Genesis Chapter 14 Discussion

  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Just to give a Scripture to the accurate definition that GiGi gave you. You can read this Name in Isaiah 14:13,14: "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (el): I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High (ely-own)". He is indeed "the most High God", otherwise translated, 'the strongest Strong One'.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Hello Ann.

    El Elyon is Hebrew for God Most High. An awesome name that sets the true God above any other in heaven or earth or hell. He is Most High because He is the only One that deserves our praises and is alone as deity.
  • Ann Pittman on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    What or who is El Elyon.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Melchizedek isn't mentioned anywhere else except for Hebrews and Psalm 110 outside of Genesis. The geneology is not something which is of significance outside the lineage of Christ and Jewish descendants in the Scriptures. It would be interesting to see if any secular sources or writings of other religions have any information. To deliberately leave this a mystery in a way points to the Son of Man who truly was from God rather than any man in His origin.

    If we look at the true history and traditions of nations; we see stories which indicate an original concept of one God greater than all others; followed by polytheistic idol worship later. The primary example in Asia was the Hindu faith coming from India and crossing into China; later morphing into the Buddhist and other sects. The focus of the Old Testament was on the law; and God's chosen nation but we need to keep in mind many were called out of their lands of origin (such as Abraham from Ur of the Chaldees). Gentiles however were allowed to align themselves with the God of the Jews if they wished to worship with them. There was a long period before the law was established; and times when it was virtually ignored where God would work with other nations; particularly when God's people were exiled as was promised previously to be a "little sanctuary". The bread and wine certainly is a foreshadowing of Christ Himself; who was King of the Jews; but also came to save others as Isaiah promised to be a "light unto the gentiles". It is interesting that no animal sacrifices are mentioned with Melchizedek although it doesn't seem certain through omission if that actually occurred. Clearly God can work through who He will; and now as Gentiles we are "grafted in" to a better means and no further sacrifice is needed as Christ as Melchizedek ever intercedes for us.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago

    Melchizedek priesthood purpose is to give us a model of Christ priesthood. superior to the Levitical priesthood. "Everlasting"

    Please see Hebrews 7:1-17.

    God bless.
  • Mishael - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    You need to use the Search Box on this website, to find all scriptures on that name.

    Then Google search:

    Melchizedek, history

    Or teaching
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    There is: Psalms 110:4, Hebrews 5:6, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Why is there not more about melchizedek on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    why is there not more about melchizedek
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago

    Scripture does not tell us.

    Perhaps He was moved with compassion at knowing the deep grief of those who loved Lazarus

    Maybe, as Rick, proposes, He was grieved by the unbelief of those involved in this happening.

    These are just some ideas, but as I said, Scripture does not tell us why Jesus wept. It just said that He did weep when at the tomb of Lazarus.
  • Rick - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Joseph McClosky This is one of the greatest records displaying the unbelief Jesus Christ still was dealing

    with even with His disciples and those that knew him well. The record starts Chapter 11:2 where mary Gets word

    to Jesus that was sick.

    First word out of Jesus mouth this sickness is not unto death but for the Glory of God.

    Now at this time in his ministry setting foot back in judea they could be killed. the number of negatives Jesus

    is hit with between verse 8and39 is 9 he's accused of causing that he died he's accused of the disciples going

    with him to die, mary lied to her sister saying the master called for her never did.

    All of Lazarus friends were there

    crying for him he was very well known and respected verse 8 jesus wept in Himself because of the unbelief. He knew

    was Going to raise him up because he said it in verse 4. Then look at verse 42 i know that thou hearest me always

    but because of the people I said it that they may believe. This is why he wept fighting unbelief.

    to raise him because he said that in verse 4
  • Joseph McClosky on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    Why did Jesus weep for Lazarus?
  • GiGi on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    God's blessings to all here on this site.

    I have read all of the comments of this section and have a few thoughts. First, Abraham called Lot his "brother". Perhaps Abraham thought that Lot represented his brother, Haran, since Haran had died. Why his brother, Nahor, did not come with Abraham, it is not known. However, it is Nahor's descendants that Isaac and Jacob go to to secure wives. So, God had a reason for Nahor to stay in Haran, perhaps to take care of Terah or his mother and also to separate the gene pool a bit from Abraham. Abraham had a strong sense of duty to take care of Lot, it seems. I think that Lot worshipped the same God that Abraham did, since in later text, it says that Lot was vexed by the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah. Perhaps he was a preacher of righteousness also.

    Secondly, Abraham was satisfied to have his family once again reunited. he was well blessed and really didn't have any need of the spoils. He was content with what God had given him already. Also, he may not have desired the spoils of war. He seemed like a man of peace. It seems that Abraham and the Amorites he lived with had good relations with the people of Sodom and Gomorrah at this time. Thence the meeting with Melchizedeck included these kings and representatives of the tribes that were allies. Being the "outsider" in the land, I think Abraham was accepted because he was peaceful and did not wish to take from those around him in an un-towards way. He probably kept to himself in most matters, but was willing to be helpful, to neighbors when needed, even if they worshipped idols. We are instructed to live godly lives in this wicked generation, overflowing with brotherly love and concern for others, just as Abraham did. it is not known if there were many true worshippers of God on Canaan at this time, but Melchizedeck was, and was respected. I pray that this would be true of us, too, especially when we are outnumbered by unbelievers around us.
  • Shanelle on Genesis 14 - 2 years ago
    They tried to worship the most high god, which created the heavens and the earth which created us out of all images, And it came to pass that abram was one of the servants of the most high god. God has blessed abram all ready but he was not done yet.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    Nice job brother Carleton. Putting all those Scriptures together. God Bless.
  • Carleton God the Son- final Part 4 inspired by brethren in the order of these ve - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    "Know ye not are not your own? For ye are bought with a price" 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

    "We love him, because he first loved us" 1 John 4:19

    "That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life" Luke 1:74-75

    "If ye love me , keep my commandments" John 14:15

    "If a man love me, he will keep my words" John 14:23

    "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46

    "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven" Matthew 1032-33

    "This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in a like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven" Acts 1:11

    "And then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" Matthew 24:30

    "And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory" Luke 21:27

    "And before him shall be gathered all nations" Matthew 25:32
  • Carleton More inspired God the Son scriptures by a few of my brethren Part 3 - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even we also should walk in newness of life. For if we had been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 64-11

    "he ever liveth to make intercession for us" Hebrews 7:25

    "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" 1 John 2:1

    "No man hath seen the God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" John 1:18

    "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world" Matthew 13:35

    "In my Father's house are many mansions.... I go to prepare a place for you" John 14:2

    "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good" Acts 10:38

    "Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps" 1 Peter 2:21

    "For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you" John 13:15

    "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" Philippians 2:9-11

    "I am a debtor" Romans 1:14
  • Carleton Jesus is the Son of God a few more scripture refrences Part 2 - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    "took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" Philippians 2:7

    "his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh" Romans 8:3

    "The first man Adam is of the earth, earthy: the second man Jesus is the Lord from heaven" 1 Corinthians 15:47

    "He can not deny himself" 2 Timothy 2:13

    "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever" Hebrews 13:8

    "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world: but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17

    "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acception, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15

    "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost" Luke 19:10

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12

    "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This signifying what death he should die" John 12:32-33

    John Chapter 19- whole chapter

    "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins" Ephesians 1:7

    "Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

    "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver or gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" 1 Peter 1:18-19

    "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2

    "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it" Acts 2:24

    1 Corinthians Chapter 15 whole chapter
  • Carleton Part 1 God the Son scriptures on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    "His name shall be called...The mighty God" Isaiah 9:6

    "My Lord and my God" John 20:2

    "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest" Luke 1:32

    "that Holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

    "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16

    "And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God" John 1:34

    "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" Matthew 3:17

    "God sent his only begotten Son into the world" 1 John 4:9

    "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matthew 16:16

    "The Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world" 1 John 4:14

    "And thou shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins" Matthew 1:21

    "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20

    "But when the fulness of the time was to come, God sent his Son" Galatians 4:4

    "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" Isaiah 7:14

    "Behold, thou shall conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name JESUS" Luke 1:31

    "Then said Mary to the Angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Luke 1:34

    "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" Luke 1:35

    " Thou son of David, fear not to take Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 1:20

    "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1:14

    "I am the bread of life....This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from Heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world" John 6:48-51
  • BSP on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    Verse 12-Lot may have moved to Sodom because it was a prosperous place materially. He faced the threat of losing all his good here. We want to make sure that we choose to put spiritual things ahead of material things.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    Without dispute, the line of Shem is the one that is constantly referred to in the Bible. Shem was the middle brother, with Japheth being the eldest & Ham, the youngest of Noah's sons. It was through Shem's descendants that Abraham came & from Abraham, the branch of the Hebrews (later Israelites & Israel) & of the Ishmaelites (later Muslims) split. You can see Shem's line in Luke 3:23-38 which leads to our Saviour, Jesus Christ.

    And of course, this line of Shem is most "talked about" since God had called this line of people to be His very own, setting His Love upon them ( Deuteronomy 7:6-8) & through which He would one day bring forth His Son to be the one & only Sacrifice as payment for mankind's sins.
  • Marion jackson on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    Which line of descendants from Noah is the most fully described or talked about why
  • Pam Chatman on Genesis 14 - 3 years ago
    Melchezdec is God appearing with bread and wind representations of the coming of Jesus, the Baptizing of Believers, the shedding of Jesus's blood. The unyielding of man's dependency on GOD, The demonstration of GOD being everything we need (in war, trouble, time of peace and times of food needed for our health and our Everything} No matter what may come or go GOD is our answer in Prayer. Abram respected GOD to the Highest. He has manifested HIMSELF many times directing man to his awesome Powers and Protections. We serve the most High GOD, there is no one before HIM, no one beside HIM no one with HIM, HE is GOD all by HIMSELF. HE can be whatever HE wants to be when HE wants to.
  • Comfused on Genesis 14 - 4 years ago
    I'm not confused here. I don't believe in war, but in this case they started it and I think they got what was coming to them. Don't mess with my kin.
  • Stanjett on Genesis 14 - 4 years ago
    18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. This is not Jesus.
  • A disciple on Genesis 14 - 6 years ago
    Dear BG; You wrote, "You can clearly see Abram's growing dependence upon God to throughout his life. He wasn't perfect but he was learning to trust the Lord more and more." While it is so popular to take up this kind of talk, and apologizing to the ungodly for the Saints; it does not describe Abram! Genesis 6:3 Excusing one's self for failure because of the weakness of the flesh is disobedience!
  • A disciple on Genesis 14 - 6 years ago
    What a world of danger and disaster do the ungodly have to endure! Just a glimpse into the kind of world going on all around "God's Friend Abram;" in which his nephew Lot was accidentally caught up in, because he was not as keen on this life of a pilgrim like his uncle was determined to live. Abram and his 318 men chased and destroyed five Nations' armies, and delivered the captives and the spoil!
  • BG on Genesis 14 - 6 years ago
    Day 5 of the KingJamesBibleonline reading the Bible through in one year. Had to play a little "catch up" but that is ok. You can clearly see Abram's growing dependence upon God to throughout his life. He wasn't perfect but he was learning to trust the Lord more and more.
  • BSP on Genesis 14 - 6 years ago
    Verse 14: Abraham took great measures to go rescue his nephew Lot. Lot chose a dangerous place to live, but Abraham loved Lot and wanted to do all he could to save him.
  • Irene123 on Genesis 14 - 7 years ago
    To Victor on Melchisedec/Jesus - Melchisedec was a theophany of God/Jesus. Jesus is God's N.T. name, just as Jehovah was His O.T. name. I think it's Jn. 1:14 that says God was manifest in the flesh, and the angel in Lk. 2 to Mary said His name was to be Jesus.
  • Victor on Genesis 14 - 7 years ago
    ......but (!!!!) was appearance of Jesus taking place in the Old Testament???!!!

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