Genesis Chapter 6 Discussion Page 2



 
  • GiGi on Genesis 6
    Back again.

    Either way, these giant offspring were exceedingly wicked and powerful. It is likely they contributed greatly to the acceleration of wickedness on the then earth by the time of Noah. Perhaps this is when mankind began worshipping renowned men or predecessors, making images of them and temples for the idols to "abide".

    I don't have any information on the time frame where this intermixing first occurred. Anyone out there with thoughts or info? How long did God hold back from deciding upon judgment? I believe after God told Noah to build the ark and announced the flood, He also said that the years of mankind would be 120 years. I think that speaks to the number of years between Calling Noah and the day the flood began, 120 years (not lifespan).

    Some have commented why God destroyed the animals. The text says that ALL flesh had corrupted the ways God had intended for them. So, it seems the natural order of all breathing creatures was corrupted. It doesn't say how, though. God said that the world was filled with violence. It seems that anarchy was prevailing throughout the world. Perhaps governing systems had collapsed, and anarchy filled the void. It took mankind about 1600+ years to get to this point. Not really very long. God was grieved.

    So glad God spared Noah and pairs of animals to replenish the earth. He was going to give the earth a new start instead of total destruction. He could have translated Noah and have been done with it. But the Lord had a plan that was too be accomplished no matter what mankind did. In the big scheme of things, the flood was a blessing to the world. The set number of humans had not all been born yet. The world was not filled to the capacity God had pre-determined. And, more importantly, the Redeemer had not come and rule and reign yet. There is an end to this world age. God knows when that will be. We can be assured that His plans will be accomplished because he is all-knowing and all-powerful.

    Noah obeyed God.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 6
    I fully agree with the 120 years between the command to Noah & the onset of the rain.

    And I also believe that as sin corrupted mankind & his generations, so to were the animals subjected to corruption, yet not to sinful behaviour; not only leading to their death but also for their fierceness in many cases. Fortunately, animals still kill because of feeling threatened or for hunger - unlike some of us who kill them, calling it 'sport'. Indeed, one could even presume that the earthquakes, tsunamis, tidal waves, famines, & the like are all Earth's & its troposphere's responses to the general decay & corruption of civilization. And of course, these are painful, yet vivid reminders to all that there remains a greater judgement from the Creator of all flesh that is yet to come. But we press on unflinchingly & unperturbed, a lot like those in Noah's day. Yet, as did Noah, so must we continue to sound the warning coupling it with the Gospel of Grace.
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Yup!

    Agreed, animals cannot sin, but can be defiled and perhaps interbred with deleterious results.

    Revisiting this portion of Scripture is indeed helpful for us to realize how devastating unbridled sin is on our world.

    And it serves as graphic reminder of God's viewpoint on it and how thoroughly he judged the world. we are to remember that there is a judgment to come as well as a tribulation. Jesus said that this time will be far more severe than ever before in history, so, as you said, make use of the time we have to speak the gospel to others, pray for them, warn them, help them as best we can, that some may be saved!
  • Carleton - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Hi all, Jumping in late after travelling today. My meditation: There are lots of extra teeth and extra digits these days. Man built up before the flood and man built up again the tower of Babel and man is building up to giant status one last time. Sometime soon will be man's last day and mark. And yet there is a way of escape (Grace :)).
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Yes, the DNA still exists in our corporate gene pool. We just don't know how it got there after the flood if Noah and his sons were unmixed. Don't know if all wives were unmixed though.

    We are building up today. Look at all of the sky scrapers (the word describes the tower of Babel) all over the world. But even more, we are going into space. I don't think God ever wanted us to do that. He said earth was made to be inhabited by man, but never space.
  • GiGi on Genesis 6
    To continue...I am not convinced that God really wants to look that far back in time to "discover" what really happened. He destroyed the pre-flood world for a perfect reason. If he really wanted us to know, He would have left some archeological written historical account or artifacts for us to examine and use to help us find out. I am not aware of any such reliable artifacts. If anyone knows of some, please let me know so I can research. In any case, the beings that were produced from these unions were killed in the flood, along with all of Cain's descendants, as far as we know. Some say that one or more of the wives of Noah's son may have had some Cainite blood to pass on after the flood, which explains the giants after the flood, if the passage refers to the non-angel scenario.

    To consider the angelic/human sexual unions scenario, then these offspring would have been very different than rest of humanity. And so the description of them as giants and /or mighty men of renown. This theory usually states that the fallen angels were bound up in the abyss for future judgment. Hard to know if they were able to mate with humans, since they are bound and so haven't been involved in human history since the time of the flood or before. Therefore we do not know what they could or could not do in their fallen state. Certainly ALL fallen angels were not bound or else where would Satan get his sinful spiritual accomplices. I do feel that this theory is as plausible as the Sethite/Cainite theory. The text is just not explicit enough for me to really make a determination.

    I do believe that the beings produced from the unions mentioned in the text were giants. It says that, and the giants mentioned after the flood in Scripture were described as one would normally consider giants with the physical anomalies of extreme height, extra digits on hands and feet, extreme strength, and extra rows of teeth. Hard to say which is true.
  • GiGiMn on Genesis 6
    This chapter has so many ideas in it. Hard to know where to start. Having read most comments I will try to keep to the text as much as possible without going down too many "rabbit holes" knowing that many can be "snake holes" instead.

    This chapter describes the deep and widespread wickedness of mankind in the times before the flood. God says that every intent of man's heart was wicked. Taking this saying literally, it would state that every person but Noah and Enoch in that time were wholly corrupted. I don't know if that was true of Lamech, Methuselah, Jared, Mahalalel, Cainan, Enosh, Seth or Adam between the time of Adam-Noah's 500th year. These persons are spoken of as preachers of righteousness or patriarchs. It say that Noah alone was a just man and perfect in his day. So what does it say about these other patriarchs who were alive during Noah's lifetime or say, 500 years before he was born? So what transpired to bring this state about in mankind?

    Many say that Noah was a godly man and that he descended from these patriarchs who did not intermarry with Cain's progeny. I lean towards this view, but can't be definitive about it from the text.

    In the comment section there is much discussion concerning the identification of the sons of god and daughters of men.

    I was taught as a child that the sons of god where fallen angels and the daughters of men were just that. But I have also heard teaching that says they were the sons of the godly line of Seth and the daughters of men were the daughters of Cain's line. I really don't know as there seems to be some biblical support for both theories. Extra biblical sources elaborate on this subject, some being from a very long time ago in the early church or Book of Enoch, Book of Jasher, and Book of Jubilees. I have read many sections in these extra-biblical books. Like a lot of Judaic rabbinical writings, I take a cautious view of such literature because of the multitude of errors taught in such writings. See more.....
  • Alice Watkins on Genesis 6
    Where to read about Gideon in chapter 6
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 6
    You're right there Alice. Judges chapters 6 through to 8 speak of Gideon & his exploits. When you see the name 'Jerubbaal', this also refers to Gideon, a name given to him because he tore down the altars of baal.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Genesis 6:2
    Of Gen. 6:2; "they (angels) took them (daughters) wives of all which they chose" =

    Scriptures reveal angels may take on human form:

    + In Genesis 18:1-8, The LORD and two holy angels visited Abraham and Sarah in the form of "three men" in human bodies. During that visit, these angels conversed and ate with Abraham in the same manner as would human men.

    + Two of these angels in human form proceeded to visit Lot in Sodom ( Gen. 19). While there, the Sodomites mistook these angels as actual human men and attempted to physically sodomize them ( Gen. 19:5).

    + At least two angels appeared as "young men" ( Mk. 16:5) after LORD JESUS' Resurrection wearing "shining garments" (Lu. 24:4).

    + While the disciples strained to see the final glimpses of The LORD's Ascension into Heaven, "two men {? angels?} stood by them in white apparel", and promised CHRIST's Second Coming "in like manner as ye have seen HIM go into Heaven" (Ac. 1:10-11).

    Because angels are immortal and not subject to death, they have no need to procreate lawfully through marriage as do humans (cp Mt. 22:30; Mk. 12:25).

    Yet, these angels assumed human form and married, co-habitated, and bore children through human "daughters of men" (v.2).
  • EPHESIANS 6 COMMENTARIES from This Website - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Wesley's Notes for Ephesians 6:12

    For our wrestling is not only, not chiefly, against flesh and blood - Weak men, or fleshly appetites. But against principalities, against powers - The mighty princes of all the infernal legions. And great is their power, and that likewise of those legions whom they command. Against the rulers of the world - Perhaps these principalities and powers remain mostly in the citadel of their kingdom of darkness. But there are other evil spirits who range abroad, to whom the provinces of the world are committed. Of the darkness - This is chiefly spiritual darkness. Of this age - Which prevails during the present state of things. Against wicked spirits - Who continually oppose faith, love, holiness, either by force or fraud; and labour to infuse unbelief, pride, idolatry malice, envy, anger, hatred. In heavenly places - Which were ONCE their abode, and which they still aspire to, as far as they are permitted.

    People's Bible Notes for Eph. 6:12

    For we wrestle. Fights then were a hand to hand grapple. Not against flesh and blood. While flesh and blood may seem to assail us, the real enemies are evil spiritual powers. Against principalities, against powers. These terms designate different rank of evil spirits. These were fallen angels (see Ro 8:38). The same terms are applied to the different ranks of holy angels in Eph 1:21. Against the rulers of the darkness of this world. Satan is described as the ruler of this world (Joh 12:31 14:30 16:11) and the god of this world ( 2Co 4:4). He uses for his dominion not only evil spirits, but wicked men, and his sway is darkness rather than light. Against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. "Spiritual [hosts] of wickedness" (Revised Version). It is likely that the meaning is the same as in Eph 2:2 The high places, the air, is a dwelling place and medium of these evil influences.

    THEY HAVE TO BORROW A BODY, by a humans permission; at risk of losing their soul.
  • Glenn - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Nobody can lose there soul , unless God takes them , Ezekiel 18 / 4. God owns ALL souls ,.. even the evil ones,..
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Isaiah 14:12-15 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Ezekiel 28:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:15 - Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Ezekiel 28:16 - By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

    Luke 10:18 - And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

    Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of DEATH, that is, the devil;

    LEGALLY, because Jesus (2nd Adam) WON back the Authority FROM SATAN that First Adam lost in the Garden of Eden.

    Jesus, by the Holy Spirit, was conceived becoming the SON OF MAN. All God, all HUMAN.

    Satan and Demons are NOT HUMAN. They borrow bodies: dogs, frogs and witches who lend their bodies.

    CAREFULLY READ EPHESIANS 6
  • Glenn - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Hence, the geber ,.. ( giants ) the fallen angels, created a total mess ,. Trying to mess up Gods plan ,.. mixing a spiritual body with a flesh body,. I cannot even imagine the pain those women went threw giving birth ,..

    peace
  • Philip Christian Parks on Genesis 6:2
    Of Gen. 6:2 =

    Besides here, the Old Testament uses the expression "the sons of GOD" to identify supernatural angelic beings:

    1st, Job 1:6-7 describes "sons of GOD" presenting "themselves before The LORD." Note that "Satan (the supreme demonic angelic principality) came also among them."

    2nd, Job 38:7 records JEHOVAH asking Job

    "[4] Where wast thou [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of GOD shouted for joy?"

    Here, both expressions, "morning stars" and "sons of GOD" identify supernatural angels reacting to GOD's wondrous Creative Power.

    The Old Testament does not use this expression to refer to believing saints except for the possible exception of Hosea 1:10: "In the place where it was said unto them (Israel), Ye are not MY people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of The Living GOD." The LORD, through HIS prophet Hosea, prophetically promised Israel a restoration far into the future.

    Moreover, the designation "men" translates from the Hebrew noun "adam" (Eng. transliteration; pronounced "aw-DAWM"). Scriptures record the term "adam" (aprox. 529 times) to refer to all mankind (generically), both male and female, as the highest created species of living creatures (e.g. Gen. 1:26): "GOD said, Let US make man (Heb. "adam") in OUR IMAGE, after OUR Likeness."

    Therefore, these "daughters of men" are the human female offspring of human fathers and mothers. Certain demonic angels saw these "daughters" as physically attractive ("fair"). Their "fairness" spawned unholy desires within these wanton angels who looked upon them, and desired them as objects solely for fulfilling their lusts.
  • Philip Christian Parks on Genesis 6:2
    The theory that the "sons of GOD" are the GODly sons of Seth's lineage while the "daughters of men" are the GOD rejecting daughters of Cain's descendants proves baseless and erroneous.

    Consider the following points of argument:

    > Seth's male descendants were not all inherently righteous by default, simply because Seth was their forefather.

    > From the silence of Scriptures, Bible students cannot assume all of Cain's descendants were evil and rebellious.

    > A marriage between the descendant males of Seth and the female descendants of Cain would not automatically guarantee an offspring of giants. If this were true, all "unequally yoked" ( 2Cor. 6:14) parents, if one is an unbeliever while the other is a believer, would produce grotesque hybrid giants.

    > If Seth's male offspring were inherently righteous enough to deserve the title "sons of GOD", then this demands answers to many questions:

    ? Why is Noah solely and singularly described as "a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with GOD" ( Gen. 6:9; cp. 7:1)?

    ? Why weren't any others of Seth in the Ark besides Noah, a descendant of Seth? Must we assume Noah was Seth's only and final righteous offspring?

    ? Did their marrying an unbeliever forfeit GOD's Mercy and abandon them to die with the rest of the wicked as The LORD de-creed ( Gen. 6:7)? The LORD would not do so according to HIS Promises to Abraham concerning Lot's safety in Sodom. Six times The LORD promised Abraham, "I will spare all the place for their (the righteous) sakes" (see Gen. 18:26-32).

    This theory implies that if Seth's male descendants were truly "sons of GOD", then they all, without exception, had to sin so grievously as to lose this title. So much for the Doctrine of Eternal Security.

    > Bible students commit hermeneutical malpractice to assume the "daughters of men (Heb. "adam")" was restricted to the female descendants of Cain. Such interpretation comes from prejudice and bias which The LORD prohibits (cp. Lev. 19:15).
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Jesus's Geneology came through Seth's lineage.

    God protected the lineage of Jesus all the way to Bethlehem.

    By saying what you have alleged, you show yourself to be a heretic.

    I rebuke you in the Name of Jesus, by Dominion and by the authority of Jesus Christ.

    Amen.
  • Truth prevails - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    First you must know Jesus the son of God or consider your vain prayers an insult to God .
  • Glenn - in Reply on Genesis 6:2
    Noah , an his family were the only ones to not mingle with the fallen angels
  • Neville Stewart on Genesis 6
    What is meant by "the sons of God saw the daughters of men"?
  • Ronald L Whittemore - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Neville Stewart

    There are two primary views on the identity of the sons of God and daughters of men. They were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. The major support for this interpretation is Genesis chapter 4 describes the ungodly generations of Cain, and 5 is the godly Seth line and the righteous line of Seth.

    Cain and Seth are both descendants of Adam and Eve so if the descendants of Cain's daughters were fair, so the daughters of Seth would also be fair so, godly vs ungodly would have to be the difference. Nowhere in scripture are the descendants of Seth called "the sons of God", but more as an adoption, "shall be my son" as Solomon and us today, who receive Jesus and are led by the Spirit of God are the sons/ daughters of God. ( 1 Chronicles 17:13) ( 2 Corinthians 6:18)

    The other view is angels who left their first estate and mated with women. Angels are called sons of God in Job, ( Job 1:6) ( Job 2:1) ( Job 38:7). Some say angels can not mate because of what Jesus said in ( Matthew 22:29-30). But all through scripture angels take on human form, they eat and drink and if they left their first estate it is possible. Scripture does not give a lot about this; we have 1656 years from Adam to the flood in only 7 chapters of Genesis.

    Scripture tells us there are devils, demons, and fallen angels but these angels are different they are locked in chains of darkness in the bottomless pit until judgment. ( 2 Peter 2:4) ( Jude 1: 6). The bottomless pit comes up in Revelation, another study.

    Also mentioned are giants/ Nephilim/ Rephaim "in those days; and also after that", before and after the flood. Whether these were offspring of angels' scripture does not tell us. The description in scripture is clear these are not just tall people. ( 2 Samuel 21:16) ( Joshua 12:4) ( Numbers 13:33) ( Deuteronomy 20:17) ( Deuteronomy 2:19-21) ( Amos 2:9).

    This is just a small amount of information, maybe it will get you started in your study.

    RLW
  • Neville Stewart - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Thanks for the views on this issue.
  • Sally on Genesis 6:4
    Genesis 6:4

    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

    mystery to me.

    my theory is they were human and they had never sinned and they didn't live in the garden and they were created when adam was created. But eve was the only one created from adam's rib. we all come from adam and Eve.
  • Alec Ford on Genesis 6
    So Genesis 6:3 , does it mean that there are 120 years until God destroys the earth, or that God has a mercy line and someone who knows the truth can only sin and neglect so great salvation for a set period that God only knows and that a person could find himself unable to repent even if wanting to, does this verse actually mean that there is a limit to which God will allow a person to refuse his calling.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Alec, I believe that Genesis 6:3 applies to the time limit God had set before the Earth would be destroyed by the Great Flood. This is not to say that it took Noah 120 years to have the Ark built as we would have to take into account the birth of his sons, their marriages & the gathering of the animals & their food to be loaded into the Ark. Some who have patiently counted out the passage of time, have concluded that it took Noah approximately 55 to 75 years to build the Ark & the remaining time taken to those other matters I've given above.

    However, God has not indicated to us in the Bible the number of our remaining days before He will consume this old Earth, not by flood, but by fire ( 2 Peter 3:7,10). Unlike those in Noah's day who had 120 years to repent but chose to scoff at God's Word, God through His Living Word, Jesus Christ, has given mankind many, many more years to repent before the Age of Grace ends with the burning up of all things stained with corruption. Let us rejoice that the Lord has enlivened our hearts to receive that life saving Word granting us entrance to eternal life.
  • Monica on Genesis 6
    wat was on jesus mind as the time crucifixion approached?
  • Ron - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Monica, I don't believe we can imagine the true feelings of Jesus and what He was fixing to face, but the verses that stand out to me that shows the most human feelings of Jesus and what was on His mind, when Jesus was in the garden. He went to pray to the Father right before He was arrested. Jesus knew what He would soon endure, being arrested, spit on, beaten, nailed to a cross and to bear all the sins of this world. He even asked the Father if that cup could be removed.

    Luke 22:41-46 (KJV) And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, 46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

    God bless, Ron
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 6
    Those who he was laying his life down for. He was looking from past history, way into the future when you would be born and need a savior; on such and such day. That's why I praise Him. :D
  • Ben frost on Genesis 6
    Why did God sent a flood?
  • Vickie Simmons Davis on Genesis 6
    We are beginnning to study the Doctrine of God. What is the Doctrine of God, and what do we need to know concerning that as disciples?


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