Hebrews Chapter 9 Discussion



 
  • Inquiring times on Hebrews 9
    My question is are you saved in believing who Jesus is ? Or what Jesus did ?

    My take is if you don't believe that he is the Christ you will not believe in his words or work .

    Even the devils know who God is and tremble . Said James .

    There is more to just believing , although that's where it starts .

    Also many types of love and not all are good . I hear people saying like the Beatles all you need is love , but love can be for the wrong things . Love of God is totally different, you can not love the world and God too .
  • John - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Acts 2:38 is the first Christian message ever preached and it needs to be obeyed.

    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Galatians 3:27-29 KJV

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    Romans 6:1-5 KJV

    In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    Colossians 2:11-14 KJV

    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

    1 Peter 3:20-21 kjv
  • Starbux - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    John, yes, I obeyed. Amen.

    Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation. It's for everyone near & far. Jesus spoke this in John 3:3-5 that we can not enter the kingdom of God w/o water & the Spirit. There is blood in that water. Hallelujah
  • William - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    I believe you are correct in saying that we cannot believe in Christ without believing who he is or what he said. We are saved and made righteous according to Romans 4 by believing God that His obedience and death was Gods provision for us and that His resurrection is proof of that.



    Faith in Christ Jesus means we believe God. It the faith of Christ that saves us. His faith, His death, His resurrection.

    See Galatians 2:20

    When we fully trust that alone as our justification before God, we are given His spirit to live out that life until we are

    given our glorified bodies, just as Christ now has a Glorified body.
  • KJV warrior - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    saved by GRACE, through faith!
  • Richard on Hebrews 9
    My question. When Jesus died did he go to the Heavenly mercy seat to give His blood or direct to the right hand of God?

    If He did how and why?

    Thank you
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Richard, you are HEAVEN where THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER DWELLS and CHRIST sits at his right hand. You are the ARK OF THE COVENANT because he is, you are the the HOLY OF HOLY because he is, you are THE GOLDEN VESSEL ON THE TABLE OF THE SANCTUARY because he is. You are the TRUE TEMPLE because he is. The old was a shadow of the NEW the TRUE (CHRIST IN YOU). When Christ ascended from the Mt. of Olives into heaven it was you he ascended into the TRUE HEAVEN.

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy place made with hands (tent in the wilderness or Solomon's temple), which are a figure (shadow of better things); but into heaven itself (CHRIST IN YOU); now to appear in the PRESENTS of God for us:

    1 Timothy 6:16 ...dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see.....we are in the light because he is

    Zachariah 14:21-22 In that day (day of the Lord, CHRIST IN YOU) shall there be bells of the horses (bells were on the priest's garments to enter into the HOLY OF HOLY), HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the alter.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    We are the TEMPLE OF GOD, the HOLY OF HOLY (Christ in you) is now in us along with the TRUE MERCY SEAT (HIS blood now covering us) The old was a shadow of the HEAVENLY. We are the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS. JESUS IS THE TEMPLE we have become ONE TEMPLE.

    John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven (shadow of the NEW HEAVEN) .....

    Revelation 21:5 .....I make all things new...

    Revelation 21:1 ....new heaven and a new earth.... God's hew home (TRUE HEAVEN) with a body now longer made of the dust of earth; but of THE GLORY OF CHRIST.

    1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON EARTH (the shadow was the tent in the wilderness; afterwards Solomon's temple)? behold, the heaven (old) and the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (new) cannot contain THEE. How much less the house I have builded? God is INDEED DWELLING ON EARTH; but now in the NEW.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Earl, sounds good, but where is the repentance and remission of sins in this faith?

    Carleton
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Carleton, the question wasn't about repentance and remission of sins; but about the mercy seat.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Earl, Sorry I should have looked. The Mercy Seat is where we want to be, no matter what and no matter the cost to our selves and as you said, it is available for us now.
  • Richard - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    My question a few days ago: I have heard some say that when Jesus died and went into Heaven He swiped His hand across the mercy seat as Aaron did with animal blood. Did Jesus present himself before the mercy seat in Heaven because the earthly was a symbol of Heavenly and now shedding His own blood, Jesus is the mercy seat?

    Thank you.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Richard, Some thoughts. The Mercy Seat was not just above the Law preserved in the Ark but the light of the Gospel by the death and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ shines through the perfectly thin gold. His blood bought Life is the Mercy Seat and covers, but not darkens the Law which was provided by the Father. It is at this Mercy Seat, how can we know it, how can we know Jesus? We must by Faith have grace to enter in through the veil and place ourselves at the Lord Jesus's feet and repent of our sins and turn away from them by grace in faith, forever. Then we will be common with all who know Him and His forgiveness will blot out our death sentence by the law.
  • Evangelist - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    This response just blessed my heart. Obedience is better than sacrifice. The Lord is not slack when it comes to His Word or His promise. His Word will accomplish that which it is sent forth to do.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Keep the faith brother Evangelist. Obedience is a reasonable service for His sacrifice. Thank you for your reply.

    Carleton
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hi Richard, I believe there may be people who have put off the Mercy Seat until a later time in Heaven. Jesus spoke of the Jews, that he would have gathered them now, but they would not. I believe how he spoke then would apply to anyone who puts off His covering and blood bought Mercy Seat until another day. Perhaps by your question that seems to linger, you or someone you know is feeling the pull to know the True High Priest in this present body, which is His temple.

    A common friend in Christ Jesus.

    Carleton
  • Rev Robert Rivers on Hebrews 9:27
    Hebrews 9:27 if all men will die once what about those that are called up at the rapture?
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 9:27
    I believe this verse speaks about the certain end of all of mankind, i.e. death. That is the appointment we all have to keep except the Lord intervene. And that will be for the Christian, at the appearing of Christ for His Own, a time when they will escape death & be ushered right into the presence of Jesus forever.
  • Bob Grove on Hebrews 9:14
    2Timothy chapter 4 verses 3

    If it's not found in the scriptures it's a fable . And if the scriptures are not very defined and accurate don't twist them into something it's not saying . With out the Holy Spirits guidance you may very well end up with some corruption of the word of God .

    Those that corrupt the word of God are more than those that do not . Even in Apostle Paul's time . So most are false teachers and today we have armies of them .

    Read the bible for yourself seek the truth . Amen !

    God is faithful unto all Generations. His word endured for ever ! Jesus is Risen and coming again be ready !
  • Patricia England on Hebrews 9:14
    If a Christian makes a promise to GOD and does not keep it but continually repents for making that promise will GOD forgive them? The promise was made while in excruciating pain.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    The Bible says much about vows and oaths. I believe you made a promise, which is different as Psalm 76:11 indicates.

    Here is this websites commentary on That scripture:

    Redeemer.

    7-12 God's people are the meek of the earth, the quiet in the land, that suffer wrong, but do none. The righteous God seems to keep silence long, yet, sooner or later, he will make judgment to be heard. We live in an angry, provoking world; we often feel much, and are apt to fear more, from the wrath of man. What will not turn to his praise, shall not be suffered to break out. He can set bounds to the wrath of man, as he does to the raging sea; hitherto it shall come, and no further. Let all submit to God. Our prayers and praises, and especially our hearts, are The Presents we should bring to the Lord. His name is glorious, and he is the proper object of our fear. He shall cut off the spirit of princes; he shall slip it off easily, as we slip off a flower from the stalk, or a bunch of grapes from the vine; so the word signifies. He can dispirit the most daring: since there is no contending with God, it is our wisdom, as it is our duty, to submit to him. Let us seek his favour as our portion, and commit all our concerns to him.

    Commentary by Matthew Henry, 1710.

    I don't know what you vowed or promised, so I cannot say more. I think you should have a meeting with your Pastor and pray about this. Get this off your chest, so-to-speak.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    Beautiful!
  • Adam - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    Hello, yes, you will be forgiven if you follow Jesus. But under grace we still are accountable for our actions. Jesus asks us to avoid sin. Jesus says in the way we forgive others we will also be forgiven. Read Matthew 18.
  • Stephende on Hebrews 9
    Is Paul being obtuse with his criticism of Moses, Aaron and the One True God, El Shaddai, who is not divided or dissected , but rather obeyed. He is at once a Gid of mercy and a Gid of retribution. In my mind, Paul mangles what Jesus represented, which is thorough understanding and unrelenting obedience to Torah, which is the Word of God firsthand. Who can u understand Paul as he twists and I think mangles the word with subjective ruminations. The thesis that only adoration of Jesus is sufficient action needed for Salvation. That word is never mentioned in the Torah. It is a Chrisian construct entirely. Meanwhile, in these ladder days, instead of keeping a critical watch on what we are ad human beings, all they need do is smile a meekish smile and cite Jesus's name over and over to feel vindicated from the wellspring of evil in their hearts.
  • Armando on Hebrews 9
    Is it not then also possible that the second covenant may be broken by transgressions?
  • Frank morris - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Two questions. First explain Ezekiel 18? And how did king David receive forgiveness? No one can die for your sins, so I guess there is 3 forgiveness comes through what? Only explain in tanakh. Ok
  • Eutychus on Hebrews 9
    "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things..." Hebrews 10:1...looking ahead we see that the law was at best, a shadow, a figure, a type, with things on earth pre-shadowing both our lives as saints, and our lives in eternity. Chapter 9 is revealing how the types and shadows interact with the tabernacle and temple in light of our NT lives and living.
  • Eutychus on Hebrews 9
    "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these." The OT reveals in figures and patterns, the reality we live today in Christ Jesus. You must read Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy to find figures and patterns of those things we experience today, and will experience in heaven.
  • Alex on Hebrews 9
    This passage tells us that Moses ENJOINED Israel to the law ( BOOK ). Israel was MARRIED to the law and it continued into the early church, Thats y Paul is saying you are dead to the law by the body of Christ that you should be MARRIED to another even to him that was raised from the DEAD. BUT THIS SPRITUAL LOVE TRIANGLE ANSWERS TO David,Bathsheba, Uriah. the kingdom coming by a 2 nd Child TH H.G.
  • A disciple on Hebrews 9
    Louis (cont.); In the world of the beginning, what was it that caused the whole world to be corrupted and filled with violence and utterly WORTHLESS; so that ALL that God could do was to destroy everyone and everything, and start over with Noah and his sons? It was the sons of God the ones who HAD the knowledge of God and hardened their hearts and turned away from His Spirit of the Law and Christ!


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