Isaiah Chapter 45 Discussion


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  • Grungebyte for verse 7
    From Gwynn Matthews on Isaiah 45:7

    >>I truly believe that God created good and evil so that we can have a choice...

    More to the point, Free Will is the single best gift God the Father has given us. No other entities that God has created in the entire Universe has been so gifted. We human beings are unique.
  • Grung for verse 7
    It's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. In fact it is exalted by not only King Cyrus but the 3 Magi who came to Jesus on His birth after following the star from the East - or Persia.
  • Grungebyte for verse 7
    it's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. Actually there is one other but it is merely a sect of the oldest living religion that Christians think is a 4-letter word.
  • NATASHA CAMEO BLACKSHER for verse 7
    2nd esdras 2:18
  • Here is the chapter and verse I forgot to include Isaiah 45:7
  • Patty Tozi for verse 7
    So much unrest going on. Just like Revelations shows. God warned us. Mankind and the evilness will destroy now what we once knew. Today l look at all the creations God put for us. He always wanted the best for us. Mankind destroyed it. God is a Mighty God. He takes and takes mankinds greed of me me me. The Evil laughs when we destroy it. God gets angry. I always have wrote about how He put the Earth for us because His Love is so Strong. I know. I had a after death. Saw Heaven. Saw Jesus and His Father. Saw the book of Life. Saw his Strong Light of Love for us. I would never hurt Him. I came back to show others His Love. Did not want too come back. But they had me doing something in the end days. I had a Destiny I had to do. I felt Hell going back down the tunnel. Beware all of you that don't have God in your Life. Beware....in these days. Everyday now is not your own. That virus that started this is going to come back worse then ever. Wars..space travel. Comets from the sky...weather as never before...will take everyone by surprise. You will be controlled more and more. Food...gas...where you go..how you had your freedom will silently close in on you. Seek every day your families and friends -and what you do -to the fullest. Always Praise our Mighty God for letting you have another day....Read His words and get on your knees for help. Stand Strong!!!
  • You did not see God.

    That was Satan...

    Exodus 33:20
  • Abimael for verse 7
    Isaiah was the first one to learn about the messiah (Jesus Christ).
  • Gwynn Matthews for verse 7
    G.W. Matthews

    I truly believe that God created good and evil so that we can have a choice. He doesn't want robots but people who would want to love Him. That's why I believe He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the mist of garden so we can have a choice. He loves us that much. He didn't want to force us to love Him but freely love Him. It's God good.
  • Chris for verse 7
    Gwynn, you're on very dangerous ground to believe that God created both good & evil. I had an uncle who also said similarly & he believed that since we have good & bad things on Earth & since He is Supreme, that God also created evil. How wrong & foolish he was. God can never be a creator of anything evil. Either God is Good or evil, not both. Can the Devil also share this inconceivable trait? Never, he is altogether evil. How about humans? Some say we can be both good & evil. The Bible teaches us that all of us are inherently evil (Romans 3:23) (i.e. we all have a sin nature passed down generations from our first parents), that even if we commit the smallest sin, then the whole person is a sinner. (1 Corinthians 5:6 speaks about a little leaven = sin, leaveneth the whole lump). God is Holy. There are many, many references to this, but apostle John gives us a vision of Heaven & sees the heavenly beings cry out "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD God Almighty, which was, is & is to come" (Revelation 4:8).
  • Michael My Phong for verse 7
    I am here
  • God doesn't create evil, but allows evil, because he allows freewill to choose right or wrong. Satan is allowed to tempt us just as God allowed Job to be tempted and tested. We are all being tested while here on earth.

    BTW, Chris I think its risky to call someone foolish or a fool because of Matthew 5:22.
  • Chris for verse 7
    Adam, thank you for alerting me to Matthew 5:22: re: fool. That Scripture refers to the use of the word (Raca) when it is directed to the person in anger: Thou fool = you worthless, good for nothing idiot. How you can apply that word usage to describe someone's thoughts or standing before God as a risky position is beyond my knowledge of our language. Should I clarify further with Scriptures, of which there are many & you would be well aware of: Galatians 3:1,3; Matthew 7:26; 25:2,3,8; Romans 1:21, 2:20, 10:19. In all these references, which are akin to my usage, the word 'foolish' is lawful in its use, & not to be associated with direct 'name calling', which is undoubtedly under girded with the sin of anger. Blessings.
  • Not everyone would see it that way. God bless. Matthew 12:36-37
  • Bob Hilt for verse 7
    Greetings Adam, I overall agree with your statement that the Lord did not create evil however....

    Isaiah 45:7 I (Lord) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    Darkness is absence of light. The Lord created everything good as in Genesis 1: 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    All God created was good, no evil yet Job 38 records the sons of God shouting for joy at the foundation of the earth. So they must be angels since Adam did not exist till 6 days after the earth. Lucifer was in existence and been good.

    Ezekiel 28 records the fall of Lucifer

    Verse 15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

    Created, not born or formed...

    Yes God created Lucifer good who you point out rightfully that he had freewill to fall and he became evil. Since God created all he did evil to
  • Marie for verse 7
    I believe everything God created is good, man has created evil.
  • Jesse for verse 7
    Amen Marie,

    If I might add, in the creation account back in Genesis, if you notice during creation, after day one through day 6 of creation, after each day it says it was good. But if you notice the seventh day, it doesn't say it was good. That's because we are still in the seventh day right now. And during this entire time frame, man has been evil.
  • Debra for verse 5
    Thank you for that most beautiful answer Bob..I have been praying that God would reveal His answer to me..and He has fulfilled that prayer request through you....Blessings Brother..
  • Debra Cox for verse 5
    The Jews believe Christians are blasphemers because we believe in God the Father, Yeshua/Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit..Why does God proclaim to be the only God in Isaiah when John 1 tells us that in reference to Yashua/Jesus..the world was made by him for him and through him and God the Father calls Jesus/Yashua god in Hebrews 1:9
  • Chris for verse 5
    Debra, Bob's metaphor of man's three parts is apt, as also with the Sun (its three parts being:its substance, its heat, its light). Without even one of these parts, the Sun would cease to be a Sun as we know it. So too, God has revealed Himself to us in three Persons (not three separate people). If God were to remove even one of His Persons, He would cease to be God. In a weak description, God the Father is the Substance, His Word Jesus Christ is the Light (John 1:1, 8:12), His Spirit is the Heat, type of presence & power of God in us & in the world (Acts 2:4, John 16:8). Many religions believe we are wrong in believing this, but it is just that they are unable to understand it. Keep believing.
  • Debra for verse 5
    Thank you Chris. I have learned that scripture is mostly 3 dementional. For instance, where Scripture reads that Rachel wept for her children, is when Herod had the males killed under 2. The reason that Jacob buried his true love Rachel on the trail was because her descendants were in that area. So most likely it was her children who were killed..
  • Chris for verse 5
    I agree Debra: Scripture is replete with multiple applications/dimensional, both in the O.T. and N.T. After all, prophecies were given to help the people of God (Israel) know His Mind (though with limited view/understanding) & to have hope when sometimes all hope was gone. As His children now (through the shed Blood of Christ), we receive those prophecies, as some are both historically accomplished, and yet with another fulfilment for the future. In a world of woe & continual spiritual & moral degradation, the believer too can find light & hope through the expected fulfilment of prophecies & walk on confidently when there remains no more hope for those outside Christ.
  • Debra for verse 5
    Yes Chris..and in the time we are in right now..these scriptures come to mind John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal and Luke 24:44And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

    Matthew 26:39And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Blessings Chris..I believe this time is soon upon us
  • Chris for verse 5
    In keeping with the painful & worrying times we are in for many people, as the children of God, "when these things come to pass, then LOOK UP, for your redemption draweth nigh". Luke 21:28. Blessings & His Power on you too, Debra, as we continue in prayer & witness to those around us of our "so great salvation".
  • Bob Hilt for verse 5
    the Bible ALONE teaches man has a body and a soul and a sprit = 3 parts = 1 man

    Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness

    Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

    So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE

    How many parts is God 3

    1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. spirit, soul, body
  • Obbie Beal
    Above we hear GOD pleading to us. ...For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens God himself that formed the earth and made it HE hath established it, HE created it not in vain, HE formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD and there is none else. Look unto GOD, and BE YE SAVED, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else. TIME as in 24 hours is almost finished, and ready or not TIME shall soon end for us. GOD knows TIME is almost finished as we see in this chapter, therefore through John 3:16-21 GOD has promised to SAVE. To be SAVE it is left up to us individually to follow the instruction of GOD in John 3:16-21 . Yes, saved form the lake of fire.
  • Teri
    My head hurts from reading the remarks on this chapter. I want to encourage all of us however, to hold fast to the doctrine that was delivered unto us at the beginning. God created the heavens and the earth, and everything seen and not seen. Read Colossians. Next, if Jesus lied then he sinned? I think not! We must trust that all will be made clear in heaven when we will see HIM as He is. Amen
  • Jon
    Even as God created the world in 6 days and claimed it to be all good, Yet if evil is bad (for humanism) I don’t suppose it is bad to the extent that God had created it as it were for a good reason, and not necessarily that we have a choice or free will in this matter. There are many sort of evils that a person cannot avoid with their free will or choice, ..but a limited if not a wishful stance.
  • Neil
    " I create evil"
    We are given a free will, which implies more than one choice available.
    The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was in the garden..
    .so God created it for us to choose or not
    we couldn't choose it if it was not available!
    What was the Origin of evil if He didn't create it?Satan?
    S couldn't create anything..he was restricted to "steal, kill and destroy"
    we choose !

  • Laura Marshall
    God is blameless, there is no evil found in Him. God doesn't break His own Law, the 10 Commandments. God is Holy, Perfect, and without sin. In the original Biblical Manuscripts, the "Textus Receptus", the word "evil" correctly translated "tumult" means trouble. God brings tumult into the lives of evil doers. The KJV Bible is truest to the Manuscripts. satan is the originator of evil. Ezekiel 28.


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