John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Would this be a declaration of Jesus' pre-incarnate Being in Heaven & then sent forth to the Earth as God's only begotten Son in the flesh?
But to find the words: 'Jesus born in Bethlehem was first with God in Heaven' isn't given except the Scriptures I've given earlier. So are you saying that the Jesus on Earth was never the Word of God in Heaven simply because there's no word-for-word depiction of this Truth? Or maybe, I've misunderstood you altogether.
If you have a verse that proves Jesus Born in Bethlehem was in heaven before then you have a valid point , but He must have flesh or you are taking about another Jesus that is identified by Name born in Bethlehem. Show a identity using the name Jesus or you have some other form of Christ .
The true Christ is come in the flesh not some spiritualized Christ . 1 John chapter 4 1,2,3,4
Jesus was indeed born in Bethlehem, but He was always an intrinsic part of the Eternal Godhead, along with God's Spirit. Jesus was not known as Jesus pre-incarnation - He was God's Word ( John 1:1-14 & 1 John 5:7) becoming a man for our sakes.
Scriptures of the GodheadFatherSonHoly Spirit - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
Acts 17
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
1 John 5:7.
John 10:30, I and My Father are one.
My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together about Him.
Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.
NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE, ARE NOT used. Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, 'Three.'
If we used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it come up with No scriptures for Triune and Trinity. In the King James Bible the scriptures are what your search will fetch.
I believe it was Mishael that I saw put his thought of who "us" and "our" is. As I agree. I believe this would pertain to the Father, the Word(who became flesh and dwelt among us or Jesus Christ), and the Holy Ghost. As you have God(the Father) creating the Heaven and Earth in Genesis 1:1. Then the Holy Spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2. Then God spake all things into existence with his Word through the rest of Genesis 1.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." The "Godhead".
Jayden Fulkerson Home Bible Study Teacher - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
Jesus and God are the same person. The discussion in Genesis 1:26 is God (or Jesus) talking to himself. To better understand read the next verse ( Genesis 1:27) Hopefully that makes since.
I heard some one talk about this a while ago you need to go to the original language , it's not as it seems in English .
Also you can not read into the scriptures something it's not saying . Often when scriptures are silent or vague it's because it's not really essential to know . Forcing the word to say something it's clearly not is called reading into the scriptures and it's sinful to do that because then it would be adding to the word of God . Revelation warns about adding and taking away from the word .
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
I've been trying to find "We created you in our own image" in the Bible but have had no luck! A friend and I have been discussing this. We think that it is somewhere in Genesis. I believe that the 'We' is Jesus and the Lord or God. Help please!
Why the Potter used Dust to Make Us - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 3 years ago
God used dust to create Adam. With Eve he took a rib from Adam. People have proven that dust contains all colors in the spectrum. We have to accept that nothing is written about why the dust separated itself into groups based on the colors they are.
When (in Genesis) God have Adam orders as what he was to do: he gave Adam dominion over Everything on earth EXCEPT dominion over other humankind.
People do not have dominion for any reason, over other people. Be it because of color, rich and poor, smart or humble, etc. God wanted diversity in all of His creation. Can the clay demand of the Potter: why have you made me thus so?
Sin entered into mankind because of Adam and Eve. The descendants separated people based on diversities; and misery entered in. Skip forward to Nimrod who hated God and desired a tower so He could shoot arrows at Him.
The Godhead decides to confuse people's language from one to many. The people moved away and built cities where they could speak and understand their own language. But, we are still carrying sin with us.
In the process of time, rulers again separate people according to their Status. The DUST separates itself into Colors. Again, it's the curse of sin that did this. The colors separated into their own kingdoms. History and archaeology show that people dispersed all over earth to have their own kingdoms, languages and cultures. Sin went with us from the garden of Eden until even now.
Jesus came to earth so that we could all be ONE in Him. We have to be born again in order to experience that Oneness. God doesn't see us in our man made diversities. He sees saved and unsaved.
All this pain we feel every day will be over; when the Kingdom of God comes down to earth. We need to trust the Creator that He knows where we're all going. We will live in His Perfect Will, as it was always intended. No more tears or sorrow. No sin; just JOY. Every day.
There is something missing from our creation discourses which ,in my belief, has not adequately been taught. And it is the question of why so many races and colors of people today. Where did it all come from ? How why where originate ? I think I know though.
REVELATION 20:4 ... and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded (by truth, sword of God)... There is sin in deception (flesh) and no sin in truth (Spirit). Galatians 2:20 I (the flesh) am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live (but am dead); yet not I (because I am dead), but Christ (Spirit of God) liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh (which is dead) I live by the faith (not my faith because I am dead) of the Son of God (Spirit). Colossians 3:3-4 For ye are dead (can the dead sin), and your life is (become the life of the Spirit) hid with Christ in God. (vs) 4 When Christ (in Spirit, in truth), who is our life (Spirit) shall appear (be revealed), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (God). Ephesians 1:22-23 And (the Father) hath put ALL things under his feet, and gave him to be head (because we have been beheaded) over ALL things to the church (your body), (vs) 23 Which is his body (because you are dead), the fullness of him (the Spirit of God) that filleth ALL IN ALL. Colossians 1:18 And he is the head (because you have been beheaded by the sword of God, truth) of the body, the church, the firstborn from the dead (but you were resurrected with him into life)..... Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you (because the carnal head is dead, beheaded by the sword of God, truth) which was also in Christ Jesus (now the new head).......
It may be that the book of Genesis is discussed every day on this web site is because people care about and are curious of the topics that are covered.
The first mention of the Messiah (Jesus, our Lord and Savior) is in Genesis 3:15, and contains the main reason why He was sent; to defeat death which is the Devil.
God did write a book explaining creation, it can be found in Genesis. It is our choice to believe it or not. What I can say for certain is that the Bible is not at odds with Archaeology. Nor is the Bible at odds with science; those issues are left for man, and usually come up between believers and non-believers. The book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole, reinforces Archaeology as well as all the rules of science.
There is no problem to anybody if YOU want to wait until you get to heaven to find out the things you are less interested in concerning Scripture. But why should you care if someone wants to talk about creation?
If the main topic you are concerned with is being born again, that topic is also discussed every day on this web site without any issue.
It seems as though a few of the "regulars" on this site feel the need to monitor and police the various comments; and then offer their righteous evaluation of other peoples' misinterpretations.
We all have a right to comment without condemnation....
Many believe that the light that was upon the earth for the first three days of God's creative work was the light of God Himself. As the sun, moon, and stars, were not created by God until the fourth day.
I mean no offense. In both of these comment rooms past history, are close to 200 pages that are able to be read by everybody.
Genesis has been discussed almost every day. Plenty of good reading available!!!
There are some scriptures that can be interpreted as Pre-Adamic. I think personally, that if The Godhead wanted to fully reveal Bible vs Archaeology plus science; God would have written a Book in the Bible about it. He didn't. We must accept His reasons.
The Entire Bible is about Jesus Christ: Beginning to the Ending. I CAN wait till I get to heaven to attend that class on the mysteries of creation to Revelation.
What does any of that have to do with someone being born again; trusting in Jesus to save their souls And take them to heaven??
The Gospel is about the Son of God. He is known as the Son of Man. That is who we are to Follow. Clearly, God loves all the sciences! He left plenty for us to discover and investigate; find and show to others. He made ALL of this. That's what Romans 1 is all about.
We are to rest in the LOVE of the Savior of mankind: believe in him, trust in him and be born again so we can go where He is. He knows you have questions. Learn patience and you will surely get all the answers to your questions.
In my personal experience, if I have a question: I ask the Holy Spirit and He answers them. It takes RELATIONSHIP to hear His Voice. I was dum as a sheep until I got completely wrapped up in the Holy Spirit. Every day, reading my Bible, being still before His Presence; and asking a million questions.... I fall deeper in love with Him every day!!
Do we fail and disappoint the people we live with (sorta like sin?) We have to apologize immediately so we can go on to other things without grudge bearing. Relationship goes through rocks sometimes. Climb over and get to the good stuff.
Various cultures have their own 'record' of these beginnings & of natural or supernatural phenomena that took place. However, in the 'tale' you have shared here, the problem with this (apart from being something not included in the Bible, in Moses' writings), is that when God created the heavens & earth & brought in light to dissipate the darkness, He did it before he made mankind.
So if this culture you mentioned say that generations were born & died experiencing this phenomena, then the Bible would refute this account as being impossible as man did not exist at that time. But if you are of the belief that there was a separate creation of humankind prior to Adam & Eve (as some believe), then that would be speculation only without biblical or historical basis to back it up.
In the Pacific Ring cultures there is tale of mans earlier days when "The sky and the Earth were the same color, there was day and there was night but no Sunlight shown upon the Earth. (Catastrohpe results, sky was laden with dust/debris clouds for years) And a whole genration was born, lived, and died without ever seeing the sun. So the children of these past generations when one day the clouds finally began to dissipate, saw sunlight for the first time and believed they witnessed a new creation. "And God separated the heaveans from the Earth (made a firmamanet) and it was morning and it was night the first day". Make a bit more sense?
Your right, also that person can get baptized spiritually which will put in the body of Christ which is the Church.
1 Corinthians 12:13(KJV)
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
The spiritual baptism is where when someone believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross, buried, "risen again the third day according to the scriptures."
Ephesians 1:13(KJV)
"[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
Last but not least
1 Corinthians 15:1-4(KJV)
"[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4]And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
Nancy, Pray to the Lord to show you the path to the right church. You don't need to rush to the nearest one to get baptized. Many churches don't teach the word of the Bible. Pray for guidance.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Not much to explain here. God looks like us. He looks human. Image means picture or a model. Two arms, two legs and etc.
But to find the words: 'Jesus born in Bethlehem was first with God in Heaven' isn't given except the Scriptures I've given earlier. So are you saying that the Jesus on Earth was never the Word of God in Heaven simply because there's no word-for-word depiction of this Truth? Or maybe, I've misunderstood you altogether.
The true Christ is come in the flesh not some spiritualized Christ . 1 John chapter 4 1,2,3,4
Be careful you don't believe in another Christ
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
THE GODHEAD SCRIPTURES
Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7
1 John 5:7.
John 10:30, I and My Father are one.
My favorite is Malachi 3:16-17. God listens when we talk together about Him.
Also, in these following scriptures , we clearly see the Godhead ( Acts 17:27-30) speaking to each other.
NOTE: In the King James Bible, the words , TRINITY and TRIUNE, ARE NOT used. Someone who was unable to teach LET US as a lesson, used these other words to describe, 'Three.'
If we used the Search Box provided on this website you would have seen it come up with No scriptures for Triune and Trinity. In the King James Bible the scriptures are what your search will fetch.
Mishael
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." The "Godhead".
Hope this helps some. God Bless.
Also you can not read into the scriptures something it's not saying . Often when scriptures are silent or vague it's because it's not really essential to know . Forcing the word to say something it's clearly not is called reading into the scriptures and it's sinful to do that because then it would be adding to the word of God . Revelation warns about adding and taking away from the word .
Read Luke 1
Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
When (in Genesis) God have Adam orders as what he was to do: he gave Adam dominion over Everything on earth EXCEPT dominion over other humankind.
People do not have dominion for any reason, over other people. Be it because of color, rich and poor, smart or humble, etc. God wanted diversity in all of His creation. Can the clay demand of the Potter: why have you made me thus so?
Sin entered into mankind because of Adam and Eve. The descendants separated people based on diversities; and misery entered in. Skip forward to Nimrod who hated God and desired a tower so He could shoot arrows at Him.
The Godhead decides to confuse people's language from one to many. The people moved away and built cities where they could speak and understand their own language. But, we are still carrying sin with us.
In the process of time, rulers again separate people according to their Status. The DUST separates itself into Colors. Again, it's the curse of sin that did this. The colors separated into their own kingdoms. History and archaeology show that people dispersed all over earth to have their own kingdoms, languages and cultures. Sin went with us from the garden of Eden until even now.
Jesus came to earth so that we could all be ONE in Him. We have to be born again in order to experience that Oneness. God doesn't see us in our man made diversities. He sees saved and unsaved.
All this pain we feel every day will be over; when the Kingdom of God comes down to earth. We need to trust the Creator that He knows where we're all going. We will live in His Perfect Will, as it was always intended. No more tears or sorrow. No sin; just JOY. Every day.
Mishael
It may be that the book of Genesis is discussed every day on this web site is because people care about and are curious of the topics that are covered.
The first mention of the Messiah (Jesus, our Lord and Savior) is in Genesis 3:15, and contains the main reason why He was sent; to defeat death which is the Devil.
God did write a book explaining creation, it can be found in Genesis. It is our choice to believe it or not. What I can say for certain is that the Bible is not at odds with Archaeology. Nor is the Bible at odds with science; those issues are left for man, and usually come up between believers and non-believers. The book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole, reinforces Archaeology as well as all the rules of science.
There is no problem to anybody if YOU want to wait until you get to heaven to find out the things you are less interested in concerning Scripture. But why should you care if someone wants to talk about creation?
If the main topic you are concerned with is being born again, that topic is also discussed every day on this web site without any issue.
It seems as though a few of the "regulars" on this site feel the need to monitor and police the various comments; and then offer their righteous evaluation of other peoples' misinterpretations.
We all have a right to comment without condemnation....
'sorta like sin'
Interesting thoughts on the days of creation.
Many believe that the light that was upon the earth for the first three days of God's creative work was the light of God Himself. As the sun, moon, and stars, were not created by God until the fourth day.
Genesis has been discussed almost every day. Plenty of good reading available!!!
There are some scriptures that can be interpreted as Pre-Adamic. I think personally, that if The Godhead wanted to fully reveal Bible vs Archaeology plus science; God would have written a Book in the Bible about it. He didn't. We must accept His reasons.
The Entire Bible is about Jesus Christ: Beginning to the Ending. I CAN wait till I get to heaven to attend that class on the mysteries of creation to Revelation.
What does any of that have to do with someone being born again; trusting in Jesus to save their souls And take them to heaven??
The Gospel is about the Son of God. He is known as the Son of Man. That is who we are to Follow. Clearly, God loves all the sciences! He left plenty for us to discover and investigate; find and show to others. He made ALL of this. That's what Romans 1 is all about.
We are to rest in the LOVE of the Savior of mankind: believe in him, trust in him and be born again so we can go where He is. He knows you have questions. Learn patience and you will surely get all the answers to your questions.
In my personal experience, if I have a question: I ask the Holy Spirit and He answers them. It takes RELATIONSHIP to hear His Voice. I was dum as a sheep until I got completely wrapped up in the Holy Spirit. Every day, reading my Bible, being still before His Presence; and asking a million questions.... I fall deeper in love with Him every day!!
Do we fail and disappoint the people we live with (sorta like sin?) We have to apologize immediately so we can go on to other things without grudge bearing. Relationship goes through rocks sometimes. Climb over and get to the good stuff.
Mishael
So if this culture you mentioned say that generations were born & died experiencing this phenomena, then the Bible would refute this account as being impossible as man did not exist at that time. But if you are of the belief that there was a separate creation of humankind prior to Adam & Eve (as some believe), then that would be speculation only without biblical or historical basis to back it up.
1 Corinthians 12:13(KJV)
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
The spiritual baptism is where when someone believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross, buried, "risen again the third day according to the scriptures."
Ephesians 1:13(KJV)
"[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."
Last but not least
1 Corinthians 15:1-4(KJV)
"[1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4]And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
Give God the glory not me.