Genesis Chapter 12 Discussion

  • Raphael on Genesis 12
    In Genesis Ch 12 verse 7, which land did God promise to give to Abram. Was is Egypt or Canaan?
  • Miguel H on Genesis 12:10
    Sarai did not have a wife with Pharaoh because when God told Abram he will give him a child within a year Sarai had laughed at that thought because she has not beared a child up until that point. Abram was not a coward in my eyes for lying on his wife but he knew the wickedness he faced so he ended up saving his and possibly even Sarai's
  • Ben frost on Genesis 12
    Did Abram get punished by god for what lying?
  • Ron - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Ben Frost,

    It may seem that Abram lied about his wife but he did not. There was not a punishment given, as a matter of fact, Abram was given many animals and many servants. Sarai was Abrams half-sister so there was no lie;

    Genesis 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

    We must understand that at this time, at that point, the Law had not been given. The lifespan and human genetics were different than they are today. Having kids with close relatives was to repopulate the land. If we recall after the flood there were only eight people, so people married their cousins, half-sisters and many had more than one wife. All the earth at this time served strange gods and God took him out of this land

    Joshua 24:3 And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan, and multiplied his seed, and gave him Isaac.

    Back then if someone wanted the property of someone, especially a King or Pharaoh, they would merely wipe out the person and take it, because it was only the strong-will survive world, and women were considered property.

    Whether Abram did this out of fear of his life and willing to sacrifice his wife, or God instructed him and let him know it would turn out ok, it is not written. If we do the will of God, there is no guarantee we will not be harmed, for our hope is not in this world. Look at all the disciples before, many suffered greatly.

    God bless, Ron
  • BSP on Genesis 12
    Verse 7-This shows that Jehovah God takes adultery very seriously.

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  • Church on Genesis 12
    It was Ishmael
  • Lamech on Genesis 12
    I am wondering the name of son who was bared from Pharaoh and Sarai.
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 12
    One can't be certain that Pharaoh at this point did what was unseemly to Sarai (Genesis 12:19). It's only stated in verse 15, that she was taken into Pharaoh's house, which could mean that she was placed in a separate dwelling as part of his harem & being groomed to become his wife later on. But if she was brought straight to Pharaoh, the Word doesn't give any details of that encounter.
  • Lamech on Genesis 12
    Who created Egyptions,who created Pharaoh who always rule unto Abraham and his descendants till now.
  • Lamech on Genesis 12
    Lamech is a coward to give his wife to Pharaoh,so shameful.Who is that Sarai baren unto Pharaoh?
  • Chad d on Genesis 12
    Why do some Christians believe in three gods

    Father son and holy ghost?
  • Godhead Scriptures - in Reply on Genesis 12
    The Father purposes; wills

    The Son is the Word of God, speaks it

    The Holy Spirit performs the the spoken Word of God

    When we speak the Word of God over an issue or condition in our lives; according to the Known Will of God (the Bible, OT and NT); the Holy Spirit moves to accomplish it.

    All three are one; not Separated.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    1 John 5:7, John 10:30

    Acts 17:27-30

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    They speak amongst themselves.

    Write these scriptures on the inside cover of your Bible now. This subject comes up often. The scriptures are plain enough to be understood.

    Debates and arguing theologies according to varying opinions cause confusion. Acts 17 should dispel that.

  • Richard in Christ - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Hello brothers.

    As I believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One. I do not believe they are they same exact "person", or "being",as some believe. Which I really have no problem with. As I believe they are One in each other and work through each other. Here is one verse that was just shown to me. Which, to me, seems to be the Father(Ancient of Days) giving glory and dominion to Jesus Christ(Son of Man) in the Old Testament. Before Christ was born. A vision of Daniel. Daniel 7:13-14.

    God Bless.
  • Adam - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Christians don't believe in 3 separate Gods. Christians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one, because it literally says that in the Bible in 1 John 5:7 and Christians believe the Bible is the Word of God. It also is mentioned in other verses: Link
  • Abigail Ghama on Genesis 12
    Infact God told Abraham to live his country and his father's house into a place He will show him with a promise to protect him wherever he may go. So if Abam said the truth , God would have protected him. This also paved way for Sarah to give her maid to Abram to fulfill the promise of God to bless the decendants of Abram. We must be always faithful to God and he save us like He did to Joseph, but yet though if we sin, he is still with us. May God bless us all Amen
  • Veronica D Grovener on Genesis 12
    Abram lied to pharaoh about Sarai being his sister and God sent a plague on pharoah"s land was this acceptable by God that he lied?
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 12
    That's a fair comment you made, Veronica. I don't believe that Abram got away lightly over this deception as all sin is abominable to the Lord. Yet, we aren't told anymore about this matter apart from God's dealing with Pharaoh by sending plagues on him & his household. Rather this portion emphasizes God's action against Pharaoh for taking another woman, & especially, though not mentioned, one from a holy (a set apart) lineage. Maybe Pharaoh was ignorant over this & our ignorance over a possible objection by Abram & Sarai to her being taken, but his act of acquiring was sufficient to bring on God's displeasure.

    So it's difficult to give a clear opinion based on what is revealed to us. What took place before Pharaoh & God's Actions as a result of the wrongs by both Abram & Pharaoh, are things we're not privy to & best left in the 'Unknown Tray'.
  • Nelson - in Reply on Genesis 12
    1 Samuel 2:3 when you paraphrase...for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Veronica D Grovener on Genesis 12

    Abram lied to pharaoh about Sarai being his sister and God sent a plague on pharoah"s land was this acceptable by God that he lied? He did'nt lie. Sarah was his sister. Half sister. Read again. The plague had nothing to do with Abrams none lie.

  • Word 76 on Genesis 12
    The Lord God will forgive anyone in the flesh until they die if they ask from their heart and truly are sorry for the sins they have done. Now the sin for murder for gain is very serious and it's something you don't want to do and then there is the set aside ones that will Stand up when the false Messiah, antichrist comes anyway they the elect will make a stand against the false instead of Christ that the people have been deceived by because the world believed that this first Jesus with supernatural powers is God returned and are worshipping Satan in Satans deception but not the elect and when they stand the Holy Spirit speaks through them and if they refuse the Holy Spirit and don't that is the unpardonable sin. When the elect make the stand listen to what they say. Don't be deceived from Satan booted to earth and standing in Jerusalem claiming he is God.
  • Sorry Marianna, you are right, he didn't lie, he just conveniently looked at it from a different perspective to achieve an outcome without actually telling a fib. Modern humans have perfected this to an art form....Abraham is one my heros,I would never criticize him, see my comments on chapter 18.
  • Marianna on Genesis 12:3
    Abram did not lie!!

    Genesis 20:12

    And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
  • Phil on Genesis 12
    In the Wiki article about old Saint Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco, there is a panel below the bell tower clock which shows a quote, or reference, to Ecclesiastes 4:23, which says: "Son, observe the time and fly from evil". I have looked online at the book of Ecclesiastes and the last verse in chapter 4 appears to be 17. Can someone help me solve this mystery? Thank you
  • Chris - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Phil, I had to do a little research on that. The best I could come up with is that the verse you've given is found in the Sirach chapter 4 in the Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA).

    However, this Book Sirach has also been identified with the Apocryphal Book, Ecclesiasticus, the Wisdom of Sirach. But when I looked for this verse in Ecclesiasticus, there was nothing, so my guess that the verse in question only appears in certain 'publications' (e.g. Douay-Rheims) & those that the RCs subscribe to.
  • Phil - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Hi Chris - Really appreciate your response. If I'd only clicked on the link below the photo in the Wiki article in the first place, it would have led me to the source. It appears the passage in question originates from the 1609 old testament translation of the Latin Vulgate into English by scholars at the Catholic Seminary English College in Douai, France. The Latin Vulgate version was commissioned by Pope Damasus in 382 and a direct translation from the Hebrew Tanakh. Thus, the book of Ecclesiasticus from which the Saint Mary Cathedral quote sprang is much closer to the text in the Hebrew bible. If one compares the King James version of the bible with the Douay-Rheims edition, it can be quite revelatory. Again, thank you for your informative reply.
  • THREE PLAGUES in the BIBLE from ASIA on Genesis 12
    Revelation 16:12

    The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the EAST.

    Revelation 9:16-18

    The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. By these THREE PLAGUES, A THIRD OF MANKIND IS KILLED by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths.

    Matthew 24:14

    And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    Isaiah 49:12

    Behold, these shall come from AFAR, and behold, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of Syene."

    China gave us Swine FLU. SARS virus, Corona virus. I got a feeling that corona virus isn't done killing yet.

    Google Past Pandemic LIST

    It will have World death totals by country.

    I don't think we need to act like this is just like past FLU episodes. We get a flu shot and feel protected for another year. Corona virus doesn't act like past flu's.

    I didn't know there were any scriptures of China in the Bible. I looked it up as a lark.

    It would be helpful if Bible scholars in here would look up the ancient names of those scriptures mention of places in China. What are their names now?
  • Mike Baity - in Reply on Genesis 12
    What are the gifts of the Holy Spirit?
  • Mishael - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Those are found in 1 Corinthians 12

    1 Corinthians 13, 1 Corinthians 14. They are given to us by the Holy Spirit. (You can open those links)

    We are to covet the best gifts; but for me I think the Holy Spirit should choose.

    I'm sure you can google how the gifts have operated in some people's lives. We can learn how the gifts operate through Jesus, in our Bible. I personally think that spiritual discernment is most helpful.
  • Mike - in Reply on Genesis 12
    Thanks for your reply...God Bless

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