Genesis Chapter 3 Discussion Page 25

Hello Amanda and Word John 8 44 is not talking about that these Jews were begotten by Satan. Jesus was saying that they lie like Satan. He is the father of lies, therefore when you lie you are like Satan s children. How many people have lied over the years? I will give you an example. People lie to their children at least once a year. The lie they tell is about Santa Claus. There is no Santa Claus, but people tell this lie none the same. Are all of these people begotten of Satan? When you look back at the creation it does not say that none of Cain s descendants survived the flood. Only 8 people were saved in the Ark. When you run the lineage of Noah he did not come from Cain.

Hello Amanda and Word According to the scriptures angels do not marry. Mark 12 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage but are as the angels which are in heaven . What I have read in the scriptures angels that have fallen are being held in hell in chains of darkness until judgment. 2 Peter 2 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment . Jude 1 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day . The angels that fell were sent to hell waiting judgment. It does not say that they had their way with any women.

Amanda We know that the spiritual body and it 's makeup is like ours except a little bit better puddy. The Israelites ate manna which is angels food. You read in chapter 6 where the sons of God which had left their first estate in the book of Jude meaning left heaven to earth anyway these fallen angels took woman as play things and had gebar children trying to destroy God 's plan of Salvation and that is the first influx half human and half spiritual bodies, giants on earth. There are 3 influxes of angels fallen to earth in the scriptures. Anyway to see who their father was read John 8 vs 44 and around their where Jesus was speaking to kenites meaning sons of Cain telling them they are of the first murderer.

it was just a beautiful angel but rotten to the core. Not a snake, not a lizard, the tree of good that went evil. It 's just names of that old serpent the devil Satan Revelation 12 which is the outline of the Bible.

Guy, John 3 16 is what you need to know. We are sinners by nature. Christ died for us to pay the price of sin. Accept his free gift of salvation for your sins by admitting you 're a sinner and asking him to save you. If you 're sincere, he will enter your heart. No baptism is required although it 's recommended by Jesus himself. Also, you won 't wake up perfect. You repent of sins and try to diligently walk in the Lords ways. When you fail, he will forgive. It 's a matter of your heart and your intentions.

Amanda Google search the Companion bible appendixes and read appendix 19 and it will tell you that it is just symbolism and the usage of the word. It means the shining one and shows you scripture to help you understand the Bible more.

Hello Guy Larkin I am going to use your words to answer you. No, just believing that Jesus Christ is the son of God and I am going to add the following statement Or that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh, is not going to save you alone. It is a step in the right direction. However, the devils believe that there is one God and tremble, James 2 19 Thou believest that there is one God thou doest well the devils also believe, and tremble. Faith without works is dead. A person can believe all they want but if they do not follow Acts 2 38 they will be lost. The sinner s prayer, Lord come into my heart , that everyone is saying now and believe that they are automatically saved without following Acts 2 38 is not enough. You have to follow Acts 2 38. This is a promise for everyone not just the Jews. God is still filling people with his gift. Everyone needs this to get out of here or else they are not going up when the rapture takes place. I did not write this it was writing before I was born. However, I have experienced this promise. I have seen others experience this promise. I have read where both Jew and Gentile in the Bible have experienced this promise.

Chatauna, can one be saved by God 's grace through simply believing on Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died bearing their sins judgment upon the cross and resurrected on the third day for their justification?

Hello Amanda I would say it was more like a snake than a lizard. They are two different species. Some scholars say that Satan used the body of a snake that walked upright. Because the serpent allowed Satan to use him, God cursed the serpent to go on his belly and eat dust all the days of its life, Genesis 3 14. Some scholars say that Satan was a beautiful angel and when Michael kicked him out of heaven unto the Earth, God changed his appearance to that of a serpent. Either way I believe that the serpent was more like a snake than a lizard. Several different Hebrew words that are translated as serpent or snake are used in the Pentateuch. The most common term is nahash, used in Genesis 3 1, 2, 3, 13, 14 Genesis 49 17 Exodus 4 3, 7 15 and Numbers 21 7,9. It is found at least 30 times in the Old Testament, and means to make a hissing sound, as well as a venomous reptile with deadly fangs CANA . Now whether this name Serpent, for Satan, means his actual appearance I do not know, because he is also called great Dragon Revelation 12 9 .

Is it safe to that the serpent was a lizard, has leg and can erect up

Part 3 of 3 If a thief today does not repent and change his wicked ways and does not follow Acts 2 38 and he dies still in the sin of thievery he is not going to heaven. Deuteronomy 25 16 For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. In the scriptures you will further find more things that God hat. 1 Corinthians 6 9 10 Know ye not that unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. These are just a few of many sins and things that God does not like.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Terry In one of my many post, I stated that whether or not Eve received her instructions from God himself or from Adam she still did not obey God s word. She disobeyed and with that she gave her husband to eat of that tree then the curses fell.

Insight777, Eden was one particular place, Gen. 22, and 23 say, God them away and placed Cherubims, and flaming swords at the east of Garden of Eden, to keep them away. Chatauna, God did not put Adam in charge of teaching Eve the Word of God, they both communed with Him. Chatauna, so did Jesus lie when He to the thief on the cross "today, you will be with me in Paradise ", there is no evidence that the thief spoke in tongues while he was on the cross. "god s with a small g means judge. when the serpent said "you will be like gods ", he meant that they will know good from evil, because judges judge and supposedly know between good, and evil.

I think the reference to "gods " in Gen 3 5 means Satan and his cohorts, fallen angells.

Part 1 of 4 Hello Insight777 Yes, I asked if you are saved. When a person is truly saved that person just take things on faith. If it is written, it is so. If you think I am judging anyone then you are mistaken. I am merely stating the word of God. Hebrews 9 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment This scripture comes out of the same epistle in which you are quoting. The gauntlet is thrown down. People either get saved under this dispensation following Acts 2 38 or they are lost except I believe the innocence of children under the age of accountability and the unborn . There is no way around this. We can debate all day, but the truth still remains the truth.

Chatauna, you asked if I am saved. Does Jesus lie? Jesus said, I DO NOT JUDGE but if I did it would be the will of my father, GOD. John 8.15 Ye judge after the flesh I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Jesus is saying he does not make the decisions as to who is saved and who is not saved. Only on Judgement day will God make those decisions and Jesus will carry out the verdict given to him by God. God makes the decisions and gives the orders to Jesus. So Jesus is saying to everyone, I judge no man. Even the disciples that he loved will be judged by God in the future at a date unknown by Jesus and their salvation fate is in Gods hands not his. I refuse to glorify myself above Jesus and say that I am saved. If Jesus does not know my fate how can I? Psalms 7.11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. Hebrews 12.23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 2 Timothy 4.1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the deadat his appearing and his kingdom When we meet on Judgement Day we will ALL be told if we are saved or not. May Gods mercy be on us.

Part 2 of 2 Insight 777 let me ask this, Are you saved? Have you followed Acts 2 38? See I know that Eden is real. I have been filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the spirit of God give utterance. I am not bragging because it is not of my goodness that God filled me, but it is because of God s goodness, mercy, and grace that I live in Christ Jesus. The Bible is truth. John 17 17 Sanctify them through thy truth thy word is truth . This statement is not saying that only a portion of the word is true. This statement is saying that the whole word of God is truth. I believe the whole Bible not just a portion of it or a part of it that suits me. I believe the whole thing.

Part 1 of 2 Hello Insight 777 Eden is a place all by itself. If Earth was Eden then why hasn t anyone found the tree of life? If someone found the tree of life then there would be no death or sickness. When Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden where did they go? Is Earth a place of peace? We have wars and rumor of wars, murders, thieves, crime upon the innocent the list goes on and on. Also in regard to Paul speaking about his encounter it still talks about paradise and is spoken of in Revelation 2 7 where the tree of life is then it speaks about the tree of life again in Revelation 22 2. Then in Isaiah 42 5 Thus saith God the LORD he that created the heavens, and stretched them out he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein?

One more thing, Insight 777, Psalms 34, if I can say it like this, they blessed who, trust in God, Psalms 34 7 "The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them ". I would like to think that there are angels nereby me along with Jesus Christ spirit on the inside of me as well as in his eyes is in every place looking at everything.

EDEN is EARTH, all of it. All of earth was made for mankind, Adam and Eve. Eden is not just one spot where they were not allowed anywhere else as if they were in a prison. Is earth hidden from view? The GARDEN of Eden was earth at peace. Now earth still exists but all over the earth there is evil so it is no longer a garden, a restful beautiful place at peace. It is now just land where man toils and fights over rights of ownership and resources.

EDEN is EARTH, all of it. All of earth was made for mankind, Adam and Eve. Eden is not just one spot where they were not allowed anywhere else as if they were in a prison. Is earth hidden from view? The GARDEN of Eden was earth at peace. Now earth still exists but all over the earth there is evil so it is no longer a garden, a restful beautiful place at peace. It is now just land where man toils and fights over rights of ownership and resources.

Reading 2 Corinthians chapter 12 it shows that Paul is talking about an experience that a man told Paul about 14 years earlier. Paul makes the point that the man was glorifing himself while claiming these new revelations that are not backed by any other apostles actual teachings. He could not tell if this man was in the body, of christ, or not meaning he was not sure these were accurate words of God and stated only God knows. Paul passed along the information but did not glorify himself while telling people about it because he had his doubts if it was true or not. He did not want to be a fool if the story the man told was false. This was an incredible claim the man had made above the measure of the abundance of revelations that Paul knew were true. It did not fit to the teachings of Jesus. Verse 12 shows that followers of Jesus had been shown signs and Paul was aware of that. So he did glorify the man by putting his claim in scripture and telling people about it. He did not want to be the judge if this new information was right or wrong lest he be judged infirm in the truth. Since Paul had his doubts so do I. The lesson is listen and accept only if the new revelations fit the whole body of the teachings of Jesus, the true words of God. People that want to glorify themselves instead of God are probably not telling the truth.

In addition to my 3 part comment, the whole conversation started with you doubting the existence of Eden. You stated that you cannot even see it from space, However, even from space there is no area seen on earth unoccupied by man, full of trees and animals, that is surrounded by cherubims with flaming swords. It is my belief that Eden symbolically represents the Earth at Peace. Man, sinning by turning away from God, began to tell lies, placing blame where it did not belong . So I was merely informing you that God can hide anything from anybody he wants. There is a realm in which man cannot see unless God wants him to. So either Eden is here on Earth or in a heavenly realm it still is invisible to the naked eye of man, unless God wants him to see it. However, its existence is very real because the Bible says so. Through faith I believe in what the word says. If it were not so then God would not have allowed Moses to write about it.

Part 3 of 3 Let s talk about Eden. I stated even if you say that Eden is still here on Earth God can hide anything from man s eyes. If God wanted us to find Eden, with all the technology we have today I am quite sure we would see it. However, sense we cannot see it then God does not want it or that angel to be found. The reason why I stated that Eden and the Tree of Life was in heaven was because the tree of life was in the midst of Eden guarded by the Cherubims, Genesis 3 24 So he drove out the man and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life . The same tree that is spoken of here is spoken of in Revelation 22 2. Now this is after God has destroyed this heaven and this earth and brought down a new heaven and a new earth. So tell me where did I make up something? Is this not in the Bible? I did not fantasy this?

Part 2 of 3 Man has been in outer space. Man has travelled to the Moon. Have anyone reported that they see Heaven and the angels? Those people that say that they have seen Angels, they only saw them because they were permitted to see them and know who they are. Satan is a spirit. He walks to and fro, Job 1 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it . Have you seen a physical form of Satan? He is in that place, or realm in which we do not see unless God allows it.

Part 1 of 3 Hello Insight 777, The reason why I chose the word realm is because a realm is a region, sphere, area. There is an area in which we do not see unless God allows it. There are at least three heavens, 2 Corinthians 12 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, whether in the body, I cannot tell or whether out of the body, I cannot tell God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven . There are creatures that exist right now that we do not see. They are in Heaven flying around day and night praising the Lord. Revelation 4 8 read it . There are angles that go back and forth up on the Earth we do not see them unless God allows it, Genesis 28 12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it . These things exist. Angels walk amongst us we do not know it unless God allows them to reveal themselves, Hebrews 13 2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers for thereby some have entertained angels unawares . So tell me Insight 777, have I created a fantasy? This is what the Bible states. I did not make this up.

Hello Chatauna, with due respect of your zeal for scripture I still must comment that you are not explaining scripture logically. If Eden is hidden from sight in a mystery realm where man can never see it then WHY did God place cherubims with flaming swords around it to protect it? If man can never see it and it is now in heaven with God and the angels then it is not necessary to protect it with a threat of destruction by cherubims if it is entered. Being hidden in heaven would be enough protection. Besides God said Eden was on Earth and did NOT say that it would be removed from earth or removed from sight and placed in a different realm. The hidden mystery realm of Eden you speak of is just your imagination because it is not stated so in the Bible. You are creating magical fantasy to make your erroneous beliefs fit scripture. The realm where God resides is spiritual and can not be seen. Gods message in Genesis chapter 3 is Eden is on Earth and needs to be protected. Understanding parables must not conflict with the information given in the Bible.

Hello Arlin Farriester You are absolutely correct. Jesus Christ is the tree of life. However, in the Garden of Eden there was literally a tree of life that bared fruit to eat. Out of the mouth of two or three a witness is established. We find here in Genesis that Moses wrote about the tree of Life. Then we find in Revelation 22 2 that it talks about that same tree of life. Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. He is the foundation in which to build on. He is God all by himself there is no other God besides him. He is our life s blood. We are born again through the following of Acts 2 38. He is that tree that those who take on the name of Jesus Christ through Acts 2 38 become branches of that tree.

Part 3 of 3 Even if you wanted to say that Eden was still somewhere on this earth, God can hide anything he wants in a realm in which we have no sight or access to. Jesus Christ himself was in the midst of a mob and walked right past them, Luke 4 28 thru 30 John 8 59 John 10 39. So remember we are dealing with God, he is Omnipotent all powerful being. He can move mountains, destroy cities, heal the sick, raise the dead, save a people, He can definitely hide EDEN. Remember Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh.

Part 2 of 3 Summing up the story The city of Tyre Tyrus was a thriving Phoenician city in ancient times, a source of economic abundance and trading. God pronounced judgment upon the city of Tyre. The surviving inhabitants after Babylon s invasion moved all their possessions and families to a little isle just off of Tyre. They thought they d be safe on their little island. However, according to historians Alexander the Great about 250 years after Babylon destroyed Tyrus, he finished it off like the scriptures stated in Ezekiel 26 3 thru 5. Tyrus had become evil and vain. They thought of themselves as Gods. Because of these God destroyed them. The reason why Eden is mentioned here in the scriptures is because the writer was trying to give the reader a picture of just how beautiful the city of Tyrus was. God was letting them know, if I can say it like this, Hey you guys are just as beautiful as the Garden of Eden. Some of the same stones that Eden has you all have, and yet you all are not satisfied, now you think of yourself as a God, but you are not. You are just men . If you read the whole chapter and then read in Revelation this Eden that is spoken of here in Ezekiel is the same in Revelation Chapter 21 and this is in heaven. These same scripture have a prophetic connotation to them concerning Israel.