Genesis Chapter 8 Discussion

  • Anonymous - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Christians are the seed of abraham through faith.
  • GIGI - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Dear Country Jean,


    It is not accepted, in general, by those of the Reformed, Lutheran, or Anglican/Episcopalian denominations, as they are generally amillennialists.

    Dispensational Premillennialism has gone through some revisions over the past 193 years. I suggest that people take the time to study this movement from both the angle of those who support it and those who give reasons they reject it as unbiblical. I have done this very thing over the past several months. Many people grew up with this teaching, so they do not question it. I understand that. For myself I was first introduced to it in my 20's and leaned towards that because I did not have resources to really study it at that time. But after about 10 years, I realized that this does not seem to fit Scripture, so I instead fellowshipped in churches that did not teach it.

    And now, 20 years after that, I have taken the time to really investigate it. I wanted to know if this theory has any merit according to Scripture. So I have spent the past few months doing so. I read from both sides, pro and con with my Bible in hand. There are just too many aspects of this theory that I cannot support it. But each person should do their due diligence to test this theory with openness and prayerfulness. If I had this information 40 years ago, I would not have been taken in by the little I knew of it.

    Country Jean, I am glad you brought this up. We should always be seekers of the truth in God's Word and be wary of any "new" teachings, revelations, etc. that become the "new ideas" for our faith. Just because something is new does not, in itself, make it incorrect, but there is long-standing consistent teachings across the church age that should also be examined before one takes the teaching of another. The witness of those in the church past are just as valid as any teachings of any person today. Those from the past had the Bible, just like us, to check their thinking against the revealed Word.
  • CountryJean on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Because there is no difference between Jew or gentile why is so much teaching to use rapture to say otherwise? We are all one in Christ. Jesus said we are not of this world. This is not His kingdom. He is ruling seated now. His work is finished as ours will at His return. We seek the new not the end of this one. Much deception leads and blinds Gods truth to those seeking by this twisting of plain truth. And churches seek to tickle ears to gain collections of support over Gods truth. Where are the real believers today?
  • Harold B. Perry III on Genesis 8:22 - 1 year ago
    magnify Thy WORD above Thy name
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Hi Deborah,

    I, too, looked this up and read some on it. I agree with Chris, that it is not Noah's altar. God usually insisted on an altar being of natural unhewn materials. Gobekli Tepe ruins show that they are sculpted and hewn with ornate images carved on some stones.

    The information I read think that the structures of Gobekli Tepe are perhaps the oldest man designed to date (estimated 9000-8000 or so B.C.). This may be pre-flood architecture, most likely a pagan temple of some kind, whether it is pre or post flood.It was first discovered over 100 years ago. It has taken a long time to excavate each level, and there are most likely more levels beneath what is now excavated.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Hello Deborah. I had to do a little research on the Gobekli Tepe & from it I learned that there are a couple of reasons why it cannot be associated with the altar that Noah built ( Genesis 8:20). This Noahic altar would have been very primitive, using the material in the area to construct something large enough to sacrifice several clean beasts & fowls. Whereas the ruins of the Gobekli Tepe indicate it was once an elaborate temple, with its scattered building blocks covering an extended area. I doubt whether Noah would have wanted to construct an 'altar' so large so as to be used for worship as well. It seemed more likely that he wanted to speedily offer sacrifices of thanksgiving to the LORD Who brought him, his family & animals through the deluge.

    Secondly, when placing both Mt. Ararat & the Gobekli Tepe on a map, I find that Ararat is at the very eastern edge of present day Turkey, bordering Iran & Armenia. Whereas, the Gobekli Tepe was located & examined six miles from Urfa at the southern end of Turkey, near the Syrian border. Without using a scale, my guess is that the distance would be approx. 420 miles between the two. So this also might prove that Noah would not have travelled this distance or more, with the absence of roads, to build an altar.

    Do you have any compelling evidence to the contrary? Or maybe others have thoughts on this.
  • Deborah on Genesis 8 - 1 year ago
    Do you think that Gobeckly Tepi (sp?) may be Noah's altar in verse 20 of today's chapter-verse?
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Hello Joanne. Of Noah's sons, Japheth was the eldest ( Genesis 10:21) & Ham was the youngest ( Genesis 9:24). Therefore, Shem would have to be the middle son.

    We're not given the name of Noah's wife in the Bible. However, many pieces of non-biblical literature & traditions from various religions, each give her a different name. Maybe one of them is correct, or more likely, none at all.
  • Joanne Preiser on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    What was Noah s wifes name ? Which son was born first ?
  • Karen lewis-frazer on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    this was so good will the ark is a safe house.
  • Trusting God - In Reply on Genesis 8:22 - 2 years ago
    Christians doing good things for God will be persecuted. Once I lived in Tulsa Oklahoma a few years. Every day ORU (Oral Roberts University) was heckled and ridiculed on the Radio. Without mercy; from the UNBELIEVERS.

    One night I was street preaching with 5 others. They started Gossiping about Oral Roberts. We don't get a pass on persecuting The Brethern__like the unbelievers. I was NOT joining in this character assassination. I'm hanging back of the pack.

    ANYONE doing great things for God, is going to become a Target for Satan. Look at Orals first days in ministry. People were being healed! The lame walked, the blind see, etc. He had a DREAM to build a great University to teach Christians faith and regular school curriculum. To meet and pray every morning; to teach evangelism. He built a replica of Noah's Ark, so people could see what it may have been like. It's beautiful. He raised money for the University. So people hated on him.

    To continue with the story The Holy Spirit fell on me like an asteroid. He said. "Will you Now persecute and Mock a brother in Christ?!! Bite and Devour one of our own?"

    I almost fell down in the street. They stared at me like deer. Then they repented, to God. It changed my life forever. If we suffer persecution (Oral Roberts) it means we are doing something right. It's not for me to say one word against what he spent the money on. That is Gods Territory.

    I know not all of the students were practicing Christians. Their parents just sent them there to hopefully find Jesus, at some point in their education. Dreams.

    Look what happened with Moses. He was gone 40 days, the people got bored, United in sinful desires and built a golden calf to be their God. The adults in on that revolt all died. Never saw the Promised Land. Those are good stories to chew on and get all the revelation out of them. All God truly asks of us is to be obedient and Trust Him.
  • Vivian Smith on Genesis 8:22 - 2 years ago
    I think world harvest church is misunderstood
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Roni I believe the Lord shut the Ark to make sure Noah wouldn't take pity hearing the screaming of the unbelievers

    and open the ark because if that would have happened it would not have bode well with noah's family. Remember

    Noah was the only man righteous in Gods eyes and all others were wicked, some serious house cleaning so to speak.

    I stick with the kjv other text I'm leery of unless it lines up biblically. I believe what was given as the construction of

    the ark was all that was deemed necessary for explanation of event in Gods Word.
  • Roni - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Hi Rick, Gen7:16 says that the LORD shut him in!
  • Roni - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Thanks for your thoughts on Gen 8:14 regarding the "covering" there's nothing to say as to why there was a covering except to say that it appears to be badgers skin where the word is found in other texts!
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Hello Roni. Apart from what we read in Genesis chapters 6 to 8, we have little else to help us know exactly what this covering of the Ark was. We do know that in the construction of the Ark, God required a window be made ( Genesis 6:16) - maybe for light & ventilation. This window would have probably been at the highest point of the Ark (a cubit = < 2 ft), below the sloping roof line & may have extended the length & breadth of both sides of the Ark. It could be that a part of this window, or another aperture lower down, was covered (with some sort of skin or wood) that could be easily removed for Noah to view the outside world (or, sea levels). Just a few of my imaginations - others might have other thoughts.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Roni From what I have gathered there was a ramp leading up to an opening on the side, whats interesting is who closed the Ark God Gen.7:16
  • Roni on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Genesis 8:13, states that Noah removed the covering of the Ark. Would like to know what this covering was ???
  • Jcbu undercover - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    God bless Jocelynne Can you see the forest for the tree's?God is everywhere you look you see!Every breath you take! The oxygen he did make.Every small grain of sand.All built with the masters loving hands.Keep knocking keep asking keep receiving.Never ever stop beleiving.Soon you will find.God is with his people all the time.He sent his holy spirit down.Hang on to him for your very own heavenly crown.o o o o o o o o o See you all on another page.o o o ooo oo Never let your love turn to rage.o o o o oo oo Offer what ever gifts you can! o o o o o o oo That is the masters plan. o o o o o o
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Jocelynne Another point heaven or heavens [shamayim raised or heaved up things],Gen.1:8 God called

    the firmament or expanse heaven. Again anything above earth is part of the expanse known as heaven,

    verse examples Gen1:20, 14:19,19:24,22:11, 22:15, these are but a few examples of usage pertaining to

  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Jocelynne Last point sky which is atmosphere stops before space but still the expanse or heaven is anything

    above earth biblically.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Jocelynne It is interesting that heaven means raised up or heaved up things then you have Christ who

    now is seated in the heavenlies, and so are believers spiritually in Gods eyes. Na man will ever know where

    the expanse or heaven or heavenlies end.
  • Rick Mentzer - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Jocelynne Bell If we take a close look at Genesis it gives the answer. In gen. 1:6+7 the firmament is the word

    expanse and the word expanse in verse 8 God calls heaven so anything above the earth is called heaven. Notice

    verses 14-18 he set the stars and sun and moon in the firmament or expanse of heaven. Then there is heavens and

    heavenlies. Notice also the God put the firmament in the midst of the waters and separated the waters above the

    expanse from the waters below the expanse and let the dry land appear. Its interesting that astronomers have found

    beyond our solar system balls of water larger hat planets floating, also in Genesis 7:11 that the fountains of the great

    deep were opened up and the windows of heaven were opened and the rain was upon the earth forty day and nights.
  • Kent Bass - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    Jocelynne Bell, There is a Heaven above the heavens which is where the most high sits. There, there is no darkness at all. We in our so called universe can not see the heaven above the heaven physically. We have to remember that Yah is infinite, this means that he is beyond our comprehension. Even the angels, desire to know the very essence of Yah. We as mere humans, are adopted into the body of Jesus and thus part-take by faith in all the blessings from on high.
  • Jocelynne Bell on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    If people say the sky never stops then where is heaven then?
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    In a google search, it says that gold was the first mineral to be mined and refined. I can be found around the world and exists in an almost pure form.

    Genesis 4:19-20 says that Cain's descendant, Tubal-Cain (Lamech's son) worked in metallurgy using bronze and iron. So, it seems to have been known about very early in human History.
  • GEORGE H BROWN on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    How did they know about gold in genisis
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    I've had it explained to me that it was finished when Noah finished it, "that GOD couldn't move until Noah finished it" that "GOD's timing isn't man's timing. He waits sometimes for completion of events not like world thinks". That significance is amazing to consider. Genesis 6:22,

    Daniel 7:22, Galatians 4:22, Ecclesiastes 3:1-17, Daniel 7:25, Exodus 9:16-19, Hebrews 9:8-10, Psalms 105:17-19, Micah 5:2-4, seems to be significant even in future Luke 16:16,

    Hope that's helpful
  • Don Swaringen on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    how long did it take to build Noah's ark?
  • GiGi on Genesis 8 - 2 years ago
    I always smile when I see the rainbow!

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