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  • Kathleen Sue Wood for verse 6
    I wonder about the theories for "beneh ha elohim". I understand that in some cases it can be interpreted to mean that elohim does not always refer to our one great God, the Father. In some cases if uncapitalized elohim may mean godlike humans as in various rulers and magistrates, kings, mighty leaders in the earth. So that may not mean the phrase necessarily refers to angelic beings. Even in Job 1:6 it may be that various rulers or persons present themselves to God in prayer and petition. This makes sense in context, then, because Satan says he comes from walking up and down in the earth observing others of mankind. I am concerned that some circles seem to focus on the term "bene ha elohim" or sons of god by suggesting these are demonic entities that had intercourse and children with human women. I don't think there is any scripture that supports that concept especially when Jesus teaches that angels do not marry, etc. in the new testament.
  • Mishael on WE39RE IN THEY39RE OUT
    Remember that study I did called, THEY'RE OUT, and WE'RE IN now. Romans 3:29

    We're in till the fullness of the Gentiles is accomplished? Romans 11:25-26

    For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this MYSTERY, Lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that BLINDNESS in part, is HAPPENED to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in (finished).

    And so, all Israel Shall be Saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (The Jews).

    That's why I say that Gentiles are IN now.

    The whole thing is DETAILED in Romans 11:7-11. Please read it!! Romans 10:2 and Romans 11:12, 15, 18-22 READ IT SLOW

    There are some warnings in there if you are a Gentile. No boasting, no judging, no smirking. Just leave it alone!!!! Keep your salvation secure. No hateful commenting.

    They are blinded. Their ears are closed up by God. Their eyes have scales on them. Why?? For us Christians!! " The Election"

    Romans 10:19. Deuteronomy 32:21. Our love for Jesus is supposed to make them envious. What a happy, cheerful, non- judgmental Jesus Loving Bunch we are?!?!

    Yes they are into all manner of idolatry and occultism mixed with Jewish ritualism. It has to have a lot of emptiness in it, if God is not speaking to you.

    IT could happen to us if we can't learn (from scriptures above) to keep our yaps closed. We are WARNED.

    If one person yaps, another person does; soon the whole neighborhood is barking and no one is listening to God!!

    I think God would love it if we would get over our self-righteous, judgmentalness. They probably don't even know they are OUT.

    I will not speak on this again. I'm dropping this ball... you pick it up.

    I made banana bread. Come get a handful.
  • Biblical fact: Job had SIX daughters. We are told the names of the youngest 3.
  • T F H
    The story of Job is difficult. It wants us to believe in certain Godly behaviors which contradict all that we have been taught.
  • Sally
    We've been taught wrong. The bible teaches us the right way. Do the first and second commandment Jesus told us to do.
  • Sally
    Look at things in the spirit Job knows he is a spirit and the body doesn't last. He wants to be with God forever like all of us who know this truth.
  • Sally
    I met he doesn't want to be WITHOUT God for eternity.
  • Ruben Hartness
    Thomas Hills IV--Job 1:1, 6-12 Job 2:1-6. Satan said he could have Job eating out of his hand turn him away from God. God told Satan to have a try but save his life. This was to show Satan how Job loved worshiped God. Job suffered but never lost faith in the lord. Satan lost. No old time tale--the bible is true correct.
  • Thomas Hills
    Ruben, I don't want to argue with you. Obviously you're a true believer and a person of strong conviction but just think for a moment, as if you never heard of a God. Say perhaps you lived on an island and all you knew was the sun, moon, stars and the ocean. Then a man appears and tells you about Job and what his God did to him. What then, would you think of this God? Honestly.
  • Adam
    "Job and what his God did to him" - why do you assume God harmed Job instead of Satan? If someone commits a heinous crime today would you not attribute that to someone who was deceived by Satan into doing evil? God doesn't tempt or deceive us, Satan does. Do you think Satan is bad?
  • T F H
    Adam why does God allow Satan to exist?
  • Shulammithi
    Some times it helps to introduce the faith people to the world like job
  • Adam
    That's a good question and the Bible doesn't seem to offer a clear explanation of that. It says Satan will be destroyed in the end. In the meantime Satan shows evil in the world, a clear contrast from good. Makes good and evil easy to distinguish. So perhaps that is utilized in a sense for people to choose who they want to follow. Why do you think he exists?
  • T F H
    I don't know. If Satan wasn't here to temp us we could all live a pure life as Jesus wants us to live.
  • Thomas F Hills
    So, you are saying that God offering up Job to Satan knowing full well Satan would try to destroy Job's faith in God was not a bad thing. And all that transpired after that, was just through the actions of Satan. God holds no responsibility for his part in the deconstruction of Job. Oh, how would you like to have your children killed and then someone sends over replacements?
  • Freedomborn***
    Did I blame God for the death of my Babies No I was still believing I came from an Ape and He was made up but He has assured me I will be United with them in Heaven which I give Heartfelt Thanks for. What the others have shared here has much Truth Thomas but I have heard others say simular to you even Believers but to have Heart Understanding we need God's Wisdom which we ask for Proverbs 2:1-7 - Annie
  • Freedomborn -Grannie Annie.....
    As promised Thomas I'm going to share how our God of Love brought Good out of Satan's evil. In the early 70s I was the first Woman to have an Ultrasound for Pregnancy they were trying to save my baby and find out why I and other Woman were loosing their babies. What they found out has saved 1,000 of Babies all around the World, it's a Blood disorder called The Rhesus Factor. Thomas God Loves You.
  • Freedomborn - Grannie Annie
    Thomas in referance to Children being killed I had 7 Children 3 were Stillborn the others died at almost 5 mths gestation God is Love and Love cannot do evil Satan is evil and cannot do Good God brought Good out of the Evil that Satan afflicted on me and on other Pregnant Woman I will share how soon God has also filled my Heart and Arms with Children all my Life I have Wonderful Joyful Memories
  • Thomas F Hills
    I respectfully think if someone commits a heinous crime, that was by their own free choice or free will to do so. That person may have been influenced by environmental factors or driven by genetic imbalances or imperfections and yes, one might say they had a devil in them but, not literally. I know I am getting off the subject of Job but, perhaps not.
  • Ruben Hartness
    I would have to be put in that situation. Common sense would have to take over. I would probably listen to him but I would ask where did you get this info. God, who I wouldn't know at that time, gave me the power of discernment if I didn't know about God, I'd not know anything about this man. Show me proof-Who is this Job who is God? Who are you? God would handle the matter. I DO believe.
  • Thomas F Hills
    Rube, Keep this simple. Don't over analyze it. The story is about a God and if the man needs to explain what a God is then he will . The story has a Satan and so goes that also and the victim is called Job or Jim I don't care . Just listen to the story, and you tell me if you think what this God and Satan conspired to do to Job or Jim was fair or reasonable or for sport or kind or evil?
  • Ruben Hartness
    This isn't a sport--God proved to the world He is LORD. He proved to Satan that Satan could NOT win a true believer over no matter the trial. He knew Job fit that description. Job never lost faith, have you? Yes Job suffered but he is now in the bosom of Abraham and Satan is in the pit. God loves His children and doesn't play games. Upgrade your faith to understand. It's your discernment.
  • Thomas F Hills
    Ruben, I don't know what I believe. I honestly envy those who can go through life thinking that God is watching over his children but it is so very hard to do when you see all of the crimes committed by man without any intervention for the life of the innocents. And you know, it wasn't just Job, what about his servants, children and the poor animals? Satan lost nothing, only a bet.
  • Titus N. G.
    Nowhere in God's word is this account stated as a folk story. All of the books refer to the events as literal happenings. By discrediting the hardships of Job you are also discrediting James 5:10-11.
  • Ruben Hartness
    Also Tutus, James 5:11,12. We don't forgive God--He will forgive us of those who believe NOT and what our Lord has done for His children.
  • Thomas F Hills
    We have already been forgiven. Jesus dies on the cross for all past, present and future sins so that we may all have eternal life. All sins have been forgiven forever. So, everyone will go to heaven, everyone. I guess Satan or no Satan, it doesn't matter. And if the story of Job is for real and since I have free will, then no, I do not forgive God for his actions.
  • Ruben Hartness
    All I can say is have a good trip. I pray that sometime, someway, your eyes and ears will open to the greatness of God. I can't tell you what to believe or what church to go to for learning more of God's teaching but I am betting you will someday go to your knees and ask God's forgivness for judging Him who created you. May God bless you.
  • Adam
    "All sins have been forgiven forever. So, everyone will go to heaven, everyone. I guess Satan or no Satan, it doesn't matter."

    These 3 sentences are untrue. Romans 10:9, John 1:9 One must become a Christian follow Jesus to be saved. Matthew 7:13-14 - most WILL NOT be saved and will go to hell. One of satan's lies is to convince people he doesn't matter or doesn't exist 1 Peter 5:8, 1 John 3:8.
  • Thomas F Hills
    "A Christian is a man, woman, or child who has experienced a spiritual new birth through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. That new birth is a gift of God, through Jesus Christ, given by the grace He freely offers to all". Anyone who lives a good life as directed by Jesus would be considered a Christian. No church, No organization and No Temple makes a Christian. It is between God and man.
  • Thomas F Hills
    Adam, Where does it say that one must become a Christian to have eternal life?

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