Hebrews Chapter 12 Discussion



 
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Mathew 19.28 Luke 22.30

    THRONES

    Palms 122 .5. Thrones

    Revelation 20.4

    And I saw THRONES , and they that say upon them , and judgement was given unto them
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Brother Dan, the throne of God is a LITERAL PHYSICAL place, CHRIST IN YOU. As Christ is the throne of his Father, because the Father indwells Christ, Christ indwells you, making you the THRONE of the Father, Son and you.

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh, I will grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN..... the NEW dwelling place and the NEW throne of God..CHRIST IN YOU

    Isaiah 66:1 ........where is the THE HOUSE ye built unto me

    Hebrews 3:6 ...But Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE

    Isaiah 66:1 .......and where is my place of REST.....The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and YOU are at REST TOGETHER in the NEW heaven, the NEW temple made without hands, the NEW place of worship ( John 4:19-22).

    Cease from your works as God has ceased from his works, the WORKS were FINISHED at the cross.

    The only LABOUR left is to bring man TO KNOWLEDGE

    Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into captivity, because they have no KNOWLEDGE: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitudes dried up with thirst.
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Gods throne is more real than you or I could image !
  • David - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Hi Brother Dan What you shared is a tremendous figure of speech called condescensio which is attributing to God human characteristics to explain his workings at our level the way he functions. Examples God bared His arm, the eyes of the lord Go to and fro in the earth, God walks with us and talks with us, and of course the one you gave. In Gods word these are used precisely to bring our attention to a specific point. Its a very interesting study in itself, also the bible has over 400 of them in it incredible.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking on, you are correct, there is one God and Father of ALL, ever thing is by INHERITANCE.
  • Bro dan - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    I believe that Gods/Jesus thrown "is Heaven". All of Heaven.

    Isaiah 66:1

    "Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

    The throne of God should not be thought of as a literal throne. God the Father is nonphysical. So not having a physical body, God does not " virtually sit." When we envision a divine throne it is akin to biblical allusions to God's "hand" or "mouth" or "eyes"-they are nonmaterial.

    Hope this helps to put "throne" in perspective.

    God Bless
  • Jesus at the right hand of God - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Exodus 15:6

    Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.

    Luke 22:69

    Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

    Mark 14:62

    And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Matthew 26:64

    Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Hebrews 1:3

    Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

    Acts 7:55

    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

    Psalms 118:16

    The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.

    Colossians 3:1

    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    You said it Jesus inherited from the father . Therefore it was not his until the father gave it to him . God the father is God and father of all , including Jesus . But Jesus is the only begotten Son of God of the father as you well know . All authorities have been given Jesus from the Father as well , he did not have that or it would not have been given him .

    If you have all the money in the world and controlled all banks . It would be unnecessary to give you what you already have . More money it would have been yours already .You Would inquire where did you get my money ?
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Yes Jesus has a throne and His father has a throne 1+1=2
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Dear seeking,

    Yes, there is only one God who sits on the throne. You are true in saying that. But could the one on the throne be Christ Himself? Did Christ not inherit the throne? Does scripture not tell us that Jesus Christ has inherited all things from the Father?



    Concerning Christ the Son, in Hebrews Chapter 1 Verse 8, it is God the Father who says "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."

    Jesus here is being called God. Interesting!!!
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking on,

    Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Seeking on - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Jesus plainly said there are 2 thrones his and the fathers .

    Hope that helps .
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Seeking, sitting at the right hand of the Father represents that Christ is the body that does all things the Father shows him to DO.

    There is only one throne:

    Revelation 3:21 He that overcometh will I (Christ) grant to sit with me (Christ) on my throne, even as I (Christ) overcame, an am set down with my Father own his throne.

    John 17:21 That they all may be ONE, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou has sent me.
  • English Sacha - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Thank you , very well put .
  • Seeking on Hebrews 12
    Hebrews 12.2

    Why did Jesus sit down at the right hand of God and not sit on Gods throne ?

    Stephen say Jesus at the right hand of God in Acts as well .

    The conclusion must be there is only one God sitting on His throne .

    Jesus is sitting by him at his right hand , not at all the same thing .

    Jesus certainly is the Son of God sent to be the Christ or messiah , by God sitting on the throne .
  • Jesse - in Reply on Hebrews 12:28
    Rina Maria Lei,

    You've said well, and I also agree with Mishael. If I might say something about the very next verse, it says "For our God is a consuming fire."

    The writer of Hebrews is speaking to Hebrew (Jewish) people and saying, "You want to go back under the Old Covenant? The only thing you have to look forward to is the consuming fire of God." That's it!



    The writer is telling them that through Christ, you'll have eternal life and be part of the heavenly city where God dwells. But for those people who don't want to identify with Christ, they will suffer the judgment of God.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Hebrews 12:28
    Good fear, means reverence and honor; with heart, soul and mind.
  • Rina Maria Lei on Hebrews 12:28
    We must, it's a must have the fear of God in Our everyday Life.Amen
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 12:1
    Hello Roger. Hebrews directly connects to the previous chapter, a chapter which is generally referred to as the 'Gallery of Faith Heroes'. In there, as you would know, is a lengthy description of some well known Old Testament saints, of their faith, their love for God in spite of the many troubles they faced. But all these "received a good report through faith" but did not receive the promise: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect." ( Hebrews 11:39,40). They might have known the promises of God & certainly knew of God's Presence & Power with them, yet those Promises did not find their fulfillment in their lifetimes. But they continued undeterred IN FAITH, knowing that God had something special that lay ahead for them.

    So then chapter 12 comes into focus (for us). Seeing then that we are surrounded by such a great (eminent) group of witnesses, how are we to behave. So departing from the personal exhortation the Hebrews writer gave in chapter 10:22-25 towards holy living, he now implores us by the witness of these saints of old. Here, it is difficult to discern whether the writer believed that we have all these sages looking down upon us & our behaviour, or more likely, that we have yet another imperative to godly living because of the lives that these men & women lived, in spite of the odds against them. They didn't even consider their lives of any worth in comparison to what God had for them in the afterlife.

    Hebrews 12:1,2 then reminds us that we not only have these great examples of faith, of perseverance & resilience before us, but even much more than all this, we have JESUS, Who not only is the Designer, the Forerunner & Completer of (our) Faith, but the One Who took the meaning of suffering to its fullest extent (much more than what those in chapter 11 had done), in that He willingly laid down His Life for us. "He Who knew no sin became sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him".
  • Roger Peebles Sr on Hebrews 12:1
    Hebrews 12:1 what is that verse pertaining to
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Strongs Concordance, not Strings. [blush]
  • SkipVought - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Paulette,

    Good for you! A worthy goal. And I'll just second Richards starting book, John.

    Regarding Greek words, get a Strings Concordance. It's as big as a dictionary. I have had this volume for decades for reference. More recently I've been using an the eSword app on my iPad, iPhone and desktop. It is FREE. As I recall, it comes loaded with the King James version and you can download Strongs for KJV. Strongs contains dictionary-like pronunciation guides and phonetic spelling of the Greek. Many other translations are available to download.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Hebrews 12
    Hello Paulette,

    In my opinion I would lead a student to read the book of John first. As this is my favorite of the four accounts of the Lords life and very unique to the other three. As all of the four books are unique, Matthew, Mark and Luke are close but have their own details. So it is good to read all. I would have them read John first then Matthew and then Mark & Luke.

    Of coarse this is my personal opinion. Maybe others would like to share what they feel with other details. All for the Glory of the Lord.

    God Bless and thank you for teaching children about the Lord.
  • Paulette Henderson on Hebrews 12
    I want to know how to pronounce the word in greek and other language beside english that I speak, also I want to teach middle school student about faith and fear and how to study the bible were do I start Matthew,Mark, Luck and John

    Thank you for your return answer.
  • Stephanie V on Hebrews 12:17
    God truly is so good!
  • Chris - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    All the four Gospels give some narrative about Jesus' baptism by John.

    Matthew chapter 3; Mark chapter 1; Luke chapter 3; and John chapter 1.
  • Debbie on Hebrews 12:17
    Wasn't Jesus baptized by John the Baptist? If so, would you please give me the Bible verse(s) that explain it?
  • Steven Spencer - in Reply on Hebrews 12:17
    Hi Zybejta, I'm unsure about the dreams, May i ask have you received Christ as your Lord and savior? I do Know he would want that, and Hebrews 10-25 says do not forsake the assembly. and When and if its safe he do want you to find a good bible teaching church and fellowship
  • Zybejta M Marashi on Hebrews 12:17
    I was born into a communist country and raised athiest. when I was 23 yrs Old I defected communism! March 21, 1991 immigrated to the USA. Dec 8 got baptized & married in church! That nigh I see God and Jesus in my dream. Since then I kept seeing dreams! I Jesus healing me, John the Baptist, Haven, rapture, one months before the tsunami happened I see it on my dream! During the election 2016 when I voted for Trump because GOD told me to vote for him, and although I voted for Hillary 1st time & 2nd Time Romney! I was democrat for the past 25 yrs! I feel thirsty for knowledge of god but I don't feel going to any church! I really like to know what all this mean?
  • A friend on Hebrews 12:17
    Give it to God stop seeking answers from anybody else people even with the best intentions can you scripture tell you the wrong answer even when they think it's right only God knows you situation your future plans Etc nobody even comes close to having an understanding like God there's only one unforgivable sin God loves and forgives all of his children Jesus frees you this death and Sacrifice by his blood because of is as Father's Love When You Believe in except this can you love God does it mean to take the easier they almost always get harder especially when you can't forgive yourself let go of your past trust in him let him have control deny own understanding and have faith pray to God about it and that's God take care of it his will be done it's only one unforgivable sin God might want you to start a new life being born again a new plan a new marriage and happiness cetera or he may want to restore what you had or the one you have everything is going to be okay and no matter what I may have decided and does for your life it will be good let go of everything set your eyes on God heaven give it all to him ask forgiveness and repent you can start anew if that's what he wants for you and can be free of all the things that he removes and let's die on the cross with the old you honor all of what you receive to the best of your ability don't expect things to be easy perfect are for you not to have to make a serious effort be grateful and thankful even though you've really been saved by grace and not by works love God with all your heart and soul love others do your best to follow the Commandments even though your free of the law


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