Genesis Chapter 3 Discussion

  • Philip Kornev on Genesis 3
    Very interesting but sad.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Genesis 3
    I would like to comment on Versus 14-19 God cursed Satan with all fallen angels, with seven curses, all of these are metaphorical. He is cursed below the cattle and beast of the field, meaning they will end up in a better state then he would end up in, because they had a body to fulfil their desires. In curse 3 he would go on his belly, the word belly means spirit, therefore God took away the angelic bodies of all fallen angels from that point until today, knowing that they seek embodiment from others. In curse four, the serpent is cursed to eat dust, this curse is about mankind who was created from the dust of the earth, Satan and all fallen angels feed off of our sins, as this becomes food for him. Curse five, there would be war between him and the woman, meaning the church of Jesus Christ, curse six war would be between her seed, meaning the Lord Jesus Christ and the children of the devil. In curse seven, Satan would destroy the body of Christ on Calvary, but in doing this, the Lord Jesus would destroy his head.

    The five curses of Eve were then given, all of these are literal, the woman's sorrow and conception would be multiplied in sorrow, The third curse is about woman bearing children in pain, the fourth curse is about woman's desire to her husband, meaning she will fight him to rule over him, the fifth curse is that the man will rule over the woman.

    In the seven curses of Adam, six of them are metaphorical and the last one is literal, in curse one, God cursed his ground, meaning his spirit, soul and body became mortal. In curse two, mankind would eat from the cursed ground, meaning his meditation would be carnal and he would do the evil from his own thoughts, as eating means obedience. In curse three, Adam's ground would produce thorns, the Lord Jesus in Matthew 13 interprets this as the cares and riches of the world. In curse four, Adam's ground would produce thistles, the Apostle Paul interprets this in Hebrews 6 as religion. Please write me for more
  • T. Levis - in Reply on Genesis 3
    The "New" John? Perhaps you're asking abut Paul whose name was Saul? Acts 9:4-5,19,20, please read the Book of Acts, if you want the full account in context.

    Revelations 1:1-2, John

    Hopefully this is helpful.
  • LYN BLAINE on Genesis 3
    I need to see where in the book of revelations does it show the discipal that is the new leader on earth
  • Judy Ritchey on Genesis 3
    This book is by far the best book ever written. I love reading the stories about the characters in the Bible. Thanks for sharing this story about Adam and Eve and others. Have a fantastic day .
  • Pam Kirby - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Thank you
  • GiGi - in Reply on Genesis 3
    A very apt reply, Chris. Thank you. In reading your many post, I can tell that you are well taught in Christian doctrine and have a deep love for God, the Scripture, and correct thinking in our Christian walk. It is good to have brethren like you to share ideas with. Thank you.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Another great write-up, GiGi. This 'serpent seed' teaching has been around for awhile, being propagated by the likes of Branham, Murray, Sun Myung Moon, etc. It wasn't taken from the Scriptures, as Genesis 4:1 clearly records the Truth, but evil men, appealing to extra-biblical sources (e.g. writings of Valentinus - 2nd Century AD & the Gospel of Philip - 4th Century AD), then re-translated the Genesis account to support their belief. And of course, British Israelism, Christian Identity Theology, KKK, & other white supremicist organizations, use it as a foundational platform to support their position of separation & hatred. So, it's good to read your comments, as others also, who clearly stay with the Word of God & not lean to fanciful theories & teachings.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Thank you GiGi for that tremendous declaration & worthy thoughts. I liken the lives of Adam & Eve (pre-fall) to that of Jesus, the Son of God, the Son of Man, & called the Last Adam. Even though "the first Adam was made a living soul & the last Adam was made a quickening spirit", I sense that Adam & Eve's walk before their Creator, their spiritual perfection, & their continual communion with God, can be seen clearly in the humanity of the Word of God made flesh.

    Indeed, we don't know the answers to those questions you posed, but I don't believe they ever forgot their Creator & the miracle of life given to them to live on a beautiful Earth. They would have walked on Earth as if they would have walked if in Heaven - the Voice of God that the heavenly beings heard would have also brought the same authority & comfort to their ears on Earth. But how then could they fall for such a deception? If Satan could fall whilst in the heavenlies because of pride, it remains little wonder that man could similarly be enticed to covet all the Wisdom of God.
  • GiGi on Genesis 3
    Next, I want to comment about what God said to the serpent. I am so glad that God made it clear to Adam and Eve that this flashy, fancy-dancy serpent is not a friend of God or mankind. He let them know that the devil is our enemy and should never be trusted. God let Adam and Eve know that the devil answers to God, not the other way around and that God is more powerful and has more authority than the devil. Those are excellent things to know! God could have spoken to Adam and Eve without the serpent being present and visa-versa. But God wanted both parties to hear what he had to say and what judgements He pronounced for each party. There was so much for Adam and Eve to learn about both God and the devil. It was truly good for them to learn this right away after their first sin of disobedience.

    I have always been touched by the story of Joseph and how after it was coming to fruition, Joseph said that what was intended to him for evil, God turned into good to him (paraphrase). Isn't that what happened here in Eden, too? I think this is part of the reason God put so much information in the Bible about certain people and the right and wrong they did in order for those people and us can learn about how He works all things for good to those who love Him and are called by His purpose. ( Romans 8:28) He loves us and nothing can separate us from His love!

    Lastly, I have often thought how amazing the cherubim and sword must have looked that guarded the entrance to Eden. Adam and Eve must have been amazed by its beauty and also a bit terrified at the same time. Can we even imagine the outstanding, extraordinariness of heavenly creatures! They rightly put Satan and all fallen angels to shame! No wonder the prophets had such strong physical reactions to the visions God brought to them. Our flesh can barely stand the holy. Not even Moses was allowed to see God's face on Sinai, but He did experience God's glory. Wow! Life changing!
  • GiGi on Genesis 3
    So much to consider in this chapter!

    I have often wondered how many days had Adam and Eve walked in the Garden with the Lord? was it just a few times or long enough for Adam and Eve to develop a relationship with God that was precious to them. Did they look forward to this meeting each day and talk to each other about the last morning or evening's meeting with the Lord? Did their hearts burn within them as was the case with the disciples on the road to Emmaus after Jesus was resurrected? How blissful this must have been! What did God speak to them when they met with Him in the garden in the cool of the day? How much did they know about God's perfections through these meetings?

    Lot's of questions that the text does not give us answers to, so we have to accept that we do not know.

    Even so, those who think God is a far off God, these meetings show that He desired close fellowship with us from the very beginning. Through Jesus we have a way to have fellowship with our great God anytime we wish. What a privilege we do not deserve!

    God could have cursed Adam and Eve so much more than what He did. They experienced His mercy instead of wrath. Being expelled from the garden and not able to return must have been heartbreaking. Yet, they would discover that the world God made is still extraordinarily beautiful, but not as pristine as the garden. What grace!

    Adam was made to labor in the major task God had designed for him. Work the land to provide sustenance. Eve was made to labor in the major task God had designed for her, to give birth to living humans to nurture. Perhaps in God's mercy and wisdom, He gave such curses to teach mankind to value what they labor to produce for the good of their family. I am not talking about loving material things, but enjoying the fruits of your own labors, whether humble or grand, being thankful to God for not having the laboring be detrimental, but helpful and healthy as well as being grateful to what these labors produce.
  • GiGi on Genesis 3
    As I continue to read in chapter 3, I ponder the nakedness of Adam and Eve. Was it the exposure of their private parts that made them ashamed or was it the loss of shining light of holiness that made them notice that they now looked different? Was knowing that they had lost the shining light of holiness cause them to realize that they had broken fellowship with God and were ashamed for God to see them diminished (as they may have viewed it since they did not know before this what sin was)? Some say their bodies were translucent and glowed with holy light. Maybe. I think there definitely was a change in their appearance to each other. They knew something had changed and not for the good. There is nothing wrong with being naked, but there is something wrong with losing one's holiness. They would have noticed this.

    So glad that God sought them out as they hid from Him. he knew exactly where they were and what had happened. He gave them an opportunity to come "clean" with Him. They had tried to cover their sin by fig leaves. He had to ask them "Who told you you were naked?"

    They immediately began the blame game, not taking responsibility for their individual choices.

    I don't think they understood the depth of what they lost in their disobedience, they did know that their disobedience changed them in a negative way. They didn't even know what death was yet. They would eventually see what it is when Cain kills Abel and Abel is not with them anymore, no longer alive. Perhaps going through all of this and receiving mercy from God may have made Adam and Eve more adamant about believing in God and preaching about Him for 900+ years. Cain and Abel learned something about sacrificing to God from them.

    Adam and Eve alone knew what it meant to lose holy perfection. No one else in all of mankind ever experiences this. Thus the lesson for them and all of us to seek God and His righteousness. Here at the very beginning, God allows this so that no man can boast but in Christ Jesus!
  • GiGi on Genesis 3
    On to chapter 3! Can't even count how many times I have read Genesis in my lifetime!

    Reading the comments, I must pose my position on whether Cain was Adam's son or the serpent's. Adam's Son.

    I don't think that anything sexual happened between Eve and the serpent. I strongly really doubt that God would allow the first sexual experience of Eve would be with anyone but her husband, Adam, nor any after that. God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and present a distortion of what God had said about eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good an evil. The text does not say that God allowed Satan to touch Eve or Adam physically.

    I tend to think of Satan's appearance in the garden as being a very beautiful dragon (often referred to as a serpent elsewhere in Scripture). Eve would not have been suspect of him by looking at him. I don't think that the tree was Satan because it was the knowledge of both good an evil. At this time, Satan had nothing good in him, although he knew what God says is good and what is evil. The text does not say anywhere that the tree was evil. The evil was in the serpent and disobeying God's good command and eating the fruit and believing the tempter over God. The tree was morally neutral but necessary in God's eternal plan. It's presence and God's command allows for the fall of man. This then creates the need for redemption by God in Christ for mankind, through whom the devil and all of his evil works will be crushed and destroyed at the fulfillment of time in both the first and second advent of Jesus, our Messiah.

    With Adam and Eve's sin, the sinful nature entered the gene pool of humanity. Cain and Abel were both sinners. We don't know what happened in Cain's heart and what sinful choices made him stray farther from God than Abel. But we can deduce that Abel was more humble and repentant than Cain. Perhaps Satan tempted Cain more seeing that Cain was more readily manipulated by his schemes. God permitted this for a greater purpose.
  • S Spencer - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Hi Brother Earl.

    Can we grieve the Holyspirit? If so what causes this, Isn't it Mans free will by obeying the opposition?

    Just a thought.

    God bless.
  • Adam - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Hi Earl,

    I don't understand your definition of the word then. To help me understand, did you choose to type a response to me or did something force you to do that beyond your will? It sounds like you don't believe you have some kind of freedom to do what you want, but I can't relate to that, because I have complete freedom and that can be used for good or evil. I'm typing a response to you willingly because I choose to. Maybe you're not? If you feel like you're being controlled by another force against your will then there's probably nothing left to discuss on the topic, as I just can't relate and is hard to believe it.

    Joshua 24:15

    God bless...
  • How Satan Tries to Twist Geneology; one of his weapons - in Reply on Genesis 3
    TWO Enochs in the Bible

    Enoch (Hebrew: meaning "initiated") is a name in the Hebrew Bible used by two separate figures who lived during the generation of Adam.

    The first Enoch was the SON OF CAIN.

    He is the father of Irad. After Cain arrived in the Land of Nod, to which he was evicted by the Lord as his punishment for murdering his brother Abel. His wife became pregnant and bore Cain's first child, whom he named Enoch.

    The SECOND Enoch was a descendant of SETH, the third son of Adam, and great-grandfather of NOAH ( Genesis 5:22-29). SETH is the bloodline of Jesus Christ ancestors and Must Not be Confused with Cains ancestor.

    First Book of Enoch was at first accepted in the Christian Church but later excluded from the biblical canon. Its survival is due to the fascination of marginal and heretical Christian groups, such as the Manichaeans, with its syncretic blending of Iranian, Greek, Chaldean, and Egyptian elements.

    Justin, Athenagoras, Irenaeus, Clemens Alexandrinus, Lactantius, and others borrowed an opinion out of this Book of Enoch, that the angels had connection with the daughters of men, of whom they had offspring (Nephilim: 'the giants of the past'). Tertullian, in several places, speaks of this book with esteem; and would persuade us, that it was preserved by Noah during the deluge. The Book of Enoch, however, was rejected by Origen, Jerome and Augustin as spurious.

    [newworldencyclopedia DOT ORG]

    Mishael comment: there is Much confusion as to the First Enoch, son of CAIN (who was cursed by God), in Genesis.

    Satan seeks to confuse people by causing those who are following to use THE BLOODLINE NAMES of Jesus's Geneology twice.

    It helps to find charts made by reputable ministers on Google and compare carefully to the KJV record. Often charts will be disputed by those who dispute the person and Holy Lord Jesus. It all originated in Genesis.

    Stay on task and don't incorporate heresy.
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Brother Adam, maybe our definition of FREE WILL differ. FREE would dictate that; that WILL, would have no CAUSE making it occur other than yourself.

    Man makes CHOICES thousands or time a day; but those CHOICES have a CAUSE:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh in you TO WILL and TO DO ....

    They is never an effect without there first being a CAUSE.

    God is sovereign and the CAUSE of everything.

    Romans 2:4 Man repents be CAUSE of the goodness of God

    Philippians 1:29 You BELIEVE be CAUSE Christ CAUSES you to believe.

    Galatians 1:20 You have faith be CAUSE Christ GIVES you HIS faith.

    John 6:44 No one comes to Christ with a CAUSE, the Father draws that person to Christ.

    God CAUSES and DOES everything, man is the benefactor of CAUSES of GOD.

    Colossians 1:17 ...and by him all thing consist.... even you CHOICES.

    John 15:5 can of yourself DO NOTHING...
  • Adam - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Hi Earl,

    It sounds like your argument is based on an assumption.

    "If man has FREEWILL, why does man ALWAYS chose EVIL, why wouldn't at least a FEW men choose to never sin. If they have FREEWILL."

    To challenge this assumption, I may ask why you assume a 'few' wouldn't sin and where would this expectation come from? I don't have this expectation that flawed humans can be perfect, so I wonder why you assume freewill would make such a feat possible?

    Is it possible that you're conflating freedom of choice with supernatural powers? Perhaps thinking freewill is more than just a choice, but like a free wish from God?

    I may 'choose' to be the tallest man in the world, but that doesn't mean I will be. Our choices only occur within our own reality. I can wish to be in Hawaii right now, but that's different than me choosing and making subsequent plans to actually go there. Our freewill doesn't mean we can transcend reality and have magical powers, so I don't think freewill helps someone be perfect. It's closer to the opposite. If we were robots we'd have no choice and would likely operate morally perfect as designed. God hates sin and doesn't make anyone sin, but if you don't have any freewill you would have to explain that contradiction. But since we do have freewill, it's not a contradiction. With freewill we're tempted every day nearly 24/7 and face constant moral choices throughout our lives and it seems unrealistic to assume that an imperfect human can somehow choose to be perfect.

    Did I understand your question correctly and does anything I wrote resonate?
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Brother Adam, If man has FREEWILL, why does man ALWAYS chose EVIL, why wouldn't at least a FEW men choose to never sin. If they have FREEWILL.

    But, that would make this scripture a LIE:

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO ....

    Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin (No), can a leopard change his spots? (No) then may you also do good, (No) that are accustomed TO DO evil.

    Romans 8:20 For the creature itself was made SUBJECT TO VANITY, not willingly ....
  • Adam - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Evil is disobeying and rebelling against God. God loved everyone enough to give everyone freewill to choose right from wrong. Think of how people would complain if they were robots without choices. Well, they aren't and not they complain when they choose evil. But most people usually only complain about the evil done to them, not the evil they do to others. They still want the freedom to commit evil which negatively impacts others. Interesting how this works.

    Angels in heaven had freewill, which is why satan was banished. Adam and Eve had everything perfect but also chose evil. Evil exists because people keep choosing it willingly, and God loved them enough to allow them that choice.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 3
    To my knowledge the book of Enoch was never included in the KJV since it was only found in the 50s with the death sea scrolls. There are ample mentions of him and his writing throughout the bible though, especially the new testament.

    Genesis 5:18-24. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. This and his for the times below average lifespan of three hundred sixty and five years, everyone living about 700-1000 years in those days, mean to me that his life wasn't ended because of death, but because, as it says, God took him after Enoch walking with him, which is perfectly described in the book of Enoch.

    Hebrews 11:4-5. 5 makes mention of Enoch, whom by faith was "translated". I interpret this word as him being taken by God, since he was not found due to God having translated him. For before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God, so it says, and this testimony is likely to be his writing. 4 makes mention of Abel speaking even after death, which to my knowledge isn't really explained anywhere else in the bible but is perfectly made sense of in Enoch, where he looks into the depths of the Sheol only to find Abel claiming vengeance for the murdering of him (if someone knows of any passage of the bible which also mentions this I'd be very happy to know).

    Lastly, Jude 1:14-15. Must I say any more?

    I don't know much about other Apocrypha. I know, superficially, for example, that the deuterocanonical books were instilled by the catholic church and are quite contradictory with the rest of the bible, for the reasons this very same website mentions in its page about the apocrypha. I haven't read them though, so I couldn't know. I recommend the book of Enoch because sufficient mention is made of him to prove its veracity, and that it satisfies the curiosity of us creationists while also explaining, as I said, the nature of malevolence, the giants, of whom David fought one, the Lords cosmology and creation, etc.
  • Lina - in Reply on Genesis 3
    We were taught NOT to read the Apocrypha. I knew about the missing books. I was never taught as to why the books were taken out the KJV. Now that I am an adult I took the time to find answers as to why. Also, to find the names of the books. I was told seven. I found fourteen along with the Dead Sea Scrolls info. The same one's the took out the books also were going to add five books that are in the KJV. They changed their minds I guess. In my studies I found a lot of ugly things that took place concerning The Bible. In the books of The Apocrypha I found answers to the books that were Canonized. Who gave them the authority to take anything out of BIBLE. At the end of Revelation it clearly states NOT TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM THIS BOOK....
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Perhaps you would find some of the answers you seek in the books of Enoch, such as the nature of evil, or the humanoid beings which have animalesque features to them that were portrayed in ancient religions and whose discovery nowadays is hidden from the public. I recommend you read it.
  • Marcos Veloz on Genesis 3
    Yes I do... Jesus Christ is GOD "Romas 9:5".
  • JESUS EQUIPPED US__LETS USE IT - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Satan was a created archangel. When he was ejected from Heaven (with 1/3 angels; turned demons)

    They have no bodies. They have to borrow bodies to do their evil. Evil humans give their bodies to do evil. Demons can borrow animal,reptile, etc.

    Satan didn't have Dominion or Authority to do anything to born again Christians; but the Christians must be taught what they have in Christ. Ephesians 6

    Look at Hollywood! Way more movies on occult, sci-fi, and humans hurting humans. Very very few scriptural Bible films.

    Humans were given Dominion in Genesis by God.

    Only Bible readers would know that. Jesus defeated Satan by being crucified and then Resurrected. Christians have the same AUTHORITY to defeat Satan's strategies against us. It's done in prayer on our knees.

    Most people just want to come home and watch tv or play online games.

    Bad things happen to good people/Christians because we don't want to do the hard stuff that produces salvations, healings, deliverance from Satan's attacks. We don't need to be blaming God for our inability to follow the example of Jesus.

    What would happen if we walked out on the back porch and yelled out loud: in Jesus Name, by His power and Authority, I take Dominion over every demonic strategy to hurt me and my family and loved ones. I bind your evil plans and cast you OUT OF THIS HOUSE







    I ask the Lord, to release warring angels to enforce and protect this prayer; minister to and guard those this prayer covers. Cover me and favor my family, Lord Jesus,

    I give you thanksgiving, my praise to you, worship and honor. Impart to me discernment so I may stand in the watchtower and be vigilant against Satan's attacks. I rebuke the Spirit of Slumber! Holy Spirit teach me how I should pray for all my concerns. I receive it, in the Name of Jesus. AMEN! HALLELUJAH
  • Earl Bowman - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Brother Sonny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Most people are taught by the traditions of man, very few study themselves and let the Spirit reveal the truth to them.

    Romans 8:20 For the CREATURE (CREATION) was made SUBJECT TO VANITY (evil), not WILLINGLY, but by REASON of him who hath SUBJECTED the same (creation) in HOPE. (Becoming ONE with their CREATOR).

    Ponder on the tree of KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

    That knowledge exist TOGETHER, you can't have the KNOWLEDGE of good without also having the KNOWLEDGE of evil.

    After partaking of this KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, God said, behold they (creation) have become like one of us to KNOW good and evil.

    This KNOWLEDGE is necessary to become LIKE GOD.

    John 17:21 That they (creation) ALL may BE ONE; as thou Father, art ONE IN ME, and I IN THEE, that thou also may be ONE IN US: that the world MAY BELIEVE that thou has SENT ME.

    Colossians 1:27 ... this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU.....

    Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4) proceeded lighting, and thunder and voices: BURNING ( Isaiah 4:4) before the throne (you are the throne of CHRIST)( Revelation 20:4), which (lighting, thunder, voices) ARE the SEVEN Spirits of God (now in you).

    Isaiah 11:2 And the (first is the) SPIRIT of the LORD (Father) shall rest upon him (Christ (in you)), the (second) spirit of WISDOM, and (the third spirit of) UNDERSTANDING, the (forth) spirit of COUNSEL and (the fifth spirit of) MIGHT, the (sixth) spirit of KNOWLEDGE and (the seventh spirit) of the FEAR of the Lord.

    When we no longer have to SUFFER IN THE FLESH we will BE ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SON.
  • Sonny on Genesis 3
    I still do not understand, if creation was do perfect and the world newly created and all was godly, just where exactly did evil come from?

    Since it was newly created and there was no other place mentioned again so seems like there was an error in some form, and then from the research I've done, a serpent was also referred to as an elder, and in more research there's a discussion of other forms of life, which other religions such as in India.

    The serpent races are recorded thru history as are the ocean going mermen and merwomen which a race was discovered by Jaque Cousteau son a few years back on digital camera actually coming up and peering in the the underwater sub as well as three remains found in California on the beach.

    I believe whatever exists living is created by God. If there are aliens it's just something else created by God.

    When it comes to creation there's alot of gaps in time, books added, books removed, politics.

    Example, Romans crucified Christ, the Sadducees and Pharisees were the ruling religious political parties of the times, I'd suggest they wanted Christ out of the way more then the Romans.
  • Rod - in Reply on Genesis 3
    I would suggest that you start in the new testament, starting with the four gospels, as this is the ministry of Jesus, and the salvation of the cross, as Jesus says in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil". in other words fulfilling of the old testament and its laws and prophecy, and starting from the book of Acts to up to Revelations is the spreading of his gospel, But wherever you decide to start may God bless you on that journey.
  • Lane - in Reply on Genesis 3
    any place is a great place to start reading God's word
  • Dianne - in Reply on Genesis 3
    Larry Who or what was the serpent in eden, that is a description of operation of our adversary the devil. Here are some other scripture references, Revelation 12:9 notice called the devil, satan that old serpent also 1 Peter 5: Be sober be vigilant for your adversary the devil as a roaring lion walketh about seeking whom he may devour notice in two verses we have 5 different descriptions devil satan serpent adversary roaring lion, these are different descriptions in Gods Word of His methods of operation and there's more. So your question is not a cut and dry answer.

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