I would believe your testimony, however Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost, making Jesus God.
If what you say is true, then Jesus should be mocked for being a straw man. How can you fully respect someone who is a fraud, someone who was handed everything? That could have been me, or anyone God picked to play Messiah. Whatever the case, lets just get on with it till it's over.
You could be right, but Jesus said this of the end-times:
( Matthew 24:34)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors (day of the Lord).
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
( Revelation 8:13)
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
The last 3 trumpets happen close to each other for a reason, and are separated from the 1st 4 trumpets. It is more feasible to count the tribulation and great tribulation (3.5 years) equal to a 40 year generation that will not pass till these things are accomplished.
The Bible ,the actuall words of God beat everything ,im not much into speculation ,though when i do do it i always know that thats what im doing . When my faith or understanding fail me i go to the actuall Bible ,not my own imagination or daydreams or the internet ,Gods words are just like Him ,unchanging . I for one am very glad and happy to rely on them as a whole .
You mentioned the flood. According to the dates of generations listed below, the flood was about 4,369 years ago. Does this list agree with your thinking, creation...in the ball park?
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656
40 years? A Generation today is 20 years, but back then it was hundreds of years. How old was Adam and Eve when they had Seth? (And remember, they had OTHER sons and daughters AFTER Seth)...You must consider all things when considering history from a Biblical (correct) viewpoint.
Matthew 20:28. Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
JESUS COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND SHARE THE GOSPEL, AND THEY DID!
IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DIE FOR.
Today it is the least interesting topic of scripture.
John 3:14-16. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 16:30-31. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
John 12:24 . Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
John 10:1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Verses to consider when debating a viewpoint. whether it does any good to a non believer or deceived believer or perhaps a minister of satan.
1 corinthians 2:7-14. but we speak the wisdom of god in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which god ordained before the world unto our glory:
which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the lord of glory.
but as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which god hath prepared for them that love him.
but god hath revealed them unto us by his spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of god.
for what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of god knoweth no man, but the spirit of god.
(""now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of god; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of god."")
which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, ""but which the holy ghost teacheth;"" comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
( but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of god: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned ).
now sure if a person is truly saved the light of scripture will reveal certain fundamentals of the faith,
but when he's in his natural state or as the natural man you might want to set aside viewpoints and consider giving him the gospel to see where is he at with his salvation doctrine and see what's hindering his spiritual growth.
ask questions, he should be glad to tell you the hope that is within him.
and if his un regenerated heart is not deceiving him, he will certainly believe in certain fundamentals such as saved by grace alone, the virgin birth and the deity of jesus christ. ect..
the gospel that saves should be our first priority.
Jesus was born of God from the flesh of man. He never sinned. He lived on earth 33 years, in a restricted human capacity. He was resurrected into everlasting life as a God. He shed his earthly chains to sit at the right hand side of God. From caterpillar to butterfly, a human God is born.
The distinction problem stems from verses blatantly contradicting each other, negating any evidence gathered.
John 1:9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 3:19-21 (KJV) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I believe both sides of salvation is equally important, The law shows we're in dying need of a savior and Christ came to fulfill that need.
I believe we need to seriously turn our focus on Christ work on the cross.
And the true pathway to salvation.
Deception is Satans strategy,
Why do we debate about topics and try to argue it by reasoning when you may be talking to someone who's spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:13-14. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1 John 2:27.
1 Corinthians 3:6 . I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Our problem seems to be planting and watering, ( Preaching and teaching the gospel ).
We have seeds to sow, The Holyspirit will do his part.
The last paragraph is helpful, but you are still speaking a language I can't identify with. I need to understand the events I'm reading about before I can grasp the symbolism. You're speaking on the scholarly symbolic side, when I want to know your literal perspective of what happens on earth. Names and countries involved, predictions, or perhaps you haven't pondered who's who yet? The prophets saw end-time events first hand, they were 'taken in the spirit' and shown every aspect of Israel's destruction. Can you speak on how these end-time battles come about according to them? Any ideas you'd like to share?
Sister Martha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.
God predestinated before the world was, that creation (man) would be like him. God created us with this world set in our hearts (flesh).
Ecclesiastes 3:11 ....also he has set the world in their heart...
This was necessary so we could come to know everything in the same likeness as God knows (good and evil).
Being naturally born in the flesh (worldly) we start as ANTI-CHRIST, false prophets not knowing the truth of God, beast of the earth with now concept of the ways of the Spirit.
When Jesus died and was resurrected a new way of LIFE became possible; a way to OVERCOME and become LIKE GOD.
This is the BATTLE being fought a battle between truth and deception, love and hate, mercy and no mercy, self and selflessness, faithfulness and no faithfulness. God is the ONE and flesh is the OTHER.
THE WORD (written and living) is our means of fighting this battle and winning. None of this can be seen, we have to rely on the SPIRIT and his WORD for instructions of WAR.
Revelation is depicting this battle. We are not faithful to our creator (husband); therefore we are the WHORE. We don't know God's word; therefore, we are the false prophet. We have no love or mercy; therefore, we are BEAST. Through TRUTH; anti Christ, the false prophet and the beast are DESTROYED and we become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery, CHRIST IN US ....
The false prophets are gone out into the world , and the world hears them . But they cannot hear the spirit of truth because they did not get it from the start .
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
You can't use reasoning to present the Gospel. You may be able to use reasoning to present the ministry of condemnation by Presenting the 10 Commandments to show a person he's come short, but when you lay out the details of the gospel that's where you get resistant in so many ways.
1) "A loving God will send no one to Hell".
2) "They'll find problems with the finish work of the cross by adding to it".
3) They'll find problems with the resurrection,
4) And some don't have faith in salvation being a gift and you're saved by works.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18.
Jesus says in John 16:12-14.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Today we have many beliefs but ONE Truth! The holy spirit reveals that truth.
Instead of studying scripture to grow in truth, we "search" scripture to hold a view.
If we have the truth, it's because it was given to you by the spirit of truth which Jesus spoke of in John 16:13.
once you were saved, so you can't expect others to hold that truth without conversion.
S Spencer Matthew 2144 on Genesis 1:1 - 2 years ago
part 1
Matthew 21:44.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
There must be conviction before conversion, I believe that's why the law "Ministry of death" ( 2 Cor. 3:7-10.)
came before the gospel. It was meant to show us the weakness of the flesh. "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.
Christianity was attacked in the beginning of the church from within as we see today.
In Acts 20:28-30. Paul warns Ephesus, Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Jude also warns us. "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
These warnings of what would come into the church (Leaven and tares). You see the tares Matthew 13:24-30.
We often try to pluck up the tares but Jesus instruct otherwise in verses 28-29: He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
I thank you for your kindly post. I guess I will apologize if my post came across a little harsh. Though that was not my intent. Understanding we all may have different views on things. The most important thing is to stay focused on the Lord Jesus Christ. As long as we all have a zeal to be with the Lord and follow Him to serve our Father in Heaven on His Will. All being in one Spirit in the body of Christ.
Differences here and there about what this, or that, Scripture means are to be expected. I believe the Word of God can be so deep in some instances, maybe all, where there can be numerous things to grasp from it. Weather spiritual, literal, both, or from many aspects. I see it in that as long as the way we take something is in line with the Will of God then great.
Definitely I would only call myself a baby in Christ. There are many others here more learned than me. Though if I am able I very much enjoy conversing about the Lord peacefully. As He is my Life.
Have a wonderful day brother. Thank you again for your post.
I hope this does not offend anyone. This prophecy that was given to Daniel, 70 weeks which is 70 7s = 490 years. This prophecy tells the exact year the Messiah (Jesus) arrives. ( Daniel 9:25) The 7 weeks + 3 score + 2 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years leaving 1 week or 7 years that has been used with other verses in the Bible to create a theory about the end time.
In ( Luke 3:1-6) scripture tells us the year. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. This and the other Gospels are pretty clear with baptizing by John most likely in the fall, 40 days in the wilderness, choosing his disciples, the wedding with the wine and the first of three Passovers and his crucifixion at the third, placing it in the middle, 3 years into the 70th week.
Plain and simple math shows us if Jesus appeared in 69 weeks from the going forth of the commandment and He was cut off, crucified 3 years later that is in the middle of the 70th week. So, can you use this week at the end time? I will not post on Daniel 9:27, that will be too long, but hopefully what I have written will help your study. I made a post about what was determined in this prophecy yesterday. It has scripture you can read and decide for your own conscience the truth.
Hi everyone ,i dont mean to harp on about this or get on anyones nerves ,i have noticed that it seems to be americans that believe that Jesus is actually God ,please correct me if im wrong ,here in the uk the only people that i know for sure believe that ,are catholics ,we have a very strong protestant credo over here so im very much not alone on this side of the pond ,love in Christ to you all .
It's interesting, when God spake to Abraham he used an angel on more than one occasion, yet God said I Am God . God had angels that work on his behalf , they are minister omg spirits of his .
Before 1900, Bibles were printed entirely in black ink. Today, a few Bibles are printed in black ink for those who prefer it or those who are colorblind and cannot read the color red. The idea for the red letters in Bibles is attributed to Louis Klopsch, owner and editor of Christian Herald Magazine.
Rob, what that says is probably true, but I think we should go back farther in time, to the methods they used after the 3rd century AD.
Who would have thought to discuss the end-time prophets during these end-times? Someone has to champion in prophesy dialog, so why not you. It's rarely discussed due to lack of depth. God prefers prophesy over tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:5
"I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying".
Best of luck converting the NT mavericks into sign of the times watchman.
Gertrude Hasmaris ,hahaha ,well done and thankyou ,im ok with people having different beliefs ,i dont get wound up about it and i hope i dont annoy others , sometimes i feel the need to back up my beliefs in my posts only because i want people to know that i dont take this subject lightly and its a conclusion i have come to based on actual evidence and i havent just pulled it out of my hat ,all will be revealed to all eventually and i hope to meet you in that most awesome time ,love to you in Christ .
I would believe your testimony, however Mary was impregnated by the Holy Ghost, making Jesus God.
If what you say is true, then Jesus should be mocked for being a straw man. How can you fully respect someone who is a fraud, someone who was handed everything? That could have been me, or anyone God picked to play Messiah. Whatever the case, lets just get on with it till it's over.
You could be right, but Jesus said this of the end-times:
( Matthew 24:34)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors (day of the Lord).
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
( Revelation 8:13)
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
The last 3 trumpets happen close to each other for a reason, and are separated from the 1st 4 trumpets. It is more feasible to count the tribulation and great tribulation (3.5 years) equal to a 40 year generation that will not pass till these things are accomplished.
God bless
You mentioned the flood. According to the dates of generations listed below, the flood was about 4,369 years ago. Does this list agree with your thinking, creation...in the ball park?
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656
Calculated BC date for creation: 4004
Calculated AM date for the Flood: -1656
Calculated BC date for the Flood: 2348
Current Year (minus one): +2021
Number of years since beginning of Flood: 4369
God bless
Matthew 28:19-20. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
JESUS COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND SHARE THE GOSPEL, AND THEY DID!
IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO DIE FOR.
Today it is the least interesting topic of scripture.
John 3:14-16. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 16:30-31. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
John 12:24 . Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
John 10:1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Let us not treat the gospel like a history book,
And Let's understand the necessity of it.
God bless
1 corinthians 2:7-14. but we speak the wisdom of god in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which god ordained before the world unto our glory:
which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the lord of glory.
but as it is written, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which god hath prepared for them that love him.
but god hath revealed them unto us by his spirit: for the spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of god.
for what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of god knoweth no man, but the spirit of god.
(""now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of god; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of god."")
which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, ""but which the holy ghost teacheth;"" comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
( but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of god: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned ).
now sure if a person is truly saved the light of scripture will reveal certain fundamentals of the faith,
but when he's in his natural state or as the natural man you might want to set aside viewpoints and consider giving him the gospel to see where is he at with his salvation doctrine and see what's hindering his spiritual growth.
ask questions, he should be glad to tell you the hope that is within him.
and if his un regenerated heart is not deceiving him, he will certainly believe in certain fundamentals such as saved by grace alone, the virgin birth and the deity of jesus christ. ect..
the gospel that saves should be our first priority.
god bless.
A generation is 40 years.
If it was 120, wee'd be extinct.
Jesus was born of God from the flesh of man. He never sinned. He lived on earth 33 years, in a restricted human capacity. He was resurrected into everlasting life as a God. He shed his earthly chains to sit at the right hand side of God. From caterpillar to butterfly, a human God is born.
The distinction problem stems from verses blatantly contradicting each other, negating any evidence gathered.
FAITH need replace speculation.
God bless
The world prefers darkness and resists truth.
John 1:9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 3:19-21 (KJV) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I believe both sides of salvation is equally important, The law shows we're in dying need of a savior and Christ came to fulfill that need.
I believe we need to seriously turn our focus on Christ work on the cross.
And the true pathway to salvation.
Deception is Satans strategy,
Why do we debate about topics and try to argue it by reasoning when you may be talking to someone who's spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:13-14. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1 John 2:27.
1 Corinthians 3:6 . I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Our problem seems to be planting and watering, ( Preaching and teaching the gospel ).
We have seeds to sow, The Holyspirit will do his part.
Salvation is all important.
God bless.
The last paragraph is helpful, but you are still speaking a language I can't identify with. I need to understand the events I'm reading about before I can grasp the symbolism. You're speaking on the scholarly symbolic side, when I want to know your literal perspective of what happens on earth. Names and countries involved, predictions, or perhaps you haven't pondered who's who yet? The prophets saw end-time events first hand, they were 'taken in the spirit' and shown every aspect of Israel's destruction. Can you speak on how these end-time battles come about according to them? Any ideas you'd like to share?
God bless
God predestinated before the world was, that creation (man) would be like him. God created us with this world set in our hearts (flesh).
Ecclesiastes 3:11 ....also he has set the world in their heart...
This was necessary so we could come to know everything in the same likeness as God knows (good and evil).
Being naturally born in the flesh (worldly) we start as ANTI-CHRIST, false prophets not knowing the truth of God, beast of the earth with now concept of the ways of the Spirit.
When Jesus died and was resurrected a new way of LIFE became possible; a way to OVERCOME and become LIKE GOD.
This is the BATTLE being fought a battle between truth and deception, love and hate, mercy and no mercy, self and selflessness, faithfulness and no faithfulness. God is the ONE and flesh is the OTHER.
THE WORD (written and living) is our means of fighting this battle and winning. None of this can be seen, we have to rely on the SPIRIT and his WORD for instructions of WAR.
Revelation is depicting this battle. We are not faithful to our creator (husband); therefore we are the WHORE. We don't know God's word; therefore, we are the false prophet. We have no love or mercy; therefore, we are BEAST. Through TRUTH; anti Christ, the false prophet and the beast are DESTROYED and we become the LIKENESS OF CHRIST.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery, CHRIST IN US ....
The old saying of the blind leading the blind .
"...these three are one."
Link
What makes God's Word seem "catholic" to you?
The word is not totally dead yet in churches over there .
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
You can't use reasoning to present the Gospel. You may be able to use reasoning to present the ministry of condemnation by Presenting the 10 Commandments to show a person he's come short, but when you lay out the details of the gospel that's where you get resistant in so many ways.
1) "A loving God will send no one to Hell".
2) "They'll find problems with the finish work of the cross by adding to it".
3) They'll find problems with the resurrection,
4) And some don't have faith in salvation being a gift and you're saved by works.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18.
Jesus says in John 16:12-14.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Today we have many beliefs but ONE Truth! The holy spirit reveals that truth.
Instead of studying scripture to grow in truth, we "search" scripture to hold a view.
If we have the truth, it's because it was given to you by the spirit of truth which Jesus spoke of in John 16:13.
once you were saved, so you can't expect others to hold that truth without conversion.
Study- Link
Until next time
GOD BLESS.
Matthew 21:44.
And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
There must be conviction before conversion, I believe that's why the law "Ministry of death" ( 2 Cor. 3:7-10.)
came before the gospel. It was meant to show us the weakness of the flesh. "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.
Christianity was attacked in the beginning of the church from within as we see today.
In Acts 20:28-30. Paul warns Ephesus, Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Jude also warns us. "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
These warnings of what would come into the church (Leaven and tares). You see the tares Matthew 13:24-30.
We often try to pluck up the tares but Jesus instruct otherwise in verses 28-29: He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
See part 2. Eyes to open ears to hear.
GOD Bless.
I thank you for your kindly post. I guess I will apologize if my post came across a little harsh. Though that was not my intent. Understanding we all may have different views on things. The most important thing is to stay focused on the Lord Jesus Christ. As long as we all have a zeal to be with the Lord and follow Him to serve our Father in Heaven on His Will. All being in one Spirit in the body of Christ.
Differences here and there about what this, or that, Scripture means are to be expected. I believe the Word of God can be so deep in some instances, maybe all, where there can be numerous things to grasp from it. Weather spiritual, literal, both, or from many aspects. I see it in that as long as the way we take something is in line with the Will of God then great.
Definitely I would only call myself a baby in Christ. There are many others here more learned than me. Though if I am able I very much enjoy conversing about the Lord peacefully. As He is my Life.
Have a wonderful day brother. Thank you again for your post.
God Bless.
I hope this does not offend anyone. This prophecy that was given to Daniel, 70 weeks which is 70 7s = 490 years. This prophecy tells the exact year the Messiah (Jesus) arrives. ( Daniel 9:25) The 7 weeks + 3 score + 2 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years leaving 1 week or 7 years that has been used with other verses in the Bible to create a theory about the end time.
In ( Luke 3:1-6) scripture tells us the year. Tiberius Caesar was emperor from 14-37 A.D. Pontius Pilate ruled from 26-36 A.D. so the fifteenth year of Tiberius would have been 29-31 A.D. start of John the Baptist ministry. This and the other Gospels are pretty clear with baptizing by John most likely in the fall, 40 days in the wilderness, choosing his disciples, the wedding with the wine and the first of three Passovers and his crucifixion at the third, placing it in the middle, 3 years into the 70th week.
Plain and simple math shows us if Jesus appeared in 69 weeks from the going forth of the commandment and He was cut off, crucified 3 years later that is in the middle of the 70th week. So, can you use this week at the end time? I will not post on Daniel 9:27, that will be too long, but hopefully what I have written will help your study. I made a post about what was determined in this prophecy yesterday. It has scripture you can read and decide for your own conscience the truth.
May the Holy Spirit guide your study.
RLW
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Maybe we'll meet up in Cleveland after my seminar.
God bless
Rob, what that says is probably true, but I think we should go back farther in time, to the methods they used after the 3rd century AD.
Who would have thought to discuss the end-time prophets during these end-times? Someone has to champion in prophesy dialog, so why not you. It's rarely discussed due to lack of depth. God prefers prophesy over tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:5
"I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying".
Best of luck converting the NT mavericks into sign of the times watchman.