Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion

  • C on Genesis 4
    Chapter three:

    1-12: Satan aka the serpent says to women that she should eat the fruit it has the knowledge and is good for food, women agreed and passed on to men, after the fruit was eaten they "opened their eyes" and ran from God due to nudity and fear. God put the tree there and made them in his image therefore God is evil and good and or has a concept of it.

    15-16: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (Women and men were separated and this caused them pain)

    Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow, thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (He wanted them to populate the Earth but in his rath, he took all their resources and turned the Earth against them, and made it hard for them to actually reproduce, also for some reason even though they were supposed to be equal made man rule over women)

    17-20: God makes land poison and makes a man die and "return to dust." Even becoming a mother to all living and given the previous statement was a punishment for her sexuality and the desire to be independent.
  • Lystra George on Genesis 4
    And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

    I would like more clarity thank you.
  • Sacha - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Lystra George ,there is some speculation about this ,i can only tell you what i believe ,others may have a different explination ,Cain commited murder ,God did not sentence him to death ,if He had Cain would have died at this point in the narrative ,God allowed Cain to continue living ,Cain was afraid that the people who loved Abel might try to kill him because he had killed Abel ,Cain asked God to do something to help him so that no one would kill him ,God chose to put a mark on Cain somewhere on him where everyone would see it ,no one knows what this mark was ,i have my own idea but its just my speculation so i'll keep it to myself ,this mark for some reason which we dont definately know ,stopped anyone from killing Cain , as you read there will be lots of things that come together slowly to you ,thats how it should be ,dont worry if you dont understand everything straight away ,no one does i promise you ,just stick with the Bible and come on here and ask us anything ,i will ask you ,do you think the mark of Cain and the bruise on the serpents head might be conncted ? You will know the answer to this question eventually i promise you ,may God bless your efforts to draw closer to Him .
  • Ida simmons on Genesis 4
    if there were 4 people were did cain wife come from
  • FTTOJ on Genesis 4
    Who did Cain marry? What was the mark? Did God have to shed blood to cover Adam and Eve's disobedience?
  • The Tree of Life - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Genesis 3:21

    "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

    In order to make clothing for Adam and Eve, God had to kill an animal, shed it's blood; to make clothes for them.

    Because they sinned, their spiritual connection to God was severed. They were flesh and soul. The were prevented from eating of the TREE OF LIFE. If they had, they would've lived eternally in sin.

    We see that the TREE OF LIFE was moved to heaven, in the Book of Revelation.

    Mankind has lived throughout history, with the knowledge of good and evil; or sin, and separation from God.

    Revelation 2:7

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

    Revelation 22:2

    In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Revelation 22:14

    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    In Revelation, the tree of life represents the restoration of the life-giving presence of God. Restored access to the tree of life was made possible by "the second Adam" ( 1 Corinthians 15:44-49), Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for the sins of all humanity.
  • CAINS GENEALOGY - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Cain Genealogy

    Genesis gives Adam and Eve three children, named Cain, Abel and Seth.

    A genealogy tracing the descendants of Cain is given in Genesis 4, while the line from Seth down to Noah appears in Genesis 5.

    Jesus came through Seths bloodline.
  • Efrain solis - in Reply on Genesis 4
    If cain and abel were adam and eve first two born of eve. Where did or who these people came from. When cain found a wife in nod.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Hi Afrain.

    The scripture doesn't say Cain got his wife from Nod. it says he dwelt in Nod and new his wife, nor does it gives the age of Cain and Abel, We know they had produce and animals and most likely families, And Adam and Eve was asked to multiply the Earth, So of course they had daughters, They could have been hundreds of years old and there could have had Thousands on the Earth from Adam and Eves offspring. I believe Cain had his already had a wife before he went to Nod, Either a sister or a niece.

    Genesis 4:16-17.

    ( And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, )

    and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    Why would God tell Adam and Eve to replenish the earth if it's already populated?

    I hope this helps

    God bless.
  • Wher Did Cain Find His Wife - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Genesis 5

    3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

    4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he (Adam) begat sons and daughters:

    As was nothing in Genesis 4 that requires that Cain met people in the land and married into their clans.

    We don't know if Cain and Abel had any other siblings at the time of Abel's murder, but we do know from Genesis 5:4, that Adam and Even had other sons and daughters.

    It is not at all unreasonable to think that as the population of the world increased they spread out from around Eden into other lands. (NOD). All the members of the first generation would have married siblings or children of siblings. The genetic mutations we are concerned about now would not have been a problem, only after generations would mutations have crept into the gene pool and the danger of close intermarriage (consanguinity) come into being. In the first generations after Adam and Eve, human population would only have increased by FAMILIAL intermarriage.

    Mishael comment: the gene pool was so new and strong, that (incest) was able to withstand genetic weaknesses and disease that it causes in our present time.

    In fact, it is not until the book of LEVITICUS that we find it forbidden to marry siblings, half sibling and in laws.

    Where did Cain find a wife? In the gap between Cain's banishment and Cain's marriage, ( Genesis 5:4). Adam and Eve had more children, probably many more children. We don't know how much TIME PASSED before Cain took a wife, but it's possible that Adam and Eve's children married and had children.

    Cain probably married a sister, or maybe a niece. His wife came from the only available population of humans: the descendants of his parents Adam and Eve.

  • Randall Permann on Genesis 4:1
    I am wondering how many people made it to the Promised Land originally?
  • Walt on Genesis 4:1
    Did all man kind/all races of man start with Eve?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 4:1
    If you carefully read Genesis, you'll see that after Cain, Abel and Seth; Eve had more children.

    I get lots of info from reading Geneology lists in the Bible. You can Google charts of BIBLE Geneology that you can look at.

    Jesus's Geneology is really interesting if you know where the Bible speaks about some of his ancestors. Rehab was a prostitute. Ruth had been a Moabite priestess who assisted with child sacrifice. Very interesting.
  • Kevin - in Reply on Genesis 4:1
    There are no races, sir. God has only created one race. The human race. God has created all nations to on earth from one blood. The blood of Adam.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 4:1
    Walt, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Man didn't start with eve; man started with Christ. Adam was just a shadow of the TRUE FIRST MAN CREATED.

    Revelation 3:14 .... the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD...

    The true witness is Christ.

    Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness....

    Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the BEGINNING and the ENDING....

    Jesus was the first man created; and when HIS WORKS are finished, He will be the LAST MAN created.

    Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, and THEY ARE CREATED; and thou renewest the face of the earth.

    Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he (GOD) did foreknow (ALL CREATION), he also did predestinate to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that he (THE SON) might be the firstborn (FIRST MAN OF CREATION) among many brethren (LAST MAN OF CREATION).
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 4:1
    Hi Walt.

    Yes, no reason to believe otherwise.

    Genesis 3:20 (KJV) And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of "" ALL living.""
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 4:1
    S Spencer, Yes eve was the first of all living in the flesh, Christ is the first of all living the Spirit.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 4:1

    Amen, Thanks Earl
  • Olivia on Genesis 4
    So does God have powers?
  • Ron 2 Timothy215 on Genesis 4
    Does God love us more than those who came before us? From Pentecost to now, have we become more holy or more worthy that we should be spared from what all the believers in Christ had to endure that came before us? The body of Christ in the past have been stoned, beheaded, crucified, impaled and dipped in oil, lit as lamps along roadsides, burned at the stake, fed to lions, killed by gladiators, and tortured beyond imagination. Inflicted by kingdoms, empires, and countries throughout history even by the Roman Catholic Church, and is still going on. Do we think the end times will be worse than they have had to endure?

    Why should the last generation be spared? "Take heed that no man deceive you"!

    The great tribulation and the wrath of God, are not the same thing. We will be spared the wrath of God, but we have been promised tribulations, the wrath of God is after the second coming of Christ when there is no more repentance.

    Acts.14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

    1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

    Matthew 24:21,29 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    Out of love, Ron
  • Dorothy on Genesis 4
    Where does it say when plain for your future put God

    first, something like that.
  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Hi Dorothy,

    Hopefully these may be the verses you were looking for:

    James 4:13-15 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:

    Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

    For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

    Maybe Proverbs 3:5-6. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

    In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

    God Bless.
  • Victor on Genesis 4
    does anyone consider Cain and Abel as Esau and Isaac? any connections?
  • Lamech on Genesis 4
    God must be mad,he multiply Cain for who slew his brother.
  • Taron mitchell on Genesis 4
    I love God and god love me to and I love his word
  • BFromJESUS on Genesis 4
    "Building a case on Paul's thorn in the flesh"

    Please brethren help me build a case on Paul's thorn in the flesh. I need your help gathering scripture, verses, and any information regarding "Paul's Thorn" so far I have discovered a few possibilities. In

    ( 2 Corinthians 12:5-10) Paul mentions:Verse 5 "infirmities" then in verse 7 he mentions the "thorn in the flesh" but in the same verse he wrote "the messenger of satan" and it also says "to buffet me" then in verse 9 he mentions "infirmities" again.

    But in verse 10 this is where it gets interesting he mentions ("infirmities" "reproaches" "necessities" "persecution" and "distresses".) So far I have found one major clue its in ( Acts 28:1-6) it's right after they survived the shipwreck and landed in Melita. It mentions a venomous snake in verse 3 that "fastened on his hand" but I know there are many other possibilities for Paul's thorn in the flesh. Some scholars mention he had eye problems or that he was beaten, others say he had men who opposed him. Can you please help me gather proof on these claims please. God Bless you all in Jesus Christ's name, Amen.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 4
    This would be an extremely difficult case to build as Paul is simply not specific to what was given him to keep him from becoming conceited after those mighty revelations.

    I have always tended to believe that his eyes caused him a lot of bother. Whether he had first acquired some disease that eventually affected other parts of his body in the long term & especially his eyes, one can't be certain. Anyway, I'll give you some other Scriptures for you to consider (not in any order):

    a. Romans 16:22 (Paul was the author, but Tertius his scribe possibly because of Paul's vision).

    b. 1 Corinthians 16:21 & 2 Thessalonians 3:17 (Paul managed to sign off with his name while others helped with the writing of the epistle).

    c. Galatians 6:11 (Paul wrote in large letters, rather than writing a 'long letter', as he didn't have a scribe to help him).

    d. Galatians 4:13 (Paul preached to the Galatians first, possibly because of the region's higher altitude may have helped with a disease, e.g. malaria which left untreated, might have caused eye problems) & then in Galatians 4:15 (that the Galatians would have given him "their eyes" for his need).

    e. Acts 23:3-5 (Paul insulted the High Priest not recognizing him, or as some suppose, that Paul was saying "I didn't expect a High Priest (of his calibre) to order me beaten").

    Sorry, I'm directing this response towards Paul's eyes, as I feel that this was where his infirmity was. But of course, no one can say with full certainty.
  • S Spencer on Genesis 4
    We often get questions on whether Jesus could have committed sin, some believe he had a sin nature but was just obedient, and all we have to be obedient and trust in Christ and we shall be saved, ( In that order, SANCTIFICATION AND THEN SALVATION AFTER THAT. ) They don't view the ten commandments as our schoolmaster to show us our short comings, and a need for a savior but rather they're instructions to salvation. But how can they be instructions for salvation if they were impossible to keep being we have this cursed sin nature? If you can keep all the commandments why is there a need to be born again? If we are not born with a sin nature why are we baptized in Jesus death? Did Jesus struggle to resist sin as we do? Better yet did struggle with doing the right thing as we do? ""NO"". If we go to hell it will be because we didn't believe in he who was promised to come 430 years before the commandments, because we was transgressors before the commandments, and when the commandments came we died because we became sin. Jesus came to take the PENALTY of sin "which is death" off us and placing it on himself and defeating death when he rose from the dead! so if we was baptized in his death we should walk in newness of life by his resurrection, So sanctification comes after salvation. Man isn't a sinner because he committed a sin, Man commits sin because he is a sinner. ( EXAMPLE) You take a man biting dog and tie him up. he's now unable to bite is he still a man biting dog? The ability of man able to sin makes him imperfect and unholy apart from Jesus Christ. So if you want to be judged by your achievements you're still in bondage, if you trust in Christ you are freed. Thank you.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Page 2.

    Romans 2:14,15 clearly show that the Law was never in our possession & we've never been subject to them. And then when the Gentiles became believers, the only instruction given was, not that any of the commandments given to the Jews be followed, but as per Acts 15:19,20: "Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

    Rather, our directive can never be from the Law given to Israel, because "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." ( Romans 8:2). If the Life-giving Spirit freed a Jewish Paul from the bondage of the Law, how much more to us Gentiles, who never received the Law, are only subject to the Spirit's directions in our lives.

    Again, thank you for bringing up those very worthy points.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 4
    Thanks Chris, That's very clear.

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