keep your salvation secure. No hateful commenting.

    They are blinded. Their ears are closed up by God. Their eyes have scales on them. Why?? For us Christians!! " The Election"

    Romans 10:19. Deuteronomy 32:21. Our love for Jesus is supposed to make them envious. What a happy, cheerful, non- judgmental Jesus Loving Bunch we are?!?!

    Yes they are into all manner of idolatry and occultism mixed with Jewish ritualism. It has to have a lot of emptiness in it, if God is not speaking to you.

    IT could happen to us if we can't learn (from scriptures above) to keep our yaps closed. We are WARNED.

    If one person yaps, another person does; soon the whole neighborhood is barking and no one is listening to God!!

    I think God would love it if we would get over our self-righteous, judgmentalness. They probably don't even know they are OUT.

    I will not speak on this again. I'm dropping this ball... you pick it up.



    I made banana bread. Come get a handful.
  • Lynn on Job 1:2
    Biblical fact: Job had SIX daughters. We are told the names of the youngest 3.


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