Genesis Chapter 4 Discussion Page 20



 
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4
    At first thought, "Doing not well" comes across as doing bad, but not quite so! Here, sin is being anthropomorphized as a ravening beast. It is identified separately from "doing not well", so we know they're not the same. Doing not well is simply the lack of doing good. It is being lukewarm.

    A subtle but profound piece of advice is offered in this verse.

    If we want to avoid sin, we should constantly occupy ourselves with doing good. Mediocrity is a street that leads to a really bad neighborhood.

    A predator most often goes after the weak. So we should be putting on an excessively athletic display (of goodness) in an attempt to discourage it (sin). We want the ravenous beast to look and say, "Forget that!"
  • Rosalina on Genesis 4
    (This is my comment to Anonymous's Genesis Chapter 4 comment about verse 5 on 9/04/2013, 11:28am):

    Since Abel, was a keeper of the "sheep", therefore he was able to offer the firstlings of his "flock" together with its "fat" to the Lord. And since Cain, was a tiller of the ground, therefore he brought of the fruit of the ground as his offering unto the LORD. God being a righteous God, knew that Cain couldn't produce "fat" out of the fruit of the ground. Therefore, "fat" wasn't the reason why God did not respect the offering of Cain. But the reason was because Cain didn't do well and it has something to do with "sin" as stated in verse 7.
  • Rosalina on Genesis 4
    (This is my respond to Thomas's Genesis Chapter 4 comment on 9/04/2013, 12:34pm):

    You are right by saying that all human beings came from male named, Adam. He was the first man created by God and he got sons with his wife, Eve. Your conclusion was right that he also drawn sons and daughters by incest during his long life at that time. Remember that Adam and Eve were taken out of the garden of Eden and placed them to the East of Eden because they committed a sin against God. Remember also that Cain dwelt in the land of Nod which was located at the East of Eden after committing sin against God. Therefore, it is not impossible that all of them with their tribes mingled together at the east of Eden. So, the idea that there's another garden of Eden created is not true. But the fact which was based on the scriptures was that all of them started to multiply at the east of Eden. Remember that God placed an angel with a sword to guard the way to the Garden of Eden. It follows too that by then, all of them knew sin.
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4:8
    Not to be confrontational, but to attribute the concept of a hereafter to Aristotle (who died in 322 BC) while sitting in front of this particular document (given sometime before 1273 BC)...
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4:17
    Adam is the Hebrew word for 'man', while eve means 'source of life'. The word we translated to rib is an ambiguous term which refers to the side. So, God took one of/from man's side. To this day we often refer to our spouse as 'our other half' or even 'our better half'. And again, it is written that when man and woman come together they become one flesh. We become whole again.

    Individuals living in excess of 900 years doesn't comply with the 120 year limit God placed on man's life. However, if we look at each individual as representing an entire body of people living during a period it starts to make sense. Many of your family names still reflect similar practices. Smith, Gardner, Cook, Baker, Mason, etc.

    Such answers tend to open more questions than they answer, but that may be a tell-tale sign that we're actually getting somewhere. The more we know, the more we know we don't know.
  • Thomas on Genesis 4
    I have read several comments regarding the questions of where everyone came from as the bible mentions only males and I have drawn a conclusion that during Adam's long life their was other sons and daughters born unto them. It is also my conclusion that there was incest at that time. Look at it this way, if God made other people there would be those who knew no sin because they were not around when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. Should we say God created other Gardens and all groups followed the same thoughts? To much coincidences!
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4:5
    An explanation is given in the previous verse. Abel brought 'the fat thereof', meaning his best.

    The Bible isn't careless with words. The mention of 'the fat thereof' is deliberate, as is the omission if it in regards to Cain's offering.

    If it's not the best, then what is it? It's blemished. Cain's offering was comparable to fruit that was stunted, malformed, bruised, worm-eaten, pecked, or otherwise damaged. It was the undesirables of his harvest. It was, in every sense, 'bad fruit'. (And this may very well be the source of its metaphorical use.) What is unacceptable for the table is typically thrown to the livestock, but Cain offered it to God.
  • Anonymous on Genesis 4
    Depending on your state of being, a long life can be either a blessing or a curse. In the instance of Cain, we understand that his condition is nothing less than tormented. So to guarantee that Cain would have to endure his punishment until his body decayed from old age, and ultimately failed, was tantamount to a life-sentence.

    The brief mention of Lamech's similar situation compliments this lesson by providing us with a few more bits of valuable information.
  • Gideon Vincent on Genesis 4:13
    God was merciful to Cain a bit, if not he was to deserve death.
  • Rosalia on Genesis 4
    I believe i found the better suitable answer by digging around .. ^_^
    Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture ( Genesis 4:1). His brothers, Abel ( Genesis 4:2) and Seth ( Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth.

    Even though only these three males are mentioned by name, Adam and Eve had other children. In Genesis 5:4 a statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve—“And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters.” This does not say when they were born. Many could have been born in the 130 years ( Genesis 5:3) before Seth was born.

    During their lives, Adam and Eve had a number of male and female children. The Jewish historian Josephus wrote that, “The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.”[11]

    The Bible does not tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve. However, considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years— Genesis 5:5), it would seem reasonable to suggest there were many! Remember, They were commanded to “Be fruitful, and multiply” ( Genesis 1:28).
  • Rosalia on Genesis 4:17
    I have the same question ...but who will ever answer those question ...is there maybe something that we didn't really understood ...and Cain should be slaughtered from who ?
  • Yetunde on Genesis 4
    Upon all what Cain did and the sin the parent committed God still have mercy on the family. What do you think
  • Mark on Genesis 4
    The Bible is not a full total account of history.
    There are things that we will never know because there is not enough information given.
  • George Hartwell on Genesis 4
    If Seth was one of the sons of Adam and Eve, the first humans, where did Seth find his wife?
    And where did Cain find his wife?
  • Louise on Genesis 4
    In response to Rebecca's comment that only male births are mentioned she didn't read Genesis 4:22
  • Dennis on Genesis 4
    Does anyone know what the mark was that Cain received?
  • Deborah on Genesis 4:17
    I believe that Adam and Eve were the first people that God created, but h
    He also created other men and women to replenish the earth and they were all called Adam in the day that they were created by the hand of God. The Adam who named his wife Eve was of the lineage of Christ and that is why his story is relevant.Plus the fact that he was the first Adam created.
  • J.R. on Genesis 4:8
    Wesley's Notes

    Sorry, but you are wrong. Life after death is a pagan philosophy insituted by aristotle and socrates to dumb down the masses. They didnt believe in it al all. There is also many bible quotes that back this up. Think about it, if the soul was immortal and instantly rose, then what would be the point of the ressurection and 2nd coming of Jesus. The bible says, "The dead in Christ shall rise" and the sea will give up its dead. If judgment happened already why would this be necessary??
  • K S REDDY on Genesis 4
    And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.-Upto now except Adam no male is in existance who will kill him
  • Clint on Genesis 4
    sean murphy, wrong wrong cain wasnt satans son, cain was evil in his heart, thats why he was called of that evil one ! and when flood came all of cains descendants died ! get it right brother !
  • Rebecca on Genesis 4
    @Betty and the others questioning where the other people came from, back then the people would marry within family so Cain married his sister. She is not mentioned as being born because if you notice through out the Bible only male births were mentioned.
  • Joseph on Genesis 4:10
    No one will run away from God, whatever you do, God is watching.
  • Betty johnso on Genesis 4
    Where did all the other people come from? Cain left and met a wife where did she come from? Did God go make people elsewhere and which He did not say in the Bible.
  • Naa on Genesis 4
    @Julia,
    One thing I've started to realize after going to an awesome Bible study is that the Bible doesn't tell of every single thing that happened, day by day, year by year, every single incident. So WHEN did Cain speak of these people? WHEN did Cain kill Abel? And WHAT happened in between that time? As we all know, the life span of people in those days were much longer than ours. For all we know, Cain could have killed Abel when he was 90 years old or 200 years old for all we know. I also noticed that I did not see any time span between when Eve had the two. I only see that she begat Cain and that she again bare his brother Abel. Could they have been the ONLY ones she conceived at that time or just the first 2 sons?... I notice that in the Bible it is common to note the men/sons who were born, but not so much the daughters. So who is to say that there were no daughters born to Adam and Eve during the time of Cain and Abel's life? Could they have had families as well? This is just my little brain at work. I won't spend forever trying to come up with an answer I know I won't be able to answer alone without God's understanding, but that is just my little piece of the thread.
  • Julia Nze on Genesis 4
    I just have a question and would really appreciate answers (if anyone has got it), Cain talked about getting killed after punishment had been pronounced on him; if he was the first born of Adam and had just killed the second other human aside from his parents, who were the people he spoke of?
  • Tia on Genesis 4
    I believe everything that has been spoken and there is nothing to change.
  • J.R. on Genesis 4
    @Silent,
    I disagree with you; God actually did the first skinning/killing. As soon as Adam and Eve were kicked out, God found clothes for them, made of animal skin.
  • J.R. on Genesis 4
    Very good comments here, I see some people think like I do, regarding the difference in the fact that:
    1. God created man with a snap of his finger, and
    2. God created man from dust and breathed life into him.
    Someone has also pointed out that God conspicuously placed man in the Garden to work.
  • Jackie on Genesis 4
    Finally someone who thinks mostly like me and really studies the Bible too! I have been studying Genesis nonstop for months now! Praying God for understanding in the spirit. Jane I would love to keep in touch. I know God had to lead me to you!
  • OYELADE EZEKIEL OLAOLUWA on Genesis 4:17
    Only God knows this. The word of God is mystery, we only know what he reveals, what is hid we don’t know. But the fact remains that, God will never compromise with his standard, whatever he command, let’s cling to it because heaven is real and hell fire is real too. We will not miss it, in Jesus’ name. Amen.


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