Hosea 8:4

“They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.”

King James Version (KJV)

Other Translations for Hosea 8:4

They haue set vp Kings, but not by me: they haue made Princes, and I knew it not: of their siluer and their golde haue they made them idoles, that they may be cut off.
- King James Version (1611) - View 1611 Bible Scan

They have set up kings, but not by Me; They have appointed princes, but I did not know {it.} With their silver and gold they have made idols for themselves, That they might be cut off.
- New American Standard Version (1995)

They have set up kings, but not by me; they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
- American Standard Version (1901)

They have put up kings, but not by me; they have made princes, but I had no knowledge of it; they have made images of silver and gold, so that they may be cut off.
- Basic English Bible

They have set up kings, but not by me; they have made princes, and I knew it not; of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
- Darby Bible

They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made for themselves idols, that they may be cut off.
- Webster's Bible

They have set up kings, but not by me. They have made princes, and I didn't approve. Of their silver and their gold they have made themselves idols, that they may be cut off.
- World English Bible

They have made kings, and not by Me, They have made princes, and I have not known, Their silver and their gold they have made to them idols, So that they are cut off.
- Youngs Literal Bible

They have set up kings, but not from Me, they have made princes, and I knew it not; of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
- Jewish Publication Society Bible

Bible Commentary for Hosea 8:4

Wesley's Notes for Hosea 8:4


8:4 They - Israel. Kings - Shallum, Menahem, Pekah, and Hosea. Not by me - Not by my direction. Knew it not - Did not approve of it.


Discussion for Hosea 8:4

  • Charles on Hosea 8:4
    Where have all the Churches gone ? As I witness less and less of ungodliness in these current times I realise that in my own awakening that I am searching for a place to gather with others and share the word of God. Where does one turn too at this time ? I happened to visit a local parish church recently and behind the masked presence of the priest whom spoke to me behind the mask of which I couldn't understand I asked myself the question, 'to whom are these people bowing to authority'. Romans 1:21 - 1:24 seems to be the answer, in that the Church has 'changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man'... I am new to the bible brought on through spiritual awakening because of what's I see going on, so where are those who live out the bible showing me how to become wise, how to search for the truth ?
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    You mention Romans 1:21-24. Verse 23 ""And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into images made like to corruptible man, and birds, and fourfooted beasts and creeping things." Those people mentioned in Romans, those given to unnatural sex, have made false images of God. They are false images of God. When God looks at them he sees, animals, beasts, birds, and creeping things. This breaks the second commandment which reads, "Ex. 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." God sees the sexually perverse as animals, etc. Remember when he comes to earth he states this is a generation of vipers? A viper is a snake and Jesus sees an entire generation as snakes---creeping things.

    God sees Adam and Eve as camels. Jeremiah 2:23, " How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? See thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done; thou art a swift dromedary traversing her way." A swift dromedary is a camel, a beast. And the cross-reference in my King James Study Bible takes us back to Adam and Eve. Gen. 3:12, "The woman thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat." Husbands and wives who commit unnatural sex cannot say they are not a false image of God for they are a false image. God see them as a camel. They break the second commandment. When God looks at them, he sees a camel.

  • Chris - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    Marilyn, just another question for you (aside from the present discussion), since you mentioned a cross reference of Jeremiah 3:23 to Genesis 3:12. Since I'm still trying to place your understanding of the Bible with what is normally understood by others, & of course taking into account your earlier mention of the pastor who shared some things with you that greatly upset you, I therefore ask you:

    What is this Study Bible that you are reading from? Most Bibles will have another name, or at least mentioned within its early pages, give an indication of who has put it together. I mentioned earlier that mine is the KJV Ryrie Study Bible; anyone familiar with Bibles will immediately know the name as Charles C. Ryrie, a department Chairman, from the Dallas Theological Seminary. And if astute enough, they will probably know my theological position on a number of doctrines & teachings. But your interpretation of Scripture, it's cross references, & indeed your focus on perverted sin, tells me that your Bible is 'different' to what most of us read from. Would you care to oblige me this information? Thank you.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    I have used three different Bibles. One I had to put away, it was overused and worn out and the first page is gone that tells me who printed it. That Bible gives me the cross reference from Jeremiah 2:23, "(1)How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? See thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done; thou art a swift dromedary traversing her way." A swift dromedary is a camel, a beast. And the cross-reference in my King James Study Bible takes us back to Adam and Eve. (1)Gen. 3:12, 13 "The woman thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree and I did eat." Husbands and wives who commit original sin cannot say they are not a false image of God for they are a false image and they break the second commandment. When God looks at them, he sees a camel. The other two do not give that reference. This explains the woe to the hypocrites that say you strain at a nat and swallow a camel. You preach about the lesser sins which are not a trespass and then you commit a trespass, swallow a camel.

    I use a Bible from NBP, The National Bible Press-Philadelphia. That one gives many references to Romans 1. Example, Gen. 6:5, (1) "God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." The cross reference (1) sends me to Romans 1:28-31."

    The other Bible I use is published by "The world Publishing Company in Ohio. It also gives many references to Romans 1. In my study notes I have recorded many cross references to Romans 1. And there are many.

    When you understand the second commandment that those given to unnatural sex are seen by God to be animals, creeping things, fish, beasts, etc, then look at how many times those are mentioned in scripture. Example: Peter fished for fish and God told him to go out into the deep and you will catch men. You have to think deeper to put men and women in the church. Beasts are mentioned over and over again in Scripture.
  • Chris - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    Thank you for that information; I would have liked to know more about the first Bible you mentioned, with the missing first page, & done some research on it. I can agree with the other reference you gave from the other Bible (i.e. Genesis 6:5 with Romans 1:28-31), even though I don't have that particular cross reference in my Bible. But to connect Jeremiah 2:23 to Genesis 3:12.13 is mystifying to me.

    Anyway, I tried to do a Cross-Reference search via Open Bible & I did find these two references, along with many others, that were cross referenced to Genesis 3:12,13. Maybe you could go back to that old Bible you used to find this reference & see where the cross reference is applied, as where the a, b, c, etc are placed are important.

    Apparently, in Genesis 3:13, the phrase "What is this that thou hast done?" is the connection to Jeremiah 2:23, "know what thou hast done". So the cross reference has nothing to do with dromedaries, but only a connection to "thou hast done". Any other connection would seem totally unreasonable, whether in context or in English usage. So, I won't pursue further your application of the dromedary to how God looks at us sinners; or even the use of other animals (fish, gnats, creeping things, etc.) for the same reason. Maybe, it might be interesting to check out your other cross references, particularly associating the various types of fornication to being the cause of other sins. As you know, I understand that fornication is just another sin along with every other sin.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    The page, How to Use Center Column References, ends with copyrighted 1945 by J.C.W.Co.
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    Hello Chris,

    I am posting this again because it may have been removed.

    Even when I show you scripture that gives us the long list of sins that come from men with men and women who give up the natural use of their body, you do not believe those verses in Romans 1. When I show you that those in S&G have changed into images like animals, birds, creeping things and vipers you do not believe that scripture also stated in Romans 1. I printed the second commandment to show you how they break that commandment. It also explains what Jesus sees when he says, "This is a generation of vipers". He see all people as snakes, children of Satan, the snake.

    Can you imagine one person putting an end to all vipers? The Christianity of today has not begun to do this. Are we waiting for the Jesus who will put an end to the vipers?

    When Jesus comes he will change the grounds for divorce. Maybe the following will give you some information that will help you understand that oral and anal sex is sin for all people. "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication [porneia], causeth her to commit adultery [moichao]: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery [moichao]" Matthew 5:32. If a spouse is married to a spouse who commits unnatural sex the spouse who does not believe in unnatural sex has grounds to divorce the one who does.
  • Chris - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    I am very familiar with the list of sins as declared in Romans chapter 1 & have never denied the severity of them & that judgement is certain on all who are given to any type of sin.

    The problem I have with your understanding, as others here do, is the manner in which you force Scripture to mean what it is never intended to mean. A good example is in what you have just written about Romans 1: "those in S&G have changed into images like animals, birds, creeping things and vipers you do not believe that scripture also stated in Romans 1".

    So, you believe that those in Sodom have actually changed into those images, or at least, that's how God sees them (& us). Whereas what does the verse say? Verse 23: "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God INTO AN IMAGE made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." How does changing the Glory of God (i.e. His Image) into the likeness of animals (i.e. into an idol), suddenly become "that we have become into images like animals, birds, etc."?

    So, my perception is still correct: you have developed in your mind that the severity of sin, especially unnatural sex/fornication is the root cause for all sin to emanate from, that everything you see in Scripture points to & supports your belief - even if it means a total denial of the natural understanding of the Scripture. At least on this website, you won't find support, as there will always be someone to withstand such a skewed understanding - though I don't know what effect this type of teaching has on those who might visit your website or read your books. I won't even begin to comment on the rest of your discussion here, when even the basic principles of comprehension are not adhered to. Thank you for your time.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    Marilyn

    You're not allowed to post Websites on this site, I'm sure you Know this not an opportunity for advertising,
  • Marilyn Taplin - in Reply on Hosea 8:4
    S Spencer

    My intention was not to advertise but to advise Chris to read the article, Where is Hell?. I will not mention my site again.


 

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