Hebrews Chapter 9 Discussion



 
  • Philip Christian Parks on Hebrews 9
    the time of reformation; Heb. 9:10 = The Greek noun root (pronounced "ka-hee-ROS") translated here into "time" speaks of a very specific, short, and measurable period of time which features its own unique characteristics, and usually climaxes with an important decisive event. Contextually, the event was CHRIST's Crucifixion when "HE appeared to put away sin by the Sacrifice of HIMSELF" (v.26).

    The term "reformation" occurs only once in the N.T. ( Heb. 9:10)and translates from the Greek compound noun (pronounced "dee-OR-th-sis"). It combines two words:

    1st, the Greek preposition (pronounced "dee-AH"), meaning "by" or "through"; and

    2nd, the Greek adjective (pronounced "or-THOS"), meaning "straight", "erect", or "upright".

    The English language derives the grammatical element "ortho - ", relating especially to the spine and long straight bones of the skeletal system which enables humans to stand up straight and erect.

    It also derives the religious term "orthodox", which speaks of conforming to, and behaving according to healthy and approved doctrine.

    This Reformation speaks of LORD JESUS CHRIST fulfilling and abolishing the Old Testament sacrificial animal typology when HE sacrificed HIMSELF on Calvary's Cross.

    CHRIST's Soteriologic Reformation establishes all things "better", including, but not limited to, a

    + "better Hope" ( Heb. 7:19),

    + "better Testament" ( Heb. 7:22),

    + "better Covenant" ( Heb. 8:6),

    + "better Promises" ( Heb. 8:6,

    + "better country, that is an Heavenly" ( Heb. 11:16), and

    + "better Resurrection" ( Heb. 11:35).
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} getting to heaven - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Sorry Ed, I apologize, at death it is 2 Corinthians 5:6,8 I Misspoke 1 Corinthians, sorry....
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} getting To Heaven! - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Precious friend Ed, Great Question!

    First, believe God's Gospel Of Pure GRACE, and receive HIS ETERNAL Life! God's 'Simple' Will: Link

    Next, at expiration {death} your "spirit/soul Depart To Be In The Presence Of The LORD" {In Heaven!} 1 Corinthians 5:6,8 Philippians 1:21,23

    OR:

    IF The LORD "Does Not Tarry" in your lifetime, Then you Will Be "Changed Into Immortality/Incorruption To Meet HIM In the air!" 1 Corinthians 15:52-53 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

    To go to Judgment, IN HEAVEN! 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 1 Corinthians 3:6-15

    Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,? )
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} various washings on Hebrews 9
    Hebrews 9:10

    Precious friends, since God is "not the author of Confusion" 1 Corinthians 14:33, Would He not "Have The Biblical Answer" to all The denominational Confusion {I found 10 'Different water baptismal traditions' today...}? Please Be Encouraged And Edified!

    Part 1

    {Borrowed from 12 baptisms "study"} ONE of Israel's various {divers} washings! Greek: Baptismos = Hebrews 9:10:

    4. Levitical priesthood baptism Exodus 29:4 Leviticus 8:6 Numbers 8:7. This washing was The Second Requirement { The First being: "NO blemish!" Leviticus 21:21 }, in order to become a priest under the Law of Moses! Is this baptism in any way connected To baptism # 9?:

    9. "water" baptism of repentance that John preached (Before The Cross), And Peter continued (After The Cross!), to preach! Matthew 3:5-6 Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 John 1:31 Luke 7:29-30 Acts 10:37 Matthew 28:19 Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Acts 22:16 Ezekiel 36:25.

    a) Does this baptism "save" anyone Luke 7:29-30?

    b1) Is this baptism in any way "connected" to baptism # 4?

    b2) Wasn't John preparing National Israel for God's Promise For them "to be a nation of priests unto God" Exodus 19:6?

    b3) Was not The Second Requirement for priesthood induction, Washing? { may require re-review of baptism #4! }.

    b4) Did not CHRIST And The Twelve "heal" everyone in Israel who came to them, in order to meet "The FIRST Requirement" For the priesthood, that Of "NO blemish!"? Matthew 4:24 Acts 5:16 cp Leviticus 21:21

    Semi - conclusion? God {has Not 10 baptismS Today, but ONLY} ONE Baptism = Confusion SOLVED! And "PEACE {Not Confusion} In ALL the churches!" 1 Corinthians 14:33 Amen? Link

    More questions - to be continued in Part 2
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} various washings on Hebrews 9
    Part 2 More baptism questions for today's water adherents:

    9. "water" baptism of repentance:

    c) Is this baptism "for today"? IF this baptism is For us Today, we have Several More Questions:

    c1) Why does No one Today, "teach, as John ( Under The LAW! ), Claimed": it is For "making CHRIST Manifest To Israel" John 1:31?

    c2) Why does {Almost} No one Today, "Confess their sins," when they come to water baptism Matthew 3:6 Mark 1:5?

    c3) Why do not ALL Divided "denominations who Water baptize" today, agree As ONE, And "teach" water as John, CHRIST, And The Twelve ( Under The LAW! ), "taught" That "water baptism Is For The Remission Of sins!" Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3 Acts 2:38 { instead of each one's own "symbolic Re-Interpreted Traditions!" }?

    10. Baptism Of Anointing?: Pentecostal Spirit baptism; This is the baptism "WITH" The Holy Spirit, BY JESUS CHRIST, From Heaven, Poured Out Upon the believing remnant of Israel with signs and powers following. Isaiah 44:3 Matthew 3:11 Mark 1:8 Mark 16:17-18 Luke 24:49 Acts 2:17-18 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:15-17 Acts 11:16.

    And, is not This The THIRD Requirement For "priesthood induction" = Anointing? Compare Exodus 29:7 Leviticus 8:10-12.

    Is God Performing "This" Baptism On us TODAY? IF so, Why NO "signs and powers"?

    Conclusion: IF any water adherent, today, Under GRACE, believes he/she has been water baptized into the 'Israeli priesthood,' is he/she Absolutely Sure he/she Has Met The other Two Requirements Of God? IF he/she has Not "met them," then does not The Following apply To us Today?:

    God Superseded Two baptisms, Under Law, With ONE Baptism, Under GRACE! Link

    Further Note: Paul, in Romans through Philemon, has No doctrine of 'priesthood' for The Body Of CHRIST, Under GRACE, Today, hmm...

    Prophecy vs MYSTERY: Link

    God's 'Simple' Will: Link
  • Messenger - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Ed on Hebrews 9

    How do you get to heaven?

    You are replying to a comment by "Ed"

    Heaven:

    Matthew 22:14

    Revelation 14:3 144,000 (only taken from the earth Matthew 20:23)

    1 Corinthians 15:42-44

    Revelation 20 (Only one can be president and only a few

    can be co-rulers. when Jehovah/ Psalm 83:18 choses a person...no one can steal that

    away (not family, friends or acquaintances etc.). only that person can decide if they want to receive the invitation of reject it. Mark 10:17-31)

    Earth: Isa. 45:18

    2 Peter 3:13

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34

    John 5:28,29

    Revelation 21:3-5

    Luke 23:42, 43 (Earth will be a paradise again

    just like the days of genesis 1,2)

    Matthew 11:26-30 (Jesus will comfort those remaining on earth)

    Hope this helps
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    You do as Jesus told Nicodemas in John 3; be born again and receive Jesus as your Savior and Lord.

    There is a link on this website named

    "Become a Christian". It's right where you clicked to enter this room.

    It tells you step by step and even has a prayer you can pray. You receive salvation by the words of your mouth. Jesus will send The Holy Spirit to you. He teaches you everything you need to know about Jesus.

    Everybody in this room will become your brothers and sisters in Christ. We'll try to answer all your questions with the love of Christ.

    It's such a grand thing to buy your first Bible and write your name in it. Revelation 22:7 Your name is written down in the Book of Life.

    From my experience it's easier if you'll find a church that teaches Bible and not philosophy. You can ask the Holy Spirit anything.

    Start reading in Matthew and head towards the back of the Bible. I love Romans 7 because Paul asked himself all the questions I was mulling over too :D

    Welcome to Gods family!
  • Ed on Hebrews 9
    How do you get to heaven
  • KJV warrior - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    saved by GRACE, through faith!
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Keep the faith brother Evangelist. Obedience is a reasonable service for His sacrifice. Thank you for your reply.

    Carleton
  • William - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    I believe you are correct in saying that we cannot believe in Christ without believing who he is or what he said. We are saved and made righteous according to Romans 4 by believing God that His obedience and death was Gods provision for us and that His resurrection is proof of that.



    Faith in Christ Jesus means we believe God. It the faith of Christ that saves us. His faith, His death, His resurrection.

    See Galatians 2:20

    When we fully trust that alone as our justification before God, we are given His spirit to live out that life until we are

    given our glorified bodies, just as Christ now has a Glorified body.
  • Starbux - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    John, yes, I obeyed. Amen.

    Acts 2:38 is the New Testament salvation. It's for everyone near & far. Jesus spoke this in John 3:3-5 that we can not enter the kingdom of God w/o water & the Spirit. There is blood in that water. Hallelujah
  • Evangelist - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    This response just blessed my heart. Obedience is better than sacrifice. The Lord is not slack when it comes to His Word or His promise. His Word will accomplish that which it is sent forth to do.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hi Richard, I believe there may be people who have put off the Mercy Seat until a later time in Heaven. Jesus spoke of the Jews, that he would have gathered them now, but they would not. I believe how he spoke then would apply to anyone who puts off His covering and blood bought Mercy Seat until another day. Perhaps by your question that seems to linger, you or someone you know is feeling the pull to know the True High Priest in this present body, which is His temple.

    A common friend in Christ Jesus.

    Carleton
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Richard, you are HEAVEN where THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER DWELLS and CHRIST sits at his right hand. You are the ARK OF THE COVENANT because he is, you are the the HOLY OF HOLY because he is, you are THE GOLDEN VESSEL ON THE TABLE OF THE SANCTUARY because he is. You are the TRUE TEMPLE because he is. The old was a shadow of the NEW the TRUE (CHRIST IN YOU). When Christ ascended from the Mt. of Olives into heaven it was you he ascended into the TRUE HEAVEN.

    Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy place made with hands (tent in the wilderness or Solomon's temple), which are a figure (shadow of better things); but into heaven itself (CHRIST IN YOU); now to appear in the PRESENTS of God for us:

    1 Timothy 6:16 ...dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see.....we are in the light because he is

    Zachariah 14:21-22 In that day (day of the Lord, CHRIST IN YOU) shall there be bells of the horses (bells were on the priest's garments to enter into the HOLY OF HOLY), HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the alter.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Richard, Some thoughts. The Mercy Seat was not just above the Law preserved in the Ark but the light of the Gospel by the death and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ shines through the perfectly thin gold. His blood bought Life is the Mercy Seat and covers, but not darkens the Law which was provided by the Father. It is at this Mercy Seat, how can we know it, how can we know Jesus? We must by Faith have grace to enter in through the veil and place ourselves at the Lord Jesus's feet and repent of our sins and turn away from them by grace in faith, forever. Then we will be common with all who know Him and His forgiveness will blot out our death sentence by the law.
  • Richard - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    My question a few days ago: I have heard some say that when Jesus died and went into Heaven He swiped His hand across the mercy seat as Aaron did with animal blood. Did Jesus present himself before the mercy seat in Heaven because the earthly was a symbol of Heavenly and now shedding His own blood, Jesus is the mercy seat?

    Thank you.
  • John - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Acts 2:38 is the first Christian message ever preached and it needs to be obeyed.

    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Galatians 3:27-29 KJV

    What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

    Romans 6:1-5 KJV

    In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    Colossians 2:11-14 KJV

    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

    1 Peter 3:20-21 kjv
  • Inquiring times on Hebrews 9
    My question is are you saved in believing who Jesus is ? Or what Jesus did ?

    My take is if you don't believe that he is the Christ you will not believe in his words or work .

    Even the devils know who God is and tremble . Said James .

    There is more to just believing , although that's where it starts .

    Also many types of love and not all are good . I hear people saying like the Beatles all you need is love , but love can be for the wrong things . Love of God is totally different, you can not love the world and God too .
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Earl, Sorry I should have looked. The Mercy Seat is where we want to be, no matter what and no matter the cost to our selves and as you said, it is available for us now.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Carleton, the question wasn't about repentance and remission of sins; but about the mercy seat.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Hello Earl, sounds good, but where is the repentance and remission of sins in this faith?

    Carleton
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 9
    Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    We are the TEMPLE OF GOD, the HOLY OF HOLY (Christ in you) is now in us along with the TRUE MERCY SEAT (HIS blood now covering us) The old was a shadow of the HEAVENLY. We are the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS. JESUS IS THE TEMPLE we have become ONE TEMPLE.

    John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven (shadow of the NEW HEAVEN) .....

    Revelation 21:5 .....I make all things new...

    Revelation 21:1 ....new heaven and a new earth.... God's hew home (TRUE HEAVEN) with a body now longer made of the dust of earth; but of THE GLORY OF CHRIST.

    1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON EARTH (the shadow was the tent in the wilderness; afterwards Solomon's temple)? behold, the heaven (old) and the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (new) cannot contain THEE. How much less the house I have builded? God is INDEED DWELLING ON EARTH; but now in the NEW.
  • Richard on Hebrews 9
    My question. When Jesus died did he go to the Heavenly mercy seat to give His blood or direct to the right hand of God?

    If He did how and why?

    Thank you
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 9:27
    I believe this verse speaks about the certain end of all of mankind, i.e. death. That is the appointment we all have to keep except the Lord intervene. And that will be for the Christian, at the appearing of Christ for His Own, a time when they will escape death & be ushered right into the presence of Jesus forever.
  • Rev Robert Rivers on Hebrews 9:27
    Hebrews 9:27 if all men will die once what about those that are called up at the rapture?
  • Carleton - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    Beautiful!
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    The Bible says much about vows and oaths. I believe you made a promise, which is different as Psalm 76:11 indicates.

    Here is this websites commentary on That scripture:

    Redeemer.

    7-12 God's people are the meek of the earth, the quiet in the land, that suffer wrong, but do none. The righteous God seems to keep silence long, yet, sooner or later, he will make judgment to be heard. We live in an angry, provoking world; we often feel much, and are apt to fear more, from the wrath of man. What will not turn to his praise, shall not be suffered to break out. He can set bounds to the wrath of man, as he does to the raging sea; hitherto it shall come, and no further. Let all submit to God. Our prayers and praises, and especially our hearts, are The Presents we should bring to the Lord. His name is glorious, and he is the proper object of our fear. He shall cut off the spirit of princes; he shall slip it off easily, as we slip off a flower from the stalk, or a bunch of grapes from the vine; so the word signifies. He can dispirit the most daring: since there is no contending with God, it is our wisdom, as it is our duty, to submit to him. Let us seek his favour as our portion, and commit all our concerns to him.

    Commentary by Matthew Henry, 1710.

    I don't know what you vowed or promised, so I cannot say more. I think you should have a meeting with your Pastor and pray about this. Get this off your chest, so-to-speak.
  • Bob Grove on Hebrews 9:14
    2Timothy chapter 4 verses 3,4

    If it's not found in the scriptures it's a fable . And if the scriptures are not very defined and accurate don't twist them into something it's not saying . With out the Holy Spirits guidance you may very well end up with some corruption of the word of God .

    Those that corrupt the word of God are more than those that do not . Even in Apostle Paul's time . So most are false teachers and today we have armies of them .

    Read the bible for yourself seek the truth . Amen !

    God is faithful unto all Generations. His word endured for ever ! Jesus is Risen and coming again be ready !
  • Adam - in Reply on Hebrews 9:14
    Hello, yes, you will be forgiven if you follow Jesus. But under grace we still are accountable for our actions. Jesus asks us to avoid sin. Jesus says in the way we forgive others we will also be forgiven. Read Matthew 18.


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