Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion



 
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hi Dixon,

    I thought I'd offer an alternative view to consider. Most here seem to be using reasoning that if something is omitted then it didn't happen. I generally disagree with that logic. If 100% of everything was documented from the Bible days there would not be enough paper or ink to even document it all. The general assumption is that because no other women are mentioned that none others existed, but is that true?

    There are many other things not mentioned either, such as Adam and Eve going to the bathroom or bathing or hobbies for how they generally spent their time, but isn't it possible they might have done these things and it just wasn't mentioned? If I wrote a book on a period of my life, I surely wouldn't include everything, but just what I consider to be the most important parts. And any omission wouldn't mean I would be deceiving anyone.

    Maybe Adam and Eve ate of other trees too and did lots of other activities that weren't fully documented. With that in mind, because Adam and Eve were already banished from the Garden and relocated... and due to it mentioning the Land of Nod Genesis 4:16 with virtually no introduction or explanation, I think its possible there were other people created and placed in other regions. I'm just offering this as a possible explanation and not claiming this is what happened.
  • Jimbob - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Dixon and Julius. In ( Genesis 1:26-27) God (created) man in his own image, in the image of God (created) he him; ((MALE AND FEMALE)) (created) he them. God (created) male AND female here. ( Gen 1:31) Tells us "And the evening and the morning were the sixth day" Now in ( Gen 2:1-4) v1 Tells us "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them" v2 Tells us "on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all the work which he had made" v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. (All things were finished, and God rested on the seventh day) Now in the next verse, v5 we see ((there was NOT A MAN to till the ground)) in ( Gen 2:5-7) God had already (created) male and female on the sixth day, yet we are told in v5 there was (not a man) to till the ground. Now in v7 we see "And the LORD God (formed) man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. It wasn't until many verses later that God made Eve from one of Adam's ribs in ( Gen 2:20-23) v23 Tells us "she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" Remember male and female were (created) the sixth day in ( Gen 1:26-28) Then God (formed) Adam of the dust of the ground after He rested the seventh day. And God (made) Eve from one of Adam's ribs so he would have a help meet. The man God (formed) from the dust of the ground (Adam) would be the bloodline that Jesus Christ would come through. There were many people on the earth by that time for Cain to find a wife from the sixth day (creation). Thats why the serpent, (Satan) beguiled Eve in an effort to corrupt that bloodline the Saviour of the world, (Jesus Christ) would come through. Read your KJB along with this and you should have no problem seeing the Truth. Truth matters. Blessings.
  • GIGI - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hello, Julius

    Genesis 5:4 says that Adam (with Eve) begat other sons and daughters besides Cain, Abel, and Seth. So, Cain must have married one of his younger sisters.
  • Julius - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Doesn't answer the question. Where did Cain's women come from. Eve did not have daughters.
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Eve had freewill and choose to sin and she did to be "like God." Maybe Adam wasn't even around initially.

    Today, people try to tempt or convince others they too can be "like God" and some even assume they are a god, or the God. Obviously this comes from satan as he is very skilled at deceiving, including Christians. Emulating the character of Jesus and walking in His footsteps is very different than someone claiming the other self centered special powers- almost like a form of self worship, and separates someone from the one true God, what satan wants.
  • Jewelrivera - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    I'm just waiting to truly understand God's words so I can be truly obedience to him, Thank you GIGI and God bless
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Yes, Jewel, for mankind, This is where sin started. Romans 5:12-15

    But even before the sin of Adam and Eve, Satan sinned before God and so did the angels that followed after him. So, sin originated in Satan. But we each choose to sin due to our sinful nature.
  • Jewelrivera on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Why did Adam allow Eve to eat from the tree of life when God told Adam he could eat from any tree but that and he did it anyway with Eve, is this when sin started?
  • JosephCarterBibleStudy - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Adam and Eve's children would have married each other. Eve is given a prophetical title in Gen 3:20 as, "the mother of all living." There is no law against this at this time and also something different genetically sense people had such long lifespans. Hope that helps.
  • Dixon Winchester on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    If Adam and Eve were the first people on the earth, who was the woman who married Cain? Where did she come from? What is her lineage?

    Thank you.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hello Joann,

    Read Romans Chapter One.

    Also 1 Cor. 6:9
  • Joann Wooten on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Where to find the verses in the Bible where it shows that it is a sin to be gay/ liesibein etc. I have a family member that is saying that it is ok in the new testament of the Bible I know it is a sin, but need to show her proof.

    thanks
  • Jennifer Minton on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Thank You so very much for having this.

    It has helped me in finding many scriptures.

    I really reading the Bible

    Thank You for making this possible.

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    Many Blessings to You and Family.....
  • Jeju - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    This is prime example that no matter how much money we give to churches, we cannot enter in Heaven unless we are born again. Cain was living sinful life; therefore, God rejected his offering.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hi Linda

    I would like to add to what Brother Chris has shared,

    In Hebrews 11:4 it reads "By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain",

    Now faith comes by hearing the word of God,

    So if Abel offered his sacrifice by faith it seems he was instructed to offer the sacrifice he offered.

    BY WHICH HE OBTAINED WITNESS THAT HE WAS RIGHTEOUS, God testifying of his gifts: ( AND BY IT ) he being dead yet speaketh.

    It seems God expected obedience from Cain to follow through with a specific command in Genesis 4:7

    "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    Cain could have humbled himself and pleaded for forgiveness as Brother Chris said.

    It is impossible to please God without faith. Hebrews 11:6.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hello Linda. Many tend to believe that because Cain did not provide a blood offering, God had rejected it. But I cannot be sure whether at that time a blood sacrifice was mandatory, rather, that God was looking for something else.

    Therefore, in Genesis 4:3-5, we read that "the LORD had respect (or, looked upon, attended to) unto Abel and to his offering". I read this as both the offerer & the offering were considered by the LORD whether to be acceptable or not. God was considering Abel, his heart, his motives, his giving, and found him acceptable, as also his offering.

    But with Cain, his heart & offering were not right before the LORD, as we see that Cain flew into a rage when God rejected him & the offering. Abel had brought the "firstlings of his flock & its fat", while Cain might have just grabbed whatever 'produce of the ground' that came to his hand, deeming that the sacrificial act was more important than the quality of the sacrifice & of the heart.

    Cain, who also walked & talked with God as did his parents, should have rather been humbled by his error & pleaded for forgiveness & sought corrective help. But he walked off in a huff & allowed his anger against the LORD & against his brother to fester, allowing the devil to have his way with him ( Genesis 4:7,8; 1 John 3:12). So, in my understanding of these verses, it seems that the LORD was requiring both the gift & giver to be in an optimal state before Him; unfortunately, Cain failed God, his family & left a murderer & a vagabond.
  • Linda on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Why did God reject Cain's offering? He was a tiller of the ground - he gave the first fruits of what he had. I do not understand why it was turned away. Thank You . . .
  • Luke - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    It's called The 6th day Creation when God created Humans, all the races male and female, Adam was FORMED on the 8th, so there were people already in the land.
  • Hano - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    What is the time frame to give context to your questions?

    Are we talking 1 year , 20 years 200 years 500 years ?

    Sorry I don't know .
  • Tron on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    If it was only Adam and Eve and Cain killed Abel.Hoe did he go and find a wife and who would be looking to slay him.
  • Luke - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Hello Jesse, While I agree, without faith it is impossible to please Him/God: And, Cain's offering was a sin offering, a product of the curse (religious yes but in his own way) where exactly may I read of this account you speak of? in scripture of course (because I have not read)

    And I quote

    "If you read the account, Cain sees what Abel is doing, and Cain decides he's going to bring an offering too. But his was religious. He wasn't doing it under the inspiration of God's Spirit. His heart wasn't right."
  • Henry - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Jesse. Amen. Cain's heart was corrupt so all deeds were the same.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Mary,

    Hebrews 11:4 says that by faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of, or literally, over his gifts: and by it he being dead yet he speaks.



    What is it about Abel's life that continues to speak in witness and in testimony? It's that by faith, he offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.



    Now let me share this to you because there are those who say "Well, he presented a better sacrifice, or more excellent sacrifice because it was an animal, or blood sacrifice, a lamb, vs. Cain's sacrifice which was vegetables from out of his garden."



    That's not what the bible says.



    As a matter of fact, if you look further back in the law, because there is no law in Genesis Chapter 4, but if you look into the law about God's requirement for sacrifices, it wasn't just animals and blood.



    There were herbs. There were meal offerings. So it wasn't that God looked at Abel's and said you got the right kind and Cain doesn't, so we'll reject his and we'll accept yours.



    Why was it a more excellent sacrifice?



    Because it was given by faith. Abel was governed by the influence of God's Spirit to bring a sacrifice to God.



    If you read the account, Cain sees what Abel is doing, and Cain decides he's going to bring an offering too. But his was religious. He wasn't doing it under the inspiration of God's Spirit. His heart wasn't right.



    And so when Cain brought his, God rejected it because it was religious and human motivated. Abel showed that he was under the influence of God's Spirit.



    God testifying of his gifts: You see, it's by faith. It doesn't make any difference what it is. It's the motive behind it.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Genesis 4:3-24,

    Note Genesis 4:4 "._..._respect unto Abel & his offering:"

    Genesis 4:5 "But unto Cain & his offering._._."

    Genesis 4:7

    It seems to clearly say it was the person, giving it & how. There are other times GOD didn't accept bad attitudes, behavior nor their sacrifices, or offerings. Hosea 8:13, Jeremiah, Amos 5:22, Malachi 1:10,

    Notice Isaiah 58, Proverbs 21:3, Psalms 19:14, Proverbs 21:3,

    Proverbs 18:5,

    Isn't it interesting how when Jesus was helping people, healing & teaching, His brothers in the Temple also were likewise ready to kill Jesus making Jesus sacrifice acceptable to GOD & not their own? Mark 12, Hebrews 12,

    Romans 12:1,2, Ephesians 5:1-21, 1Peter 2:5,20,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Luke - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    God didn't "respect" Cain's offering why? God want's the best from us, in this case (offerings) Cain brought of the fruit of the ground, Abel brought by faith of the firstlings of his flock, and the fattest ones too.

    Abel brought the best and the fattest sheep, Cain being the offspring of the Serpent, whereas the fruit they bare are bad, see parable of the (fig tree) God didn't respect it.
  • Mary Dobbs on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Why was Cain's sacrifice not accepted by God? Like Ables was.
  • Mary Dobbs on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Why was Cain's sacrifice not accepted by God? Like Ables was.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    The best way to view Adam and Eve's children, is to Google the GENEALOGY of them.

    Be aware some names were popular and later people re-used the same name.

    Find a legible Chart.
  • Luke - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    It's called the 6th day creation, when God created MANKIND, all the races male and female, and saw that it was good!

    Genesis 1:26 And God said,"Let Us make (mankind) in the likeness of Our image: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea,and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

    God ended His work of creating the 2nd Heaven and Earth age on the 6th day. He then sanctified the 7th and theN FORMED

    manADAM on the 8th, Genesis 2:7 a Potter to till the ground, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life(soul)and manAdam became a living soul.

    The dinosaurs are what plenished the earth in the first age before God destroyed it.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Genesis 4 - 1 year ago
    Jeju,

    Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam produced other sons and daughters. For a time, there had to have been marriage between siblings in order to populate further. There was no law against incest at that time because the law had not yet been given until later.


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