Genesis Chapter 6 Discussion



 
  • C Hickerson on Genesis 6
    How did eve handle the death of her sun abel
  • Marke - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Reply to Ronald Whittemore.

    I see no reason to avoid Biblical subjects that are not specifically dealing with the issue of salvation. I also see no reason to assume the offspring of the daughters of men in Gen 6 were only half human and did not inherit sin from Adam.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hey Marke,

    That's fine, the angels being the sons of God and mating with women is a subject that has no bearing on our salvation. May the Holy Spirit lead us and guide us in the discussions that we do in humility and love toward each other so that we all may grow.

    Your other point on sin being passed down from the man is a different discussion that if you post it others may have some helpful replies. I know Adam was not deceived 1 Timothy 2:14 and in Adam, all die 1 Corinthians 15:22.

    Eve also ate of the tree, she was not born of man, was she not under the same curse? Was it a curse on mankind as a whole without having it passed down to them from dad or mom? Is the sin nature a sin? Jesus had to have the ability to sin to fulfill the covenant, Hebrews 4:15. Just a couple of questions may others give you answers.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Marke - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Reply to Ronald Whittemore.

    I don't believe angels can have sex with humans and produce offspring, but if they did their offspring would not have been human sinners who inherited their sin from Adam.
  • Ronald Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hey Mark,

    The times of Noah were horrendous as in Genesis 6:11. As you said sons of God are used 5 times in OT Genesis 6 Job 1 Job 2 and Job 38 all referring to angels. It is used 6 times in the NT John 1 Romans 8 Philippians 2 and 1 John 3, my understanding is referring to those who have accepted and have faith in Jesus.

    There are many opinions on fallen angels, devils/demons. There are evil beings on this earth today, we see in Daniel battles that may be going on that we are not aware of, Daniel 10. There is a set of angels that were different and for what they did, God locked them in chains of darkness until the judgment 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6, and others can still roam the earth.

    In verses 6:4 daughters of men having children, they became mighty men of old. The Hebrew word for old is m-'-w-lm, meaning defined as long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, or world. It was translated everlasting 110 times, forever 136 times.

    Giants we see before and after the flood as said in Genesis 6:4 "and also after that". The word giant is Nephilim and also the Rephaim (or Rephaites, the terrible ones), You can find them throughout the OT and their descriptions are not just a tall big man, Numbers 13:33 Amos 2:9 and more.

    When God created everything the seed is after his kind, a dog will have a dog, a bear will have a bear, and so on, a man and woman may have a tall big man but it will not be a giant. Angels can on earth have a body that can eat, and drink, Genesis 18, fiscally wrestle Genesis 32 and we are told how we should entertain strangers because they may be an angel, Hebrews 13.

    Just a few things you may look at. If an angel left his first estate and came down to earth could he mate? Was that why God locked them in darkness and other bad angels and Satan can still roam the earth? After the flood, there were only 8 where did these giants come from?

    Interesting subject,

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Doug - in Reply on Genesis 6
    I agree that the sons of God are those that were following God were enticed by the looks of carnal women.
  • Kay - in Reply on Genesis 6
    This is an interesting thread, and a topic much discussed in Christendom today!

    I agree with you, Marke. I don't believe the 'sons of God' are angels. Not one of the old time preachers/commentators I've read believed so either.

    I believe the godly line of Seth began to degenerate and instead of taking godly women to themselves for the sake of maintaining a holy race, they looked upon the fair daughters of men and began to mix, believers and unbelievers....much like today's ecumenism.

    Once there was no holy race left that was totally devoted to the One true God...destruction ensued!

    The sad thing about history is that we don't learn from history, Marke! What has been is again...and the crazy thing is, people do the same things as those 'back then' did who apostasized, and are deluded into thinking they will come out of it all without ending up with the same tragic results as they did in the past! Lord, help us!

    Blessings!
  • Marke on Genesis 6
    Genesis 6

    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. ...

    Some people assume the sons of God in this passage refer to angels. I don't. The term "sons of God" is clearly used in the Bible to refer to angels as well as to human believers. I do not believe the passage in Gen 6 refers to godly angels having sex with human women resulting in wicked angel/human offspring. I believe a better interpretation would be that believing men had sex with unbelieving women and their offspring ended up becoming unbelievers of renown.

    If not, I find it problematic to say the offspring of angels were born with the sin of Adam, knowing that sin is not passed through the mother but through the father, to the offspring, else Jesus would have inherited Adam's sin from his mother.

    Hosea 1:10

    Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

    John 1:12

    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
  • Philip - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Isaiah 45:9

    "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hello Donald.

    As Rev 4:10-11 states, God created all thins for His pleasure. Elsewhere in Scripture it says that God created everything for His Glory (can't find the verse right now). In another place it says that God created the earth to be inhabited.

    So here we have in Scripture these purpose for creation. He did not need to create because He is complete withing Himself in need of nothing outside of Himself. But He did choose to create everything other than Himself because it pleases Him to see His glory displayed in all of creation and in His plan for the beings He created. God was benevolent in creating the universe and all living things, not out of pride or conceit. He desired to share Himself with beings He created, not because He needed these relationships, but because He wanted to have others outside of the Godhead benefit from His love and goodness. And in doing so, He glorifies Himself in creation as He exercises His attributes to their fullest.

    I often think about what it means that He created for His glory. This is not well-defined in Scripture. I guess if He wanted us to know in full His reason for creating all things, He would have elaborated more in Scripture. Maybe we will understand this more in eternity. We are limited creatures. He is infinite Creator. So we cannot expect to comprehend all of Who He is and His purposes. But knowing that He and His purposes are absolutely good helps us to trust His actions.

    Hope this helps.
  • RichFairhurst - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Rev 4:10-11 states:

    10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    This is confirmed by God saying at the end of the first 5 days that God saw that it was good. At the end of the 6th day when He created the beasts and especially man in His likeness He said it was very good. The 7th day He rested from all that He created and blessed it. He was satisfied and pleased with creation and put his blessing over all of it.

    The fall has brought the curse and dissatisfaction and wrath as the serpent intended, not God. If Satan can no longer have the pleasure of God and the blessings God spoke over His creation, he has made it his sole purpose with everything in his power to make sure no one else can have it.

    God put enmity between two seeds in the curse of the serpent, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. This was prophetically spoken to make a separation between them in God's new creation, like when he spoke light into existence and separated light and darkness on the first day of the old creation. Cain couldn't stand Able being blessed for offering a blood sacrifice when he wasn't for his earthly offerings. Cain killed Able, which demonstrated Cain was born of the seed of the serpent with his focus on earthly things and hatred of anyone being blessed when he wasn't. Able was of the seed of the woman by faith offerng a sacrifice in the likeness of the one who's resurrection is the beginning of the new creation, Jesus Christ.

    We can overcome the fall, curse, dissatisfaction and wrath God intends for the devil and return to the rest where God is satisfied and pleased with us. But the only way to do that now is to become His new creations in Christ and let the old creation pass away
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Because God is Love. He wanted us on earth to be loved and give love back to God (because we want to). Also, to give love and be loved by our fellowman.

    God gave us freewill so it could be our desire to worship and love God. Facts are, Satan was in the garden too, and planted seeds of doubt in the first couple.

    Our lives become a lot simpler when we live our lives within the love of God and leadership through Jesus.

    Someday we can live in that place that is not corrupted by Satan's jealousy and his purpose of hurting the objects of Gods love.
  • Free - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Dear friend Genesis 1:1

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

    2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

    10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

    12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    personally I think He would be in a light, or see the light.
  • Donald Layton Poplin on Genesis 6
    why did GOD make heaven and earth
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Florence,

    Prior to the flood, people live nearly 900 years. After the flood, only Noah (and maybe his wife) lived that long. His children (and daughter in-laws) lived around 600, After these people who were born prior to the flood, the average lifespan of people began to fall with each generation. By Abraham's time (10 generations or so later) the lifespan had fallen to about 150 years or so.

    I believe that God had his reasons for the long life spans and for shortening them after the flood. But we do not know the environmental or genetic factors that led to these long life spans prior to the flood.
  • Florence on Genesis 6
    I have always wanted to know,did these people in the Bible live several hundreds of years of age?
  • Richard H Priday - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Noah was saved from God's wrath along with his immediate family. This therefore is as prototype of the rapture; with all righteous removed before judgment. There were the physical descendants who were not tainted; as Noah was said to be "perfect" in his ways. Clearly we are all of Adam's sin nature; so this would have to refer the the fallen angels and their offspring (Nephilim) who corrupted the seed of ALL men outside the ark. Christ came ONLY for the sons of men; not angels or corrupted offspring. Thus; Satan's plan to thwart Christ's lineage and therefore stop the plan of redemption from coming to fruition was demonstrated here. We of course; according to Romans are saved from the "wrath to come". We are to take refuge as His sheep in Him; who guides us as Psalm 23 states to pastures where we can safely graze as J.S. Bach stated. We also shall stand in the "presence of His enemies". Those outside the ark are similar to those in Isaiah 66 who are seen and abhorred by God's people. Being saved from ourselves surely is the greatest gift as well. It should also be kept in mind that obeying the Lord in the means of being saved and His instructions is imperetive as compared with attempting to justify ourselves by doing our own thing to earn God's favor.

    There was a calling out as well with a similar small group with Lot and his immediate family. We do well to note Lot's wife and all her privleges meaning nothing as her heart was still in this world as she "looked back" and was destroyed. The final state of the world at the end of the Millennium is similar as the world as the "sands of the sea" in their size will for the final time be led astray by Satan. Again; all the utopian visions or means of escape are useless delusions apart from God's saving grace as our only solution. We need to remember Peter as well; who was saved after exclaiming "Lord save me" when walking on water. Christ is our only solace in this dying world to be judged by fire.
  • Charles Robert Northup - in Reply on Genesis 6
    They both were trying to save the world, and just like Noah Jesus couldn't get everyone on board either
  • THE FIRST ARK AND THE SECOND ARK - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Jesus is the New Testament Ark.

    Noah worked daily on the Ark and preached to the inhabitants of the town near him; they asked him why he was building this gigantic boat in a landlocked area, that had never been rained on yet?? It misted, but didn't rain.

    Only 8 people were on the Ark, when it began to rain. Everybody outside the Ark died in their sins and unbelief.

    Jesus is the 2nd Ark. We must be as in John chapter 3: born again. Final judgment is coming to this earth again. 2 PETER 3:10

    The world says we are experiencing Global Warming, but that's not true. The Earth is preparing for the SECOND COMING of Jesus Christ to get the people who have received Him as their LORD AND SAVIOR. He's going to take His believers to Heaven (in the blink of an eye). Millions will suddenly disappear: children too.

    This has been FORETOLD of in the Bible for thousands of years! If we miss out on it, you will be OUTSIDE OF THE ARK, AND UNABLE TO GET INSIDE.

    First Ark with water; Second Ark with Fire. But before the earth is cleansed by fire:

    Mankind is going to destroy with their nukes, and weapons of war. The Antichrist will kill 1/3 of the population of earth. The "stars will fall" (asteroids), the water will be poisoned with radiation. People who take THE MARK of the Beast in their hand or forehead (to get food) cannot possibly get into heaven. They will die eternally.

    God is going to cleanse the earth of all of mankind's scars, pollution and damage to it. He's bringing Eden back to earth.

    Anything that man did to earth will be removed. Only people will live on it; who CHOSE to go with Jesus. Satan will be locked up in hell. No evil will be in New Jerusalem; or in the New Earth. Ever again.

    Life is millions of choices. Choosing Jesus is the most important one. Don't chance being left behind. Matthew 24, Luke 21, 2 Timothy 3:13-17

    Matthew 25:11-12

    Please please listen to this preacher? Choose to go with Jesus. Pray the prayer now.
  • Amanda - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Noah and the Ark were a type of Christ to come a type of Sovereign Salvation... God provides the way and means of Salvation, He brings it to pass and completes it and Noah by faith believed God and was saved.... all who were not inside of the Ark perished. Just as Salvation is still by faith we look to the Lord Jesus Christ for Salvation all who deny/reject that gift will perish in eternity in hell separate from God... i hope this helps God Bless....
  • Isabirye Julius Nkwanga on Genesis 6
    How does Noah's ark relate with Jesus' Salvation?
  • CARMEN - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Why did the book of Enoch get removed from the Bible?

    The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (16:4) and by many of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus and Tertullian, who wrote c. 200 that the Book of Enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ.
  • SPENCER SHAW - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Gen 5:24 KJV - And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

    He went to heaven

    we know this because

    Gen 5:22 KJV - And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

    Bible says he walked with God so he was saved
  • Adam - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hi Tracy, the book Enoch isn't in the KJV Bible, nor any other Christian Bibles that I'm aware of, because it wasn't considered canon. But the man Enoch is mentioned in the KJV Bible: Link
  • Tracy Louise Letch on Genesis 6
    Where is Enoch?
  • Nicholas - in Reply on Genesis 6
    The standard Christian approach to immunization is "cooperating with nature" as designed by God whereas these new mRNA and DNA vaccines are a "control over nature" approach that is playing God with creation, specifically the image of God. Our unique genetic code is an essential bridge between our soul and my body; thus, knowingly having our body receive code within our cells foreign to our own DNA and RNA to create partial foreign objects (s-protein) to then generate immunity is playing God with His creation in an essential way that is not a Christian "conformity to nature" approach. All three currently accepted vaccines deliver genetic material to an individual's cells: mRNA vaccines deliver mRNA code, and Johnson & Johnson directly delivers DNA. Even more problematic for my deeply held religious beliefs is the fact that these new vaccine types are not long-lasting, because of this "genetic fabrication" approach, requiring constant "boosters" further injecting this code into my cells over and over, thus, repeating this personally sinful and objectionable process outside of God's design and impacting God's image.
  • GGi, - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Earl, thanks for sharing your opinion. It helps me to understand you better, Thanks
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Sister GiGi, I have nothing against brick and mortar churches, God has them there to preach His Word. I am not saying that they don't preach the gospel of salvation, they do, what they don't do is bring the saved to the maturity of the Word. I have family members and friends that have gone to church 50 years and are no more mature in the word than when they first believed. I have numerous close relatives and friends that are pastors, but have no knowledge of God's word other than I'm saved and going to heaven. The gospel is, there is going to be a kingdom on earth. God is calling and choosing those that will rule and reign with them. How many churches teach this. There is going to be billions of people raise from the dead that have never heard one word about Christ. God is preparing a priesthood to bring the gospel to those billions, to judge and govern those people, God's kingdom. The only time you reside in heaven is the period of time God is gathering his elect (thousand years, not literally one thousand), when the elect have been gathered everything else will happen on earth. How can one be a priest in God's kingdom if you don't believe what he says. ( Philippians 1:29)( 1 Peter 1:21)
  • GiGi again - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Earl, Bless your heart. It seems that you may have an angst against "brick and mortar" churches. That is sad to me, as soo many people have been helped to come to know the gospel and turned to Jesus through people who attend such places. God is using these places to build His church family just like He is similarly using those who are not affiliated with a particular church congregation. I have had seasons in my life where I was part of a particular church fellowship and seasons when I have not been so. In either situation, God meets me were I am and grows me to be more and more like our Lord, Jesus.

    I think that it is important to stay humble enough to know that in both situations, we are not the final arbiter of what is sound doctrine/beliefs. It is the Holy Spirit who is this arbiter, and He has been working within the Church since Jesus first began the Church when our Lord called the disciples and began preaching to the people. The Holy Spirit as given to the Church to confirm the Truth that Jesus taught, to help the disciples to remember what Jesus taught them ( a lot of which was not written down in the gospels) and teach the disciples all that was necessary for the work of the Church to evangelize and exist as Body of Christ on earth after Jesus ascended to the Father (as Jesus stated He was going back to the Father (two different Persons) and sending the Holy Spirit (the 3rd Person).
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Sister GiGi, they are complete opposites of the doctrines of man. Does the doctrines of the brick and mortar church teach the saints are going to judge the world. No, they teach when you die you either go to heaven or to hell. You, yourself in a new location. You are not going to be yourself, but a new creation in Christ Jesus. Man does not want to lose his own identity ( Matthew 16:25) and become the IMAGE of CHRIST. No greater love has a man than to die for his brother, Christ died for you, you have to die for Christ. This the first death ( Revelation 14:13).

    John 17:21-24


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