Isaiah Chapter 53 Discussion



 
  • Giannis - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Dear Enid

    Sometimes we have a wrong impression of God's people mentioned in the Bible. We think that they are invulnerable like robots or angels or they should be like that. But they were ordinary people like me and you. Having the same passions, struggles, failures, good and bad times, their up and downs just like everybody else in the world. Just like us. What made them exceptional is that they regreted and repented for what they had done and went back to God to be forgiven. Of course one has to be very careful not to fail but we are sand/soil and will eventually fail sometime badly or less badly.(hopefully not that bad).The Bible gives a true description of their personalities. Not like biographies written by men for some great men in the world that idealize them and write nothing about their errors. David was one of them. Sure he has done things that hatdly anybody does. But he was a man after God's heart because he was always ready to admit his errors/failures and repent. Not like Adam who tried to justify him by blaming Eve. And don't forget that he was severely punished by God sometimes, and also he was not allowed to build a temple for God as his son Solomon did .All those people, good or bad, are examples for us now for what to do and what not to do.

    GBU
  • GiGi - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Hello Enid.

    Yes, It is said of David that he was a man after God's own heart. From reading the account of his life, it seems that he was a man who sinned like all of us, but came to God repentantly for mercy regularly. He was a devout believer in God. Scripture, on the whole speaks well of David.
  • Enid bissember on Isaiah 53
    pondering on the life of David . He seemed to have been a troubled man who was surrounded by confused persons and was torn between good and evil. he had a mixed up family but yet he always cried out for mercy. do you think david was truly repentant. tha is a question i have even reading the psalms
  • Rick - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Robert Rogers That's like oil on water, Judaism still believes in doing the over 400 laws in the old testament to be righteous for God for sin committed.

    Christianity paid for by Jesus Christ accepting what was accomplished by God through Him which was actually fulfilling the law of Love. Gods love Mathew Love God with all your heart soul mind and strength and thy neighbor as thyself. Can't be done without being born again and walking by the spirit better known as agapeo in the church epistles.
  • Rick - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Jesse I consider the Book of Romans to Doctrinally be the Magna Carta of Christianity! In His Service
  • THE ELECTION OF THE GENTILES - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    GALATIANS 3

    7. Know ye therefore that they which are of FAITH, the same are the children of Abraham.

    8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify THE HEATHEN through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall ALL NATIONS be blessed. [Jews and Gentiles]

    22. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them THAT BELIEVE.

    23. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

    24. Wherefore the THE LAW [Moses] was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    25. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

    26. For ye are all the children of God BY FAITH in Christ Jesus.

    27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    28. There is neither JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus.

    29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    If you will search the scriptures in the New Testament on, THE ELECTION, you will learn that by going to the Cross, Jesus RATIFIED (put in force, as in Legal) the New Covenant.

    The Old Covenant was torn (in the Temple) from bottom to the top. The veil was enormous, and only God could've done that.

    We await for the TIMES OF THE GENTILES to be completed. We're close! It has been almost 3000 years.

    Mishael comment: I believe that when the New Testament believers are 'caught up in the clouds' by Jesus;

    The ELECTION will pass back over to the Jews.

    The sudden absence of the Jewish believers in Jesus Christ, will show the Jews left behind that Jesus was indeed, the MESSIAH they had anticipated for thousands of years!

    Scales on eyes and ears will fall off. They will experience the Election.

    Some will stoically cling to disbelief. they will suffer for it.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Robert Rogers,

    When it comes to salvation, Judaism and Christianity are in opposition to each other. I'm not sure that they complement each other at all. One is salvation through keeping the law (Judaism), and the other is salvation by grace (Christianity).

    A great study on the difference between the law and grace would be Galatians. It was written because false teachers attacked Paul's ministry and message that salvation was through grace alone, without the deeds of the law.

    The Judaizers professed to be believers in Jesus as Messiah. Their doctrinal approach was that the Gentiles were not in a position of Sons of the Covenant to receive the promises of God until they became Jews and they followed the Law. The first law they said that Gentiles must keep is circumcision.

    The form of the letter of Galatians was different from all of the other letters written by Paul. It's the only letter not containing a commendation. Paul did not commend the Jewish believers in Galatia because they were mixing law with grace. It is the only letter written by Paul that's addressed to more than one church.

    Galatians is a very important book that gives us the difference between Judaism and keeping the law, verses Christianity, salvation by grace alone, through Christ alone, apart from the law.

    Galatians is a shorter version of Romans. Romans is considered the Constitution of the Christian Faith. If we only had the book of Romans, we would have everything we need to know about the Christian faith. Galatians is considered to be the Declaration of Independence of the Christian Faith. Our independence and freedom comes through Christ, not the keeping of the law.

    Back then, when a Jew would crossover from Judaism to Christianity, it would cost them dearly. Their family would disown them, they would lose their job, and they would not be allowed in their own temple. They would be persecuted. It was as though they were dead to their fellow Jews. It's not much different today!
  • Robert Rogers on Isaiah 53
    I need help with analyzing the cross over from Judaism to Christianity. How do they really compliment and connect. Additionally, how do they divide from each other.
  • Aaron on Isaiah 53:5
    Isaiah 53 is in reference to what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us on the cross.

    He was wounded for our transgressions (it was our old sinful lives which put the Lord on the cross in the first place)

    6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
  • David Jones on Isaiah 53
    The One Verse you wish you'd known when you where in Israel
  • Helena loves Jesus Christ on Isaiah 53
    Praise the Lord! I wanted to first give honor to my Lord and savior Jesus Christ because all the honor and glory belong to the Lord.

    Be encouraged and let us press toward the mark Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

    I thank God for the King James bible online and all the other things it offers and I use in my daily bible study, I copy and paste the scriptures to share with others.

    I would like to share youtube-Honest News Network-Brother Joseph Skinner, It has helped me with the closer walk with the Lord.

    Honest News Network, a Bible based broadcast Ministry, reconciling the World unto Christ, one soul at a time. Brother Skinner is an Ambassador for Christ, called by God not by man and given the ministry of reconciliation in these last days.

    Anointed and sent for the purpose of the gathering together and equipping of the Saints. Brother Skinner's love for the Truth is clearly demonstrated by his passion in his service to God and His Son Jesus Christ our Lord. Lifting his voice like a trumpet and sounding the alarm in hopes of awakening those that have fallen asleep.

    God bless everyone and may the Lord keep everyone under his wing of safety Psalms 17:8 and my prayers are with everyone.
  • Sach - in Reply on Isaiah 53:1
    Oh Lou ,that was lovely ,perfect and concise ,thankyou .
  • Lou Contino - in Reply on Isaiah 53:1
    Christ felt the physical, emotional & spiritual pain that our sins had us bound in. Only Christ could feel it and remove it from us. Though once we accept Christ's Righteous Covering to remove our sins and free us from judgement, we take on the pain for others who may still be in sin. Our desire becomes Christ's desire to want to bring others to Christ for His glory.
  • Rose on Isaiah 53
    Isaiah 53 is a heart reaching chapter.v3

    Here it refer to Jesus wounded for my congression bruse for my inequity

    He was not guilty, I am but He did it all for me.

    That's love.
  • Lou on Isaiah 53
    Behold the Fifth Gospel that came 700 years before Christ Jesus arrival on earth as the King/ Servant/ Man & God. This will be The Nation of Israel's confession in the very end of times, as it is written in past tense. When The Nation of Israel shall confess that Jesus is the Christ and Blessed and that He came in the name of Lord. Jesus even told The Nation of Israel this, in Matthew 23:39. So in the end after the two witnesses of Moses and Elijah are gone, when The Nation of Israel is surrounded and about to be wiped out by adversaries, their eyes will be opened and they will confess Isaiah 53 and Herald Christ's Return. God will save His People. A remnant yes, but He will do it. Believe God, He Brings us The Truth.
  • Victoria Lawrence on Isaiah 53
    Good Job
  • Charles R Peek - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    John Chapter three is just an overview; First Corinthians chapter fifteen verse three and four is the Gospel to the Gentiles during the age of grace, and if you believe it you are born again into God's family.
  • Hughalfredhargrovesr on Isaiah 53
    It takes the blood of jesus to wash away your sins that when you are born again . St. John ch 3. This is the only way to heaven amen.
  • Gloria on Isaiah 53:1
    Does the Bible say that we as Christians can feel others physical pain
  • Jack Gutknecht on Isaiah 53
    Fanny Crosby hymn on Isaiah 53:4-6

    1. Thro' the sacrifice of Jesus the Lamb,

    Thro' the blood full atonement is made,

    He has carried all our burdens of sorrow,

    And on Him our transgressions were laid.

    Refrain

    There is peace thro' the blood,

    Thro' the precious blood He offers so free;

    There is peace thro' the blood,

    O that precious blood is flowing for me.
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 53:7
    Genesis 9:11 tells us that God promises to not use a flood to destroy the Earth & its inhabitants ever again as He did in Noah's days. Rather, it will be by fire ( 1 Peter 3:5-7). What we're seeing as destruction & loss of lives by fires, floods & earthquakes, are normal phenomena that have been occurring throughout history. However, it appears that their appearance now seem to come with greater frequency & force, to which one can conclude will eventually usher in the full extent of God's Anger (the Great Tribulation) that will be poured out upon the God-forsaking, Christ-rejecting World.
  • Tanya Boler on Isaiah 53:5
    A friend reminded me that we all need to be reminded of this daily
  • IVAN LEO STRICKLAND on Isaiah 53
    Here is laid a firm foundation for the trembling sinner to rest his soul upon. We are the purchase of his blood, and the monuments of his grace; for this he continually pleads and prevails, destroying the works of the devil.

    There can be no more important chapter in all the Bible than this one. For in this chapter is found that our soul can be saved by the lord Jesus 700 years before his birth. And while here on earth with the living that has very little meaning to most. Its when time is no more and eternity begins that having a saved soul is all that ever mattered in the beginning of life to the end. Not health- we all die...Not wealth...we lose it all the day we die. In the end. We can have a saved soul and go to heaven IF WE SO CHOSE thanks be to Jesus.
  • Joanne - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    Did not intend to instill sadness. Sad is bad. Smiles are better.

    Thank you for your words. God is good.
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 53
    That was so sad to read, yet a wonderful testimony of God's Spirit's Work in you at a time of such great grief & loss. You have cast yourself upon the Lord's Mercies & He has ministered His Word of comfort to you in return in wonderful ways.

    Having lost both my parents at an earlier age, I too can relate how wonderfully the Lord undertook for me, "to give unto (me) beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that (I) might be called (a tree) of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified". Isaiah 61:3. And that's what it is: that He might be glorified in us in every way.

    Whether in joy or grief, health or sickness, in the light or darkness, He is there - He is YHWH-Shammah (The Lord Who is Present - Ezekiel 48:35), the Lord Who never leaves or forsakes His children. Your rich memories, in your heart & in visible things around the house, will always be precious - maybe bringing in a tear or some times of great sadness, but still keeping his memory special & precious forever - till we meet again, indeed! Walk on in the joy & strength of the Lord, dear sister.
  • Joanne on Isaiah 53
    My husband of almost 50 years died recently and I had great peace, and was not sorrowful. At first I had mixed feelings about this and almost felt some guilt but and then the Spirit in me reminded me that Jesus not only bore my sins on His cross, He also bore my sorrows and grief. What wonderful, loving words. Our Lord also left me retain wonderful memories of my dear partner, and I do miss him, but know we shall meet again as we gather at the River.
  • Alex on Isaiah 53
    Comments by Alex about tithes and offerings the Law. Now our tithes are our bodies,present your bodies a living sacrfice etc. Our bodies are his temple as he said abide in me and i in you. Jesus has no respect for buildings made with mans hands. The new covenant is Christ in you the hope of Glory, He died for humanity not for Church buildings. He wants to be born in us sinners hearts not in your temple made with hands. Thats y he always refered to himself as the SON OF MAN, He wants to be born in our hearts not in some church building. Read Philipians 3 v 8 KJV Paul says i HAVE SUFFERED THE LOSS OF ALL THINGS AND COUNT THEM BUT DUNG THAT MIGHT WIN CHRIST and be found in him etc This is PAULS TAKE ON TITHES AND OFFERINGS I HAVE SUFFERED THE LOSS OF ALL THINGS AND COUNT THEM BUT DUNG THAT I MIGHT WIN CHRIST ETC.Paul had his eyes on JESUS and nothin else not on materialistic things. Like JESUS said set your effections on heavenly things. Labor NOT for the bread that perishes but for that bread that endures unto everlasting life. The Kingdom of God is not in meat or drink but in joy and peace in the H.G.What happened to early Christinanity, Jesus gave them up till she that goes into travail has given birth,and Catholicism came in which was of the devil. Joel said how do the priests and the ministers do mourn for the NEW WINE HAS BEEN CUT OFF FROM THEIR MOUTHS. THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO EARLY CHRISTIANITY IT WAS CUT OFF.It was a great Army but it was cut off till the woman gives birth which is the 2 nd coming Ezech. died bones testify of early Christianity that was cut off. Jesus said 4 times i will raise them up AGAIN the last day. My lil children of whom i travail in birth AGAIN. YA remember Batheheba had to travail a 2 nd time for the child of Promise. Jesus had to anoint the blindman a 2 nd time b/f he cd see clearly. It was the 2 nd wine that was the best wine that 3 rd day wine, we are in the 3 r day now. Catholicism/religions tried to come in and deceive humanity.
  • Alex on Isaiah 53
    Comments by Alex about his death and resurrection which is gonna fulfill the LAW. Sin in the transgression of the law. But if them that are born of God cannot sin b/c his seed the living word is with in them ( Christ in us ) then the LAW IS FULFILLED simply b/c them that are born of GOD cannot sin, Its gonna make it impossible to sin when his kingdom is with in US Christ in US ETC. And thats how he will fulfill the LAW. We will all love God with all our hearts and our neighbors as ourselves, Love is the fulfillment of the LAW. But there is no divine love without Christ in us. The seed that is gona remain in us is the H.G. the seed of God our husband etc. Thats what true conversion is all about, we are gona birth a baby Christ THE SON OF MAN, THE H.G. THAT IS GONNA RULE ALL NATIONS, Simply b/c he is gona be born in the hearts of every man,remember Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains,He was trying to tell us something everytime he refered to himself as the SON OF MAN,Mankind is gonna birth a baby Christ making it impossible to sin,Thus fulfilling the law, thus we will keep the commandments b/c we cannot sin,its gonna be impossible to sin simply b/c the manchild our new innerman is God,The new covenant is a birthing covenant he is gona put his seeds WORDS in our hearts and minds, THUS A NEW INNERMAN WHICH IS OUR NEW HEART AND NEW SPIRIT, That new heaven and new earth is simply our new innerman which is Christ in US, his seed and his name is that new earth and new heaven as Isaiah said.If we birth the Child which is the H.G a living being via his seed the Word we will keep the commandments remember the woman in rev 12 who births the Child keeps the commandments simply b/c the CHILD IS THE kingdom our king the SON OF MAN ETC OUR FRUIT UNTO GOD. All the law will be fulfilled simply b/c Christ is gona live with in US. ya think that we are gona go around breaking the law while Christ is living with us no. them that are born of GOD CANNOT SIN. gbu
  • Alex on Isaiah 53:5
    Comments by Alex about Isaiah 53 which is tied into the great Promise of multiplication of his seed etc. That Great Promise where the FATHER swore by his very self. This is how JESUS the Sheppard explained it, Smite the Sheppard and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my Hand to the littles ones, Little ones imply Children via his seed the Children of Promise ( multiplication ) which is the H.G.that is gonna lead us into all truth(HEALING US ) Spritually and physically. She brought a man Child that is gonna lead us into all truth which is the H.G. the Child of Promise. Even in modern times seeds are beaten that they might produce a bigger crop. The result of his beaten was that the Promise might be fulfilled, That he might be multiplied as the stars of heaven by his seed the living word the very seed of God to whom the word came it made them Gods ( the babes and the sucklings ) which are spirits as GOD is spirit th H.G. THAT CHILD OF PROMISE,Whosoever receives one such child in my name receives ME But had he not died there wd have been only 1 Christ but b/c of his death he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven that was the great Promise thus every man will be healed by his stripes, By his stripes we are healed Bornagain etc That great CROP of his are Gods to whom the WORDS came ( HIS SEED ) it made them Gods. WHEN SEEDS ARE BEATEN THEY MULTIPLY. 39 STRIPES IMPLY A FULL TERM PREGNANCY THE WORLD WILL BIRTH CHRIST B/C OF HIS DEATH. The blood and the water that came out of his side imply a Birth, the little ones Zech speaks of imply our 1st born our only son the Children of Promise via his stripes / death etc but 1st we will have to go thru a time of Mouring for our 1st born our only son the multiplcation of Christ in humanity b/c of his stripes/death.The prophets saw the whole world in travail and birth pains for the Children of PROMISE THE H.G. PROMISE CHILDREN,Thats y he was calling for Elijah to come and turn the hearts of the father to the Children.
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 53:5
    David, this portion of Isaiah (52:13 to 53:12) refers to the coming suffering Servant of God. Traditional Jews & the early Christians acknowledged that this passage referred to a future Messiah, however in the 12th Century AD, a view emerged that this referred to Israel & is generally considered so today by them. However, the passage specifically speaks of a man & Jesus Christ is that Man Who has fulfilled the prophecies given about Him of His suffering & crucifixion.

    With that said, verses 2-5 of chapter 53 speak of His crucifixion: having been despised & hated by the Jewish hierarchy for His preaching, His miracles & His denouncing of their wicked hearts & practises (v 3), He was ultimately put to a Roman Cross, by the urging from the Jews, where He was purposed by the Father to be, for the bearing of our sins, the Just for the unjust (v 4).

    And so verse 5, further describes the agony of the Cross as well as the cost of our pardon: it was for our sins that He died, it was for a restoration of peace between God & sinner that He came, and it was by His suffering & death that a spiritual healing has taken place: a glorious pardon & a restoration to God's Favour & acceptance. We contribute nothing at all to this salvation: it was all done by the Lord Jesus & God's Mercy to us & only our repentance & faith (which is God's gift to us anyway), are required to avail of salvation's gift.

    Isaiah hardly knew the full implications of this prophecy that God had given him. Though some who walked closely with the Lord & suffered for Him in those days, knew that "God (will provide) some better thing for us, that they, without us should not be made perfect." ( Heb 11:40). They knew that the sacrificial system would end & that God would one day provide His Lamb for not only their sins but for the world; yet the world disregards & spurns His glorious offer.


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