Isaiah Chapter 13 Discussion Page 3



 
  • Bro Gereshom - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Greetings to you brother,

    My original question is why the use of my & mine as both possessive adjectives and before the same word "hurt".

    With the greatest of respect to you: the brother in India is correct ! Why?

    'Thy' and 'my' is used with a consonant and 'thine' is used with a vowel sound or as a possessive pronoun: This is thine and this is mine etc. Your(s) is the old or Modern English plural and which we still occasionally use in certain parts of the north of England: thy and thine can still be heard. In my Midland dialect we use 'Yaou' singular you and 'Yuz' which is the plural form of 'You'.

    I agree; English is confusing ...!

    Bro. Gereshom
  • Greg - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Jesse,

    I completely agree with you. Understanding Biblical Hebrew and Greek is essential to gaining a deeper understanding of Scripture.

    I have a couple of questions.

    How does the word "huios" meaning "a son" and "kalos" meaning a "child" change your understanding of Scripture?

    Does this understanding of the Greek words mean that God is Jesus and Jesus is God?

    The word for "repented" means to "care afterwards, i.e. regret." (Strong's #3338).

    If Judas did not repent as "we as believers understand repentance to mean," what does "regret" mean to you? If forgiveness is based upon repentance, why could he not be forgiven? Judas was not a non'believer in Jesus.

    Judas did not commit the unpardonable sin, and he had help with his death ( Acts 1:18).
  • Jesse - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Thanks, Chris,

    Learning to read Greek has been such a blessing. There are several places in the Greek text where different words are used but are translated as the same word in English. Not just the word carnal, because we see the word carnal in English and we automatically think that it is bad. But words like good, repent, son, and several others, when we see those words in English, we know what good means, we know what repent means, and we know what son means in English.



    I just recently read here someone asking how can Jesus be God, when the bible says He is God's Son? Well, in English, we know what the word son means. But the Greek uses a completely different word. The word Son when applied to Jesus is the word Huios. Son by natural birth is a totally different word. It is the word Teknon.



    Jesus said why did you call me good? There is only one who is good and that it God. Now wait a minute, I know some good people. I think the people here on this forum are good people. But one might argue that Jesus said only God is good. Okay, that is true. Only God is Agathos (Good). People can be good also (Kalos).

    Repent? Someone asked me (Not here) if Judas was saved because the bible says that he repented. Again, the Greek text did not say he repented like we as believers understand repentance to mean. The word repent used for Judas was the word Metamelomai, which means Judas was sorry. He did not repent as in making a decision to change the direction of his life and surrender to Christ. The repentance we know and understand is the word Metanoeo. These are just a few words that literally change the meaning of a verse or passage that I've come to know in my study of the Greek text. I'm happy to share my understanding, and I have been built up by reading the things you share. You have a vast wealth of knowledge and understanding that I hope to obtain someday. But I know that only comes from the Lord. And He's only going to give me what my little pea brain can handle!
  • Praise on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    That is Revelation all about God and the forces of darkness and when God gave John a vision not the one that baptized Jesus he saw a new earth and a new heaven.
  • Praise on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    For that God caused Satan "Because you have done this you wil move on your belly and eat dust all he days of your life and a woman's son shall destroy your works.
  • Praise - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Ye, thy, nor.
  • Praise on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    But I don't understand how you should not touch unclean things.

    Jesus said unto them "I am the way truth and the life nobody cometh to my father but through me.

    Peter was in Joppa then God gave him a vision a sac from heaven dropped saying "Kill eat" then Peter said the Jewish law said that we should not eat unclean animals.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    This is an example of the peculiarities of English, especially when we see it expressed as they did in 'olden' days. They are similar to the words: 'Thou' , 'Thy' and 'Thine'. We easily understand it in modern English as, 'You' , 'Your' and 'Yours' when read in a sentence. When attending an Assembly in India, I was always amused (not in judgemental way, of course), when the brother sharing from the Word, always spoke of 'Thine Holy Word or Thine Holy Child', when he should have used the singular, 'Thy'. But to those who were none the wiser, his preaching tended to appear better endowed using 'Thine'.

    So, in Psalm 35:4 & 26, we read 'my' and 'mine' & it becomes a little confusing with its use. The word, 'my' tells us that David is speaking about the 'hurt' = injury or death, that his enemies were planning to give him. Whereas 'mine' in v 26, speaks about them rejoicing in the 'hurt' that they had already afflicted him with & for which he was suffering. I hope you can see the difference in the usage of these words here.
  • Chris - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    That was very interesting & informative Jesse - I didn't know that nor did I see the any difference in the word, along with many other folk I'm sure. A good exercise & encouragement to textual examination, & of course, knowing Greek, helps. Appreciated your knowledge here.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Michael,

    Paul wrote 1 Corinthians as a correctional letter to a carnal church. That was their spiritual condition. Paul had evangelized in Corinth during his second missionary journey and many were saved at that time. But there was a lot of corruption in the church in Corinth and Paul wrote the letter to answer a lot of questions the church there had.

    Now the verses you listed where Paul begins by saying What?, I'm not sure if he's scolding them or asking it this way as if to say this is something you should know by now.

    Remember, Paul evangelized there earlier. But 3 to 5 years later they have all these problems in the church and they have a lot of questions for Paul.

    Remember I said they were a carnal church? Did you know that a Christian can be carnal and it be completely normal? But there is also an abnormal carnal.



    There are two Greek words for carnal. The only difference in the two words is one letter. We have Sarkinos, and Sarkikos. It is the word for flesh. That's what the word carnal means. Sarkinos is normal. Sarkikos is abnormal.

    Paul told them in 1 Corinthians Chapter 3 that when he first came to them that he could only feed them with milk and not meat. He said because they were yet carnal, and he used the word Sarkinos. It was normal because they were newborn babes in Christ. As newborn believers, they could only handle the milk of the word.

    But now 3 to 5 years later Paul is writing to them and basically saying that by now they should be more established as a church, but they are still carnal, only this time the word Sarkikos is used, abnormal carnal.

    So Paul wrote this letter as a correctional letter to a carnal and corrupt church. I hope I have made some sense out of this and I hope this answers your question.

    If anything, I've shared some Greek with you. We see the English word carnal and we automatically think that it is bad. But in the Greek, there is a normal carnal (Sarkinos), and an abnormal (Sarkikos).
  • Mishael on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Hurricane season is starting early.
  • SUICIDE or LIFE IN THE SPIRIT - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Hebrews 12:25 and 1 Corinthians 10:13 are the strongest scriptures for not committing suicide.

    If one is going to throw their lives away, why not give that life to Jesus? Give your life to Him, and take Jesus's Life so you can live. Call on Jesus and receive help.

    1 Corinthians 10:13

    There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a WAY TO ESCAPE, that ye may be able to bear it.

    1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    Ecclesiastes 7:17 Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

    Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    James 4:7-10 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

    Romans 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

    1 Corinthians 6:19-20 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

    1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    John 16:33 - These things I have spoken unto you, that IN ME you might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Proverbs 8:36

    But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

    If they will trust Jesus and be born again

    John 3, and receive the Holy Spirits baptism; God will turn your spirit ON and you will experience a new, different kind of life. People who are alive spiritually can suddenly HEAR the voice of their Heavenly Father, speaking to them through their innermost being. The Holy Spirit comes alongside to Comfort and protect the new Life. Do it.

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  • Mishael - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    It's speaking on his enemies planning or attempting his destruction.

    Many people experience that emotion. We can't all make reconciliation with enemies. Can't run away or take a nap to block it out.

    Enemies can be in our minds or real.

    Confrontation, with God, is the better choice. Best way to defeat an enemy is listen to what God says.

    The enemy of our souls is satan. He's a hunter of souls. The fight is spiritual. You can't see your enemy, but you Know that it's there. That's why God tells us in Ephesians 6, to suit up with armor.
  • Bob Hilt - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Did Samson commit suicide?

    Judges 16:28 And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

    Judges 16:29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

    Judges 16:30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

    Hebrews Chapter 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

    31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

    32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and [of] Barak, and [of] Samson, and [of] Jephthae; [of] David also, and Samuel, and [of] the prophets:

    33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

    Samson killed himself along with the Philistines and he is in the Hebrews faith chapter.
  • Bro Gereshom on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Greetings in the name of Jesus Christ.

    Do you mind explaining please the use of "my hurt" and "mine hurt" in Psalm 35 vv 4, 27

    Bless you,
  • Christy on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    What does GOD say about a man that commits suicide? Can you still go to Heaven?
  • Michael Walker on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    In 1 Corinthians 6:16 and 6:19 and 11:22 and 14:36

    Paul said What? asking A Question do you fill he was scolding them.
  • Greg - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Mishael,

    ADAM was given the job of dressing and keeping a garden while trying to stay away from the tricks of Satan ( Genesis 2:7).

    The animals Adam named was for husbandry purposes ( Genesis 2:18-20). Notice Adam did not name insects or fish because he did not need them to be a farmer.

    MANKIND was given the job of having "DOMINION over all the earth" ( Genesis 1:26-28).
  • Believers yoked to Unbelievers Mishael - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    We have the New, better covenant through Jesus now.

    2 Corinthians Chapter 6:14-16. *****NT

    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    And what concord hath Christ with Belial (Satan) or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel (someone who does not take care of their family).

    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    We're not fighting against "ITES" i.e. Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, etc

    This is New Testament and the concern is born again believers being married to, or partying with sinful unbelievers.

    That's why our House of Representatives feels safe forcing churches to close for corona virus; but it's ok for bars to open and serve. Who's wrong here? The church or the virus?

    God wants us to be born again and saved from the darkening world we live in today.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Nowhere. Adam had dominion over everything except other humans.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Randy,

    1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 talks about the rapture, although it doess not use that word specifically. The words "caught up" refer to Christ coming for his bride (The Church) and snatching us away by force. The dead in Christ will rise first, and then we will be caught up to meet Him in the air. This is referred to as the rapture and I believe it takes place before the Tribulation Period which means before the mark of the beast. The rapture is not Christ's second coming. At His second coming, He comes all the way down to the earth and the church comes with Him. At the rapture, we meet Him in the air.
  • Kimora - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    my bad we can marry from the 12 tribes but not out of it
  • Kimora - In Reply on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    deuteronomy 7:1-4
  • Julie on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Where in the bible does it say we must marry our own race?
  • Randy w holt on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    What does the bible say about the rapture & mark of the beast is it before or after the rapture.
  • Suella on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    What is this the significant for Jesus to have brothers and sisters
  • NO MANDELA EFFECT mishael on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    There is NO Mandela Effect.

    God is the Alpha (beginning) and the Omega ( the Ending).

    He exists outside of time and inside of time. He sees us from start to end. He's keeping a record too. Our deeds and evil communication.

    The angels keep a written record of All the things we say about God. Like: God is wonderful! Look how beautiful the stars in the sky are. I want a tee shirt the same color as that butterfly God made. I wonder if God would make it rain today? (And He did :)

    We can't sneak anything past Him, either.

    I wish I had a book like that. Maybe I could be kinder to my grouchy neighbors....

    Gotta go. Babysitting Grandson tomorrow. Have a blessed Friday.

    Someone go on YouTube and listen to Carman's Song: Sunday's on the Way.

    You'll love it.
  • Debbie Ayala ojeda on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Peace be with you I come to ask a banner what must I put in words for them to obey to please you Christ Jesus then I shall not by me sudmitted sorry but remember you said they wish they we me
  • Debbie Ayala ojeda on Isaiah 13:10 - 3 years ago
    Peace be with you I come to ask a banner what must I put in words for them to obey to please you Christ Jesus then I shall
  • Thomas on Isaiah 13 - 3 years ago
    19. America is latter-day Babylon, America is the glory of earth's known kingdoms, She is the beauty of excellency. America has become like the overthrown "Sodom and Gomorrah".

    20. This is not a verse about America. This is the place of Sodom and Gomorrah, a place burned to the bedrock, a place of sulfur balls, a place of desolation. That which was once the most furtle and green is the most desolate, ever since this destruction at the time of Abraham, it has been a place incapable to feed goat of sheep. This is the land of the Arab and even he doesn't use it. This is what America resembles in her destruction.


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