In this chapter; we have one of two infamous commentaries with a detailed description of Lucifer (see verse 12 for specific reference). The other passage in Ezekiel 28 gets into further detail of the "anointed cherub" and his downfall to what is now Satan. There once again; as in so many other prophetic passages in scripture a statement about a human emissary of evil (here no doubt the Antichrist or the "King of Babylon" as quoted in verse 4). He is also referenced as "the Assyrian" in verse 25. No doubt certain previous fulfillments from verse 28 to the end of the chapter with Palestina were fulfilled when King Ahaz died; but the current Palestinians also will face future judgment as earlier passages in Isaiah and elsewhere indicate.
The time element as to the destruction of Antichrist and the False Prophet who will go to judgment in verses 16 to 27 clearly comes before the casting of Satan himself to hell where the "Beast and False Prophet are" at the end of the millennium as stated in Revelation 20:10.
That section would be in verses 12 through 15 in this chapter as a cross reference. The actual brutal world dictatorship mentioned in verse 6 is followed by those in hell in verse 9. The kings of the nations could be also indicate the many nations in Ezekiel who are observing the same thing from the Kingdoms of earth in hell in Ezekiel 32. Those kings of the earth who are imprisoned could also be referred to here in hades awaiting final judgment in Isaiah 24:22. In any case; those who are part of his system will no longer build cities (verse 21); and Revelation discusses all the cities and towers falling. In the mountains of Israel the "Assyrian" will be put to an end (verse 25 and 26); and the living as well as the dead will know it. The section mentioned in verse 12 through 15 shows the original sin of pride and self worship that led to Lucifer's downfall; the end result being judgment after losing his place in heaven; heavenly realms; then the earth
chapter 13 and 14 are (by design and foreknowledge) narratives of what has been happening in the US for many decades and what is about to come upon the luciferian cabul that released the pandemic, locked the nations down, silenced and handcuffed the church, and looted the nation through the manipulation of the crises they created.
In 2022 look for NUREMBERG like military tribunals.
And that president #45that all you mainline-denominational-world-aligned religious' leaders hate -
yes, that president #45, is the modern day CYRUS of ch 45 and he will be back in charge before 2024 to complete the draining of the swamp.
Dr. David Ward. Respectfully sir, It doesn't not matter how many degrees you have. The word of God is discerned by the Holy Spirit giving you wisdom as you are reading the word of God. Hell is a real literal place. For Example. Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
This is not a parable. Hell is a literal place of torment.
Revelation 20
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
"Offending God with your thoughts" is quite possibly not sin, unless you dwell on them, leading to committing sin whether in the mind or body. We all have spurious thoughts come to us, & sometimes downright disturbing. It's how we deal with them that matters: do we determine to terminate those thoughts or choose to fuel them or even act upon them?
We can run to the Lord in prayer & commit our folly to Him; or turn to the Word & allow the Spirit to minister God's Message & Words of healing to our minds; or even do as the Apostle Paul suggests in Philippians 4:8,9, to set our minds (our thoughts) on things that are honest, just, pure, etc. Why do this? We are effectively covering over & ridding nasty, disturbing thoughts with thoughts that bring on peace, stability & purity to one's heart - i.e. getting our minds back onto God's track & dwelling on things that will lift up our hearts towards God rather than weigh them down to our hurt.
Thank you for your kindness and response. I have great fear of offending God with my own thoughts . I have many questions about why i feel differently about the scriptures that stir my fear of my declaration to worship only God. and have no other equal to or above my Heavenly Father. My views about the idols, crosses and statues of Jesus being that are man made. This is a tough subject . A fixed point of view that no one else seems to think is relevant to the commandment against idols . But thank you for your help.
This portion in Isaiah 14:4 onwards, speaks specifically about the King of Babylon, who was wicked, presumptuous, & had delusions of grandeur (as many of the heathen kings did). However, verses 12-15 are also seen as a description of the Devil, as one who entertained sin (to be like God), was cast out from Heaven (when he was once an angel there), onto Earth (& we know what mischief he got to here), & whose domain is Hell, though being the god of this world leading many people into his domain.
You can also read in Ezekiel 28:11-19 where a similar accusation was made to the King of Tyrus, but has a wider meaning & fulfilment in Satan. So, these portions have nothing to do with Christ's resurrection & ascension.
Isaiah 14:14 Does this verse, even when reading the entire chapter in full context, foretell of when Jesus ascended into the clouds after his resurrection?
I am interested in your thoughts on 'hell'. You said, "that Hell does not exist in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin". So if you read Psalm 16:10 & Psalm 139:8 which, of course mentions 'hell', what Hebrew word, in your studies, is applicable there. I understand it as 'sheol', but you may have another word or meaning for it.
Then in the NT, we have Matthew 10:28 & Luke 16:23, where the word for 'hell', is understood to be 'geenne', or Gehenna in Matthew, and 'ade' or Hades, in Luke's reference. I see that all of these references (OT & NT) depict a place & state of suffering. And if these are translated from the original manuscripts, I would be interested to learn what you are reading, the words used & the manuscripts they are derived from, as this can be very perplexing to us who are confined to the Bibles we have now.
And as a result of this, what is your understanding of a place of eternal suffering for the wicked: whether such a state even exists of which the Bible declares.
I would get a 1978 New American Standard. I know it was much better. I have a Doctorate in Theology and worked almost a year getting the Bible in Modern English because so many young people I meet could not understand the KJV since what preachers are doing is using Dante's Inferno for its view of Hell instead of searching the scriptures to see that Hell does not exist in Hebrew, Aramaic, or Latin. It is a German and Old English word meaning a hidden place.
Satan is the Devil's name. Jesus stated this. Lux Ferro is the word in Isaiah 14:12 that the translations of the KJV used out of the Latin Vulgate to get Lucifer. They were wrong and the world has spread this mistranslation of Moring Star into Lucifer aka the Devil for over 400 years. I knew the truth in 1978 when I began researching Morning Star and did not find the Devil but rather the planet Venus. I have a Doctorate in Theology and no good translation has Lucifer in the translation or the word Hell since the Bible was assembled in the 400's and the word Hell did not exist until 705 AD in Germany and Old England and its meaning is a hidden place.
I am currently on Day 286 in my Bible Reading in a Year journey and would like to thank "BSP" and "A Disciple" for their comments throughout my journey. They have consistently been informative and inspirational throughout my readings in the Old Testament and I look forward to their comments during my journey into the Life of Christ and beyond in the New Testament. Blessings to you both and to ALL of YOU!
Thank You ALL :-).Unthankful Lucifer} And we the abiding, good and faithful, inherit all he coveted for in Ephesians 2:6, Psalm 91:1 & 14,15,16. KJV
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Jude 20 so very important to treasure folks, and neglect not. Difference between Spirit and GHOST / and communion of, and fellowship with/ believe 131 times and believeth continuous, 39 times,
Prov 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Berean Acts 17:11 kjv. So satan has largely ensnared the the church into less true intimacy and flow of revelation is weakened, and now told to bow ones head in prayer then suggests we are approaching notfessed up and sanctified, so gifted boldness of gifted faith is gone misleading millions of the immature into confusion and hands + head down, powerlessness. Romans 1:4. Feigning Christianity, Popal biased Westcott and Hort have strewn their tare seeds of division, no greater hoax (other than declaring later versions are better than the KJVs scary consistency & excellence in placement of spirit & Ghost, ye or you, believe or believeth etc,etc ( Phillippians 1:9,10,11) of the tried and true KJV), has scarce been pulled off since Rome calling itself 1st Christian Church, and how sick ! is that. But our gracious *FATHER GOD* lets the seeker know the seasons by calling the 666 Vactool Luciferase. Come let us adore *HIM* *CHRIST JESUS Our Magnanimous (LORD* and ineffable *SAVIOUR* Psalm 66:2 Sing forth the honor of his name: make his praise glorious.
Amen and Amen, *JAH* is *HIS* Name, the perfect Dad.*JESUS* *DADS* Brightness. Ordinances such as Galations 6:6 and Hebrews 3:13 are not shared meat in our fellowship. But now, since that my last demon, frustration was renounced. And settling Ephesians 2:6 aligns with Psalm 91:1 + 14,15,16. The challenge of obedience in all things must be.*G* B U who follow on eagerly Jude 20.
This chapter speaks about the defeat of our enemy Satan and the physical enemies of Isreal the Babylonians and the Assyrians. The lord in this chapter tells us another of his name. The Lord God of hosts or the Lord God of Sabaoth.The Lord God of army. when he present himself like this he comes to fight for his people. In preseting this part of his character he tells us how he defeated our and this enemy Satan.God our defender will always fight our battles. He has never lost one battle. See Colossians 2.15
" Surely has I have thought, so shall it come to pass " Think about the power of this statement about the Almighty Lord of all that was, is and forevermore! Praise Him, and may the thoughts of the Lord also rule in your life. Salvation is for the sinner today and until Jesus Returns. Hold on to the promises of Our Heavenly Father. Kneel before Him today and dwell on His Word. Blessing of mercy and grace be with you today who read this.
Lucifer lux Light ferre carry. He only was supposed to bear the light, to carry the light which is Jesus Christ - John 8,12. "I am the light of the world". Lucifer was only the servant who should bear the light but WAS not the light himself and did not obey the command and the word of God. Lucifer started the revolution because he wanted to be worshipped as god. He was thrown out of the heaven.
Was - Is - Forever shall Nothing new under the sun... These matters today, have played out again and are being played out even today, w eyes to see and ears that hear... Thanks for your good word... o jp
Verse 12 is about Babylon. Lucifer means light giver. Light means knowledge. So Lucifer means giver of knowledge. Son of the morning means first of the enlightened nations. It was obviously a place that welcomed and encouraged those who sought knowledge. The magi are thought to have come from there.
Im reading all of your comments. And I am wondering.... DO YOU ALL REALLY UNDERSTAND what versus 1-7 is actually saying??? Do you TRULY realize what it is telling you??? If not let me help you. Its saying that THE PEOPLE who are at the bottom of society, are going to put THE PEOPLE at the top..in bondage. Because they hated and enslaved. And conquered lands that didn't belong to them
I am so grateful for Father GOD, and his Son Lord JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT. I am grateful, that mankind can repent, and be redeemed by the blood of CHRIST. Satan, was once a beautiful Cherub with precious stones, who refuse to acknowledge, The one and only GREAT KING JEHOVAH! Who allowed one of the lower ranking Angels, to loosen up one of his screws! I AM who I AM.
GOD WAS, GOD IS , AND GOD SHALL ALWAYS BE MOST HIGH AND POWERFUL. NONE MAN ON THIS EARTH SHALL FATHOM THE THINGS GOD CAN DO EXCEPT THROUGH HIM. TIME IS FOREVER REPEATING ITSELF IN ALL OF WHAT THIS NEW GENERATION FAILS TO RECOGNIZE, GOD IS LORD AND KING OF KINGS.
O LORD IEHOVAH Ah-way ! Thou alone art God Almighty who made all things by Jesus Christ! May all men know that thou art the most High over all the earth! Amen
Comment*In the midst of all the destruction that will happen to nations. The Lord will have mercy on Jabob. The mercies of God stands sure for all that put their trust in Him.
The time element as to the destruction of Antichrist and the False Prophet who will go to judgment in verses 16 to 27 clearly comes before the casting of Satan himself to hell where the "Beast and False Prophet are" at the end of the millennium as stated in Revelation 20:10.
That section would be in verses 12 through 15 in this chapter as a cross reference. The actual brutal world dictatorship mentioned in verse 6 is followed by those in hell in verse 9. The kings of the nations could be also indicate the many nations in Ezekiel who are observing the same thing from the Kingdoms of earth in hell in Ezekiel 32. Those kings of the earth who are imprisoned could also be referred to here in hades awaiting final judgment in Isaiah 24:22. In any case; those who are part of his system will no longer build cities (verse 21); and Revelation discusses all the cities and towers falling. In the mountains of Israel the "Assyrian" will be put to an end (verse 25 and 26); and the living as well as the dead will know it. The section mentioned in verse 12 through 15 shows the original sin of pride and self worship that led to Lucifer's downfall; the end result being judgment after losing his place in heaven; heavenly realms; then the earth
In 2022 look for NUREMBERG like military tribunals.
And that president #45that all you mainline-denominational-world-aligned religious' leaders hate -
yes, that president #45, is the modern day CYRUS of ch 45 and he will be back in charge before 2024 to complete the draining of the swamp.
19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
This is not a parable. Hell is a literal place of torment.
Revelation 20
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
We can run to the Lord in prayer & commit our folly to Him; or turn to the Word & allow the Spirit to minister God's Message & Words of healing to our minds; or even do as the Apostle Paul suggests in Philippians 4:8,9, to set our minds (our thoughts) on things that are honest, just, pure, etc. Why do this? We are effectively covering over & ridding nasty, disturbing thoughts with thoughts that bring on peace, stability & purity to one's heart - i.e. getting our minds back onto God's track & dwelling on things that will lift up our hearts towards God rather than weigh them down to our hurt.
You can also read in Ezekiel 28:11-19 where a similar accusation was made to the King of Tyrus, but has a wider meaning & fulfilment in Satan. So, these portions have nothing to do with Christ's resurrection & ascension.
Then in the NT, we have Matthew 10:28 & Luke 16:23, where the word for 'hell', is understood to be 'geenne', or Gehenna in Matthew, and 'ade' or Hades, in Luke's reference. I see that all of these references (OT & NT) depict a place & state of suffering. And if these are translated from the original manuscripts, I would be interested to learn what you are reading, the words used & the manuscripts they are derived from, as this can be very perplexing to us who are confined to the Bibles we have now.
And as a result of this, what is your understanding of a place of eternal suffering for the wicked: whether such a state even exists of which the Bible declares.
What translation do you recommend to get a more accurate wording?
I was wondering why both Satan and Jesus were "the morning star"
Thanks!
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Jude 20 so very important to treasure folks, and neglect not. Difference between Spirit and GHOST / and communion of, and fellowship with/ believe 131 times and believeth continuous, 39 times,
Prov 14:15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. Berean Acts 17:11 kjv. So satan has largely ensnared the the church into less true intimacy and flow of revelation is weakened, and now told to bow ones head in prayer then suggests we are approaching notfessed up and sanctified, so gifted boldness of gifted faith is gone misleading millions of the immature into confusion and hands + head down, powerlessness. Romans 1:4. Feigning Christianity, Popal biased Westcott and Hort have strewn their tare seeds of division, no greater hoax (other than declaring later versions are better than the KJVs scary consistency & excellence in placement of spirit & Ghost, ye or you, believe or believeth etc,etc ( Phillippians 1:9,10,11) of the tried and true KJV), has scarce been pulled off since Rome calling itself 1st Christian Church, and how sick ! is that. But our gracious *FATHER GOD* lets the seeker know the seasons by calling the 666 Vactool Luciferase. Come let us adore *HIM* *CHRIST JESUS Our Magnanimous (LORD* and ineffable *SAVIOUR* Psalm 66:2 Sing forth the honor of his name: make his praise glorious.
Amen and Amen, *JAH* is *HIS* Name, the perfect Dad.*JESUS* *DADS* Brightness. Ordinances such as Galations 6:6 and Hebrews 3:13 are not shared meat in our fellowship. But now, since that my last demon, frustration was renounced. And settling Ephesians 2:6 aligns with Psalm 91:1 + 14,15,16. The challenge of obedience in all things must be.*G* B U who follow on eagerly Jude 20.