Hebrews Chapter 5 Discussion

  • Brenda on Hebrews 5
    Every High Priest is ordained to do what 2 things
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Oops, Believer,

    I replied to you under the top comment in this thread. Please see it there.
  • I AM THE BELIEVER FROM THE WEST - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    In reply to cheryl dunhams question: since melchisedec had no earthly (father ) and no earthly ( mother ) and no earthly (beginning of days ) or ( end of life ) but was ( made ) like unto the ( son of god !! ) it is fair to say that he just ( is ).

    which is to say : he is beneath the great ( i - am !!! )

    but above we humans of ( birth !! ) because he was ( made !!! )

    so he has to fall under the catorgory of (just - is !!! )
  • Dav47 - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

    Abraham never tithes to anyone but GOD! Break the word down into Hebrew; Melchi means King; sedec means the just. Melchisedec means King of the just (Elect) there is only one!!

    Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

    There can only be one begotten Son of GOD. CHRIST Who is the only priest for eternity.

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  • Doug - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    The scripture at the end of Hebrews 6 and continuing into chapter seven is referencing the account in Genesis 14 where Melchisedec appears (with no reference to his origin) to bless Abraham. Melchisedec is a pattern for Christ's priesthood because he didn't come out of the tribe of Levi. The scripture says he is the priest of Salem. Salem eventually became know as Jerusalem. So Melchisedec is a good pattern for Christ being the High Priest of the heavenly Jerusalem (end of Hebrews 12). Take time to ponder Hebrews 7 and the comparisons that are made in it.
  • Suze - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Hi Cheryl , you can read about Melchizedek in Genesis Ch 14 V 18-20 . God bless you in your Bible studies .
  • Cheryl dunham on Hebrews 5
    who is Melchisedec in Hebrews 5:10
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    That's great brother Jesse,

    You seem to have a lot of talent!!

    I'm pretty good at snapping my fingers and clapping my also. Enjoy yourself, just checking on you.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Brother Spencer,

    All is well, thank you so much for asking. That means a lot to me. I have been away from here for a bit. I took a trip to Flagstaff AZ for a Bluegrass music festival. I play guitar, mandolin, banjo, dobro, and a little bit of fiddle too (Not so good on the fiddle, but learning, just enough to get by)! I had a lot of fun getting together with some other musicians and doing a little "jamming." Bluegrass Gospel is my favorite music!

    Anyway, I am taking another 3-week trip to see my grandkids. I'll probably be in and out of here as time permits. But all is well. Thanks again for checking up on me. No matter the circumstance, whether good or bad, the Lord is good. God Bless!!!
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Goodmorning Brother Jesse.

    I Hope all is well.

    God bless
  • Karen Calhoun - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Thanks S. Spencer, this will be a simple way to explain to one without overwhelming them with so much scripture they may not understand!
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Hi Karen.

    I would like to add to what Brother Jesse shared,

    Hebrews 4:11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

    "This is A CALL BEFORE HAND, not a call afterwards.". IT SAYS ENTER INTO HIS REST "LEST" YOU FALL. and that rest is to rest from your works, The only way you can fall is unbelief, and if you have unbelief you never entered in. The unbelief is NOT taking stock in HIS REST AND OUR REST HE HAS GIVEN US MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS VERSES.

    If we refuses the finish work on the cross and insist in a works based salvation plan you have not joined him in his rest, and may fall after the same example of unbelief, ( Disbelieving in the rest we have when joined to Christ. )

    Hebrews 4:10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

    God bless.
  • Luis - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    amen....brother. but how sad when this person is a relative that you love.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    They have to make Jesus their Lord and Savior. He sheds his blood over our sins. They must have their names RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF LIFE. Priority number one.

    Revelation 20:12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    Revelation 3:5 - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    Revelation 21:27 - And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

    Revelation 20:15 - And whosoever was not found written in the BOOK OF LIFE was cast into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 3:1-6 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (Read More...)

    Revelation 20:11-15 - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    Luke 10:20 - Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (The Book of Life)

    Exodus 32:33 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

    Psalms 69:28 - Let them be blotted out of the book of the living (Life) and not be written with the righteous.

    Malachi 3:16 - Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 5

    If the person is a non-believer and has already made up their mind and rejected the gospel message shared with them, you are under no obligation to explain anything to them. What we have is very precious. We have Christ. If a person does not want to hear the good news, then so be it. We are not to cast our pearls before the swine. Here's something that every believer should realize. We have got something very, very, precious. We don't have to prove anything to anybody. We are not under any pressure to meet any quota.

    Now, if the person is a believer, born of God's Spirit, and they believe they can lose their salvation, something you might ask them is who are they trusting in for their salvation. Are they trusting in Christ who has saved them, sealed them with His Spirit until the day of redemption, and who has promised He will never leave them? Or, are they trusting in themselves to keep themselves saved? It's better to trust in the one who has saved us, the one who is keeping us saved by His own power, and the one who said He will never leave us nor forsake us!
  • Karen Calhoun on Hebrews 5
    Hebrews 4:11 Makes it sound like one is in danger of losing salvation yet other scripture leads one to believe salvation can not be taken away! How do I explain this to unbeliever if question comes up?
  • Philip Christian Parks - in Reply on Hebrews 5:8
    Heb. 5:8 "the things which HE suffered" = Verse seven provides the answer as to what CHRIST "suffered". Translated from the Greek verb root (pronounced "PAS-kho"), the word "suffered" speaks of CHRIST experiencing and enduring physical and mental pain, hardship, and need. The English language derives the noun "passion" from the Greek verb "pascho".

    While John 11:35 records the only occurrence of JESUS CHRIST shedding tears as HE wept at Lazarus' grave, Luke 22:44 records HIS Gethsemane "agony" so severe that "HIS sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."

    So the expression here in Hebrews (5:7), "with strong crying and tears" bears out the fact of CHRIST's "strong" emotional outbursts in Gethsemane before HE "suffered" death.

    Here, the Greek word translated "strong" speaks of an emotional upheaval so intense that the sufferer is unable to resist its eruption into gut-wrenching weeping and sobbing.

    Such was the manner of JESUS CHRIST's "prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto HIM".

    CHRIST's "suffering", and because HIS Heavenly FATHER was "able to save HIM from death", qualifies CHRIST as the believer's singular and sole "HIGH PRIEST" ( Heb. 5:5) in the realm of Salvation.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Hebrews 5
    Heb. 5:7 = This verse speaks specifically of CHRIST's emotional "agony" in the Garden of Gethsemane. HE prayed to HIS FATHER immediately before HIS arrest, trials, and crucifixion (cp. Mt.26:37-38; Mk. 14:33-34; Lu. 22:42-44).

    While in Matthew 6:9-15 LORD JESUS CHRIST provided instruction on the "manner" of verbal praying, and of that for which believers must pray, here ( Heb. 5:7), The LORD exemplary demonstrated the spiritual attitude when praying required for GOD The FATHER to "hear" and accept. Following CHRIST's example, the one praying must

    1st, realize his extreme and total physical weakness and helpless impotence prohibiting him from controlling his personal condition and his environmental situation: "WHO in the days of HIS flesh, ".

    2nd, actually realize the dreadful situation requires prayer (cp. Mt. 17:21; Mk. 9:29), prompting the petitioner to "boldly" ( Heb. 4:16) and verbally communicate the prayer: "when HE had offered up prayers and supplications unto HIM".

    3rd, pray deliberately and purposefully from the heart: "with strong crying and tears".

    Note, often such extreme circumstances defy putting such prayers into understandable and meaningful verbal expressions. In such cases GOD does not leave HIS beloved children to their own devices, but rather HE supernaturally accompanies the petitioner ( Rom. 8:26):

    "Likewise The SPIRIT also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but The SPIRIT itself maketh Intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

    4th, pray to The Only ONE that can and will "hear" and respond to the pitiful cries of the petitioner: "unto HIM (GOD The FATHER) that was able to save".

    Contrast this great reality with idolators' idols ( Ps. 115:4 & 6; 135:17):

    "Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have ears, but they hear not."

    5th, pray with the sole and only spiritual attitude acceptable to GOD: "in that HE feared."
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Hi Ivette.

    Israel's disobedience never derailed God's plans, You'll find your answers in Numbers ch 31, "Whole chapter " And story also in the story of Issac and Ishmael, and Jacob and Essau.

    And what actually what makes a Jew " a Jew? " You know Ruth was a Moabite who is in the Grandmother of King David and so is Rahab the Harlot.

    That's not a problem for God, like John the baptist told the Pharisees in

    Matthew 3:9.

    ""And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.""

    I hope that helps
  • Ivette - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    How does the Jewish race exist if throughout their journey in the wilderness [desert] Israel fought against many tribes and took in the maidens as wives?
  • Alex Ochieng on Hebrews 5
    I love Jesus as my personal saviour
  • Ralston G McBeath on Hebrews 5
    Why do preachers persist in telling Gentile Congregations that everything that Jesus taught and said while He was on earth was directed to them? It clearly was not because He was talking to Jews under the law the whole time. No Gentile was allowed in to a synagogue. He was talking to Jews when he gave the Disciples the great commission. He told the disciples Matt.10:5-6, not to go to the Gentiles. They were also called dogs by him as well as all Jews, (Ref. the caananite woman who asked for help). People are going to Hell because they are not being told the truth. The Apostle Paul called by Jesus. Plainly stated, that Gospel we are saved by is the one in 1Cor. 15:1-4 and stated in Galatians Ch. 1, that anybody that preached any other, Let him be accursed and that he got it by revelation from Jesus Himself. Jesus never preached any gospel but the Gospel of the Kingdom. He could not, because He had not been crucified yet. I know a lot of what He said was for our learning as Paul said, but He came here to fulfill the covenant promises , to be the King of the Jews AND to turn them into a nation of priests, who would then take salvation to the Gentiles. This failed because of the unbelief of his own people. Paul also stated in the bible that we, Jew and Gentile, would be judged by the righteous judge, according to his gospel, which was the Gospel of Grace ( 1Cor. 15:1-4). Why aren't people being told that? Again, people are filling pews every Sunday, thinking they are saved and are going to hell because they have not been told the truth. This is ALL in the book and preachers are not preaching it... WHY??? Don't tell me that the Apostle Paul has no standing because He was called by Jesus himself and wrote half the New Testament AFTER he spent three years in Arabia probably on Mount Sinai, getting a three year Revelation from Jesus, the same as the Disciples got from Him in person when He preached the Gospel of the Kingdom.
  • Lee Spencer on Hebrews 5:8
    What things did Jesus sufferwhereby he learned obedeince
  • TelePete on Hebrews 5
    Wheat is the forbidden fruit itself. It is the herb of the field. We will eat it in the sweat of our face because it causes Celiac Disease and a host of other autoimmune problems. Men were the hunters, woman the gatherers. Woman were the first to gather the seeds of wheat and then make bread which was then offered to the men. So it was. No one to blame. In sorry most continue to eat it all the days of their life, never realizing the cause of their intestinal demise. Hippocrates said, "all disease begins in the gut" and "let food be thy medicine." The hunters had it right.

    Eat meat, not wheat! They next chapter, the story of Cain and Abel will tell you the same. This was our fall from grace.
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Melchizedek was a King of Salem (an old reference to a city that eventually became the position of modern Jerusalem) & a priest. In those early days, gentile kings often had the duty of being a priest as well to their people. Though he was a gentile (a Canaanite) but one of such standing & belief of the True God, that he was not only worthy of mention, but his lack of revealed ancestry, provided a picture of the eternal priesthood of Jesus (to which Hebrews ascribe).

    When you read the Genesis 14 account of Abraham & Melchizedek, we see that this king acknowledged Abraham returning from war & provided him & his men victuals to sustain them. In return, Abraham gave to him tithes (a tenth) of the spoils of war, thereby acknowledging his position & help given & the blessing of God upon him for doing this for God's servant. Ordinarily, such a gentile would not have been given much attention & respect, but Melchizedek was a different character in many ways.
  • ERNEST ISTRE on Hebrews 5
    Who was melchisedes....
  • Marilyn T on Hebrews 5
    Glad that this chapter explained the difference between a "babe and a mature Christian." Often when one becomes a New

    Christian, some believe that they should know everything about God at once. Some want them to stop doing, going or wearing

    what they did prior to accepting Christ. It can be a gradual step just like a Baby. They should not be abused or casted down

    because they do not immediately act as Mature Christians. Just as it takes a Baby time to develop , so does it take time for

    Baby Christian. There hearts will be convicted as they walk with God. Be careful how you speak to them. They will learn by

    your good example of being a Mature Christian.
  • Stephende - in Reply on Hebrews 5
    Remember in the desert how El Shaddai took Moses aside and told him, when the Priest following Korah were immolated and others swallowed whole into Sheol, that He would decimate these rebels and make a people of Moses. And God was willing to destroy them with a plague. Moses interceded and stayed El Shaddai. He would talk to the people and bring them in line. Today a plague, which have no doubt comes from God and threatens to destroy en masse. This is from El Shaddai for our iniquities!!! Righteousness have devolved into partisan bickering. The Truth is elusive and facts are contorted to fit our leader's agenda!!. Evangelicals are largely responsible in that they were willing to compromise their values in order to facilitate their anti choice agenda, their anti personal freedom agenda. So they made a deal with Satan, that got their inarguably evil leader in place. So, this is what we have. Historically bad leadership on an historically bad plague. We as American's are laughing stock, while evangelicals pray to a Jesus that wouldn't return to earth from the sky with heralding angels to save anyone from this pandemic!
  • Gicheru Geoffrey Mwangi on Hebrews 5:14
    Sin is what makes us die for as one sins one gets used to sin and is addicted reason we envy,jealous and eventually kill another,oppress another because you have the power to do so;death is not God's intention for us but when we get to know that reality we no longer babes but mature spirit driven knowing the good and bad subconsciously,during this Covid-19 novelty God Jehova wants human beings to know something about His power,not our power.
  • Brianna vs 7 on Hebrews 5
    Jesus set the pattern for us in learning how to endure. In vs. 7 Jesus relied on his heavenly father " with strong crying & tears" to help him endure his death on a torture stake. Jesus never broke his integrity to his father Jehovah, and the results" He was heard". So many of us are experiencing many trials right now as a result of the global pandemic 2020. It may feel like we are enduring a torture stake of our own. However, let us call out to God as Jesus did, in prayer. With tears and supplication if need be. If we remain loyal to God in word and deed, he will hear our cries for help just as he heard Jesus. Stay strong everybody!

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