Hebrews Chapter 12 Discussion

  • John ray - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    I also like Hebrew 13:2 I try to think about that one and Isaiah has a lot against the one would be 55-6 have a good day take care
  • Bob BRADLEY on Hebrews 12
    I so enjoy reading the bible evert day
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 12:1
    Amen Brother D W L.

    God bless you.
  • D W L on Hebrews 12:1
    James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (This is the word of God - not an opinion)

    Romans 6:15-23 (verse 18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

    Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (comment-What if you die suddenly while committing one of the above)

    Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. ( There is a difference in a fault and willful sin)
  • Don't Forget We Carry the Good News - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Mark 16:15 | View whole chapter

    And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    We all need to remember that Jesus said this to all of His followers. Everyone can participate in some kind of capacity. If you can't go, be part of intercessory prayer groups to pray for those that do go. Fund the missionaries your church sends out.

    Give an offering to God__and bless those who need Bible tracts as they go minister on the streets of your city.

    Figure out what part of the Body of Christ you are. I'm his feet. Hear the call.
  • Donna G. Warren on Hebrews 12
    Bible...King James ...pray , study ,reach out , learn from experiences... Trust in the Lord with all your heart...( Prov. 3:5-7) .God Bless !
  • Janet D - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Just now read your response, thank you brother!
  • Philip - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Greetings Janet,

    I hear ya! I feel you! We all go through the same things at various times. The key is to "endure"; stay focused on the Word and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, trusting Him and not your own understanding or that of others. Just STAND on what you believe and what you know. The rest will come as needed.

    I recommend you stay in the King James Bible as much as possible. These perversions that pass fir Scripture today should be burned.

    I have left churches for the same reason that you contemplate. I can't tell you to leave your church; that is something you must work out with the Spirit. I will say that many are vexed by the teaching of these versions but don't understand why. You seem to understand why.

    Let the Spirit lead and don't fear change if needed! You are stronger and wiser than you know when do.

    Stay in the Word and stay blessed.
  • Janet D - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Thank you for the encouragement to not overthink things-as I find myself at such unrest when I do.

    I am in the word and am beyond grateful for more time to study the word now that I am retired.

    Since I have been studying more, several things have come my way.

    The question of saved vs being saved, also the differences in Bible translations.

    The church I go to uses the NIV, which I am now wondering about as the NIV says being saved vs saved, being sanctified vs sanctified.

    Oh boy, how can there be so much division or differing interpretations!

    It is very important, in fact nothing else matters beyond knowing Gods truth, for we are to go and tell the world about Him and his one true gospel. We are to be one in Christ!

    So do I leave my church and find another where they use a translation that preaches saved vs being saved?

    Thanks ahead of time
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17

    It says follow peace with all people, and the term follow is literally continually be pursuing. If I were to have the Lord's permission to insert a little note here, it would be "Now concerning your relationship with your fellow teammates, continually pursue peace with your brethren, the one's you are running the race with."

    Follow after peace, and then it says, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

    Who are you supposed to be seeing? The Lord! If you get off the track, if you get out of running the race, your eyes are no longer on Jesus.

    Something else I am looking at in this verse is the word holiness. You are correct in saying "As long as we live in our earthly bodies we (our flesh nature) will not be 'sinless'." Our flesh is corrupt. The only holiness we have is Christ in us. And it is Christ in us that gives us the ability to be continually pursuing peace with our brothers and sisters in Christ.
  • Phil Murray - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Hello Janet,

    Holy simply means "separate" in the Hebrew (and Greek) language, and it simply is a commandment to separate ourselves from "worldly" living, thinking, desires, etc. True no one is or ever will be without sin in this life, for ALL have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. But all through the gospels we are encouraged to "crucify" the flesh daily and walk in the Spirit. Be ye not "unequally yoked" with unbelievers, is the basic premise in that context. Don't over-think it, sister, or you will set yourself up for failure. Been there; done that! Lol! Just BE JANET, and believe; the Holy Spirit will guide you the rest of the way.

    God bless and keep you!
  • Suze - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    If you believe in Jesus , that he is the Son of God and you have been baptized into him then he is your righteousness and your sins are forgiven . As long as you try very hard to live your life in a way that is acceptable to God , you will still sin some times , we all do , as long as you are trying and when you do fail you talk to God about it and ask Him to forgive you through the name of Jesus Christ , then you will be forgiven .
  • Free - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Dear "Janet D", Body, soul and Spirit all belong to the Lord. Jesus came to earth for us in a carnal state. Compared to Him, we are sinners. He was/is not. But on the Cross God neeeded too leave Him, so Jesus could die. Jesus had to use his last strength in a few words. Mark 15:34

    When we say we are not sinners it is because Jesus simply, the one / those who believe in Me will be saved. John 14:6. We are washed clean of what He bled on Calvary. John 13:10 What was before Christ was a lawful deed. Is now by His offer given us freedom from the law. Jesus fulfilled the whole law.

    I can not give you any shortcuts. But for your own part, read the New Testament and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Also read the references to the old testament. Get the assurance of salvation dear.

    The apostle Paul writes a lot about Sanctification, the body of sin and salvation in his letters, example Romans 8

    Be and stay blessed in His Holy Name, love u in Christ.
  • Janet D on Hebrews 12:17
    Reading the people Bible commentary for Heb 12:14, it says: pure and sinless lives, without a holy life no one shall be in fellowship with God. No man shall see the Lord.

    Can someone please comment on this,

    As long as we live in our earthly bodies we (our flesh nature) will not be 'sinless',

    Thank you.
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Mathew 19.28 Luke 22.30


    Palms 122 .5. Thrones

    Revelation 20.4

    And I saw THRONES , and they that say upon them , and judgement was given unto them
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Brother Dan, the throne of God is a LITERAL PHYSICAL place, CHRIST IN YOU. As Christ is the throne of his Father, because the Father indwells Christ, Christ indwells you, making you the THRONE of the Father, Son and you.

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh, I will grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN..... the NEW dwelling place and the NEW throne of God..CHRIST IN YOU

    Isaiah 66:1 ........where is the THE HOUSE ye built unto me

    Hebrews 3:6 ...But Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE

    Isaiah 66:1 .......and where is my place of REST.....The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and YOU are at REST TOGETHER in the NEW heaven, the NEW temple made without hands, the NEW place of worship ( John 4:19-22).

    Cease from your works as God has ceased from his works, the WORKS were FINISHED at the cross.

    The only LABOUR left is to bring man TO KNOWLEDGE

    Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into captivity, because they have no KNOWLEDGE: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitudes dried up with thirst.
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Gods throne is more real than you or I could image !
  • David - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Hi Brother Dan What you shared is a tremendous figure of speech called condescensio which is attributing to God human characteristics to explain his workings at our level the way he functions. Examples God bared His arm, the eyes of the lord Go to and fro in the earth, God walks with us and talks with us, and of course the one you gave. In Gods word these are used precisely to bring our attention to a specific point. Its a very interesting study in itself, also the bible has over 400 of them in it incredible.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking on, you are correct, there is one God and Father of ALL, ever thing is by INHERITANCE.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    I believe that Gods/Jesus thrown "is Heaven". All of Heaven.

    Isaiah 66:1

    "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

    The throne of God should not be thought of as a literal throne. God the Father is nonphysical. So not having a physical body, God does not " virtually sit." When we envision a divine throne it is akin to biblical allusions to God's "hand" or "mouth" or "eyes"-they are nonmaterial.

    Hope this helps to put "throne" in perspective.

    God Bless
  • Jesus at the right hand of God - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Exodus 15:6

    Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

    Luke 22:69

    Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

    Mark 14:62

    And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Matthew 26:64

    Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Hebrews 1:3

    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Acts 7:55

    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

    Psalms 118:16

    The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

    Colossians 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    You said it Jesus inherited from the father . Therefore it was not his until the father gave it to him . God the father is God and father of all , including Jesus . But Jesus is the only begotten Son of God of the father as you well know . All authorities have been given Jesus from the Father as well , he did not have that or it would not have been given him .

    If you have all the money in the world and controlled all banks . It would be unnecessary to give you what you already have . More money it would have been yours already .You Would inquire where did you get my money ?
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Yes Jesus has a throne and His father has a throne 1+1=2
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Dear seeking,

    Yes, there is only one God who sits on the throne. You are true in saying that. But could the one on the throne be Christ Himself? Did Christ not inherit the throne? Does scripture not tell us that Jesus Christ has inherited all things from the Father?

    Concerning Christ the Son, in Hebrews Chapter 1 Verse 8, it is God the Father who says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

    Jesus here is being called God. Interesting!!!
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking on,

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    God bless,

  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Jesus plainly said there are 2 thrones his and the fathers .

    Hope that helps .
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking, sitting at the right hand of the Father represents that Christ is the body that does all things the Father shows him to DO.

    There is only one throne:

    Revelation 3:21 He that overcometh will I (Christ) grant to sit with me (Christ) on my throne, even as I (Christ) overcame, an am set down with my Father own his throne.

    John 17:21 That they all may be ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.
  • English Sacha - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Thank you , very well put .
  • Seeking on Hebrews 12
    Hebrews 12.2

    Why did Jesus sit down at the right hand of God and not sit on Gods throne ?

    Stephen say Jesus at the right hand of God in Acts as well .

    The conclusion must be there is only one God sitting on His throne .

    Jesus is sitting by him at his right hand , not at all the same thing .

    Jesus certainly is the Son of God sent to be the Christ or messiah , by God sitting on the throne .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 12:28
    Rina Maria Lei,

    You've said well, and I also agree with Mishael. If I might say something about the very next verse, it says "For our God is a consuming fire."

    The writer of Hebrews is speaking to Hebrew (Jewish) people and saying, "You want to go back under the Old Covenant? The only thing you have to look forward to is the consuming fire of God." That's it!

    The writer is telling them that through Christ, you'll have eternal life and be part of the heavenly city where God dwells. But for those people who don't want to identify with Christ, they will suffer the judgment of God.

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