Isaiah Chapter 45 Discussion

  • S Spencer - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Thanks Earl,

    Isaiah 10 is a great, and humbling example.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    S Spencer, the Spirit is blessing you with His great insight. Isaiah 10 is an example also of God using man as the labour of HIS WORK.

    THY WILL BE DONE, come quickly O Lord.

    Our's IN CHRIST your servants, Amen
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Hi Dr Marvin.

    That's a humbling, valuable truth to consider isn't it.

    God used Moses, He used Abraham, and Many others in scripture and Many he is using today,

    But he also used People like Cyrus! ""Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;""

    He used King Nebuchadnezzar.

    To seize Israel.

    And the Chaldeans.

    Habakkuk 1:6. For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces that are not their's.
  • Dr MARVIN A MCQUEEN on Isaiah 45:5
    Since God's eyes are in every place; it's a blessing to understand that God is still a mystery, therefore He can do what his Holy Word is! Remember God created all things, therefore He can utilize anyone or any thing, to get His Will done! Be blessed!
  • Kevin Andrew Jernigan on Isaiah 45:3
    I found something sacred and significant..hidden very secretly only for trustworthy people to inherit.
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Alex you left out a couple of verses. Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 3:14-15 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
  • Jack Gutknecht - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Interesting, Chris!
  • Alex on Isaiah 45:5
    Alex comments about Exodus 3 v 15 God tells Moses that he is the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob and that is my NAME forever and my memorial to All generations .
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Isaiah 45:7, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

    These verses from verse 1 to 7, is a discourse to Cyrus, the Persian King, revealing Who this God is, Who will use the king as His instrument. So verse 7 comes as a further reminder to Cyrus that this God is unlike anyone else: He creates Light & He has the power to remove it (once Light from a source is removed, darkness prevails - it's the default with light's absence). He can bring about peace (or, happiness, prosperity) & also can remove that (thereby evil will become present & rampant, as a default state, with Satan's affectation upon man & the world). The Lord has the power to do all things, which the Persian gods could never do.

    To be able to correctly understand the 'behaviour' of a Holy God Who can do no evil, for evil is never present within Him, the only way that I can read this verse, is to know that the God Who creates, can also remove (i.e. the opposite is 'created') & not that God has any unjustified evil planned that He wants to create. However, it is true, God does bring on 'evil', as in consigning men to hell, but that comes as a justified punishment for man's disobedience & rejection of Him.
  • Robert Malit - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    Light = good = understanding and knowledge Christians gained from the written word of God

    Darkness = evil = trials, tribulations and all sorts of problems encountered by Christians = use by God to test our faith in God

    If & when Christians chose not to rely on own understanding, seek God's wisdom, able to go through trials/problems, by faith able to solve problems. During the process - made mistakes but learned new things - what works, what doesn't work gained wisdom, leads to success

    Prosperity - successful life on earth while having intimate fellowship with God.

    Disaster - however, if and when Christians because of prideful desires, chose not to seek God's guidance, continue to struggle, makes mistakes after mistakes, discouraged, get addicted into something - bring disaster to self - broken relationships.

    God created all these things for our common good. God loves us, gave us freedom to see the light, darkness, prosperity and disaster to teach us lessons, to purge and cleanse us from our self-centered free will walking in the flesh versus walking in the spirit.
  • M - in Reply on Isaiah 45:5
    I remember reading that the first time and thinking the same thing.

    The first thing I'd say is not to use NIV, instead use KJV. Modern translations are less accurate.

    God created people, and is therefore responsible for His creations. As an example, if someone chooses to do someone else harm for an unholy reason, that person must reap what they've sown. It's up to God to give that person a perfect punishment(assuming they are unrepenting nonbelievers), and in order to do that God must create a situation in which there's a fitting disaster for them. Only then is "balance" restored, and do people get what they deserve.

    Loving doesn't mean God won't uphold morality and justice, but it does mean He is merciful.

    Disaster exists because of sin. God doesn't enjoy causing disaster, but it is necessary.
  • Jack Gutknecht on Isaiah 45:5
    Why would a loving God "create darkness" and "disaster"? ( Isaiah 45:7)

    7 I form the light and create darkness,

    I bring prosperity and create disaster;

    I, the Lord, do all these things. (NIV)
  • Anne - in Reply on Isaiah 45:7
    Heaven on Earth...
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 45:14
    That's a good 'catch', noticing the words, "there is no God" in Isaiah 45:14. In Hebrew, the LORD in the first part of the verse, is 'Yahweh', but in the latter part of the verse, it is "El" & "Elohim", which can used of the true God but allows for use of other gods, angels, kings or judges.

    So in context of the verse, these others (gentiles) that come to Israel will come in brokenness & humility, and acknowledging that "God (El) is the God with Israel, & there is no god (Elohim), there is none else". So it is the cry of the gentiles, though not coming to faith in the true God of Israel, did however acknowledge that there is none beside Him. Since they didn't know the true God as Israel knew God, the word 'El, Elohim' is being used to signify this.
  • Kay on Isaiah 45:14
    I don't recall this verse saying, "...there is no God." I recall it as, "...there is no other God."

    If I am incorrect, can anyone provide interpretation or meaning to that specific part of the verse?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Isaiah 45:7
    The tree of Life was moved to Heaven.

  • Wayne - in Reply on Isaiah 45:7
    12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. evil existed befor adam I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. i couldn't be any clearer
  • Wayne - in Reply on Isaiah 45:7
    and your right and here is proof. Genesis 2:9

    "And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
  • Chris - in Reply on Isaiah 45:12
    The clearest Scripture is in Psalm 33:6-9. Other Scriptures: Hebrews 1:2, 11:3, may help.
  • Roger on Isaiah 45:12
    Where the world's made by the one true God by the hands of God, or spoken into existence.
  • Rob on Isaiah 45:5
    Isaiah 45 v 5

    God states that there is No God beside me .

    This was way before Jesus ascension up into heaven , correct ?

    So now Jesus is sitting at the Fathers right hand beside God .

    Would God still say this now ?

    Yes Jesus was not there before , and no man hath seen God , but now the man Jesus is at Gods right hand .
  • Rachat on Isaiah 45:23
    Hallelujah! glory to the one and true god, even the lord jesus christ
  • DAN MINER on Isaiah 45:7
    The word evil has two meanings. One is wickedness by men. The other is catastrophes by God, such as the Judgement by the global flood.
  • Grungebyte on Isaiah 45:7
    From Gwynn Matthews on Isaiah 45:7

    >>I truly believe that God created good and evil so that we can have a choice...

    More to the point, Free Will is the single best gift God the Father has given us. No other entities that God has created in the entire Universe has been so gifted. We human beings are unique.
  • Grung on Isaiah 45:7
    It's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. In fact it is exalted by not only King Cyrus but the 3 Magi who came to Jesus on His birth after following the star from the East - or Persia.
  • Grungebyte on Isaiah 45:7
    it's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. Actually there is one other but it is merely a sect of the oldest living religion that Christians think is a 4-letter word.
    2nd esdras 2:18
  • Barb on Isaiah 45:7
    Here is the chapter and verse I forgot to include Isaiah 45:7
  • Barb - in Reply on Isaiah 45:7
    You did not see God.

    That was Satan...

    Exodus 33:20
  • Patty Tozi on Isaiah 45:7
    So much unrest going on. Just like Revelations shows. God warned us. Mankind and the evilness will destroy now what we once knew. Today l look at all the creations God put for us. He always wanted the best for us. Mankind destroyed it. God is a Mighty God. He takes and takes mankinds greed of me me me. The Evil laughs when we destroy it. God gets angry. I always have wrote about how He put the Earth for us because His Love is so Strong. I know. I had a after death. Saw Heaven. Saw Jesus and His Father. Saw the book of Life. Saw his Strong Light of Love for us. I would never hurt Him. I came back to show others His Love. Did not want too come back. But they had me doing something in the end days. I had a Destiny I had to do. I felt Hell going back down the tunnel. Beware all of you that don't have God in your Life. these days. Everyday now is not your own. That virus that started this is going to come back worse then ever. travel. Comets from the as never before...will take everyone by surprise. You will be controlled more and more. Food...gas...where you you had your freedom will silently close in on you. Seek every day your families and friends -and what you do -to the fullest. Always Praise our Mighty God for letting you have another day....Read His words and get on your knees for help. Stand Strong!!!

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