Genesis Chapter 1 Discussion Page 2



 
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Dear Alex,

    I disagree with you.

    I think that Jesus was saying that He made it so that those who thought they were wise and prudent in understanding spiritual matters would not understand, making their ears not hear and their eyes not see. But it is those who are reborn that are able to understand that which has been written in Scripture in light of the gospel and work of Jesus for our salvation. I believe that the New Testament interprets the Old Testament so that what was written in the Old Testament is given correct interpretation in the new Testament.

    I do not think as you do, that every Scripture has a hidden meaning. Much of what is written in the Word is easily understood by believers without resorting to some hidden meaning or knowledge because the Holy Spirit brings understanding to us if we continue to read the whole of Scriptures. The more we read from both the New and Old Testament, the more we understand what God was conveying to us and the Holy Spirit helps us apply it to our lives.
  • Pierre1939 - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Gi Gi.....Jesus says in Matthew 11:25.....I thank you Father Lord of heaven and earth that you HAVE HID THESE THINGS from the Wise and Prudent and only revealed them to babes and sucklings.....Thus every thing has a hidden meaning that only the babes can understand......Who are the babes.....the H.G. our new innerman.....That New Creature that has to be born in us....As that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. the Children of Promise.....That New Born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. That Child of promise....Which answers to our new hearts and new spirits...So plz don't tells folks there is no hidden knowledge.....ok gbu
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Dear Earl, (Landry)

    I am not in agreement with how you characterized my beliefs nor with your interpretation of

    Scriptures.

    Even so, thanks for sharing your thoughts with me. We just do not have much thinking in common as far as I can tell from the many months we have been on this forum together. To me, you are a false teacher, and one whose teachings I should scrutinize carefully and not accept readily.

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Hello oseas,

    Thanks for the reply.

    It seems that we are very far apart as far as how we approach and interpret Scripture. I do not know of a verse that tells us to search for hidden and obtuse meanings in Scripture where the plain meaning fits with the context of the verses being studied. I think that looking for "hidden knowledge" in Scripture will lead to much error. It was what the Gnostics did in the early days of the Church and were spoken of as people whose ideas believers are to avoid.
  • Oseas - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Hello, GiGi

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    Thank you for your reply, I really enjoyed your post and hearing from you.



    The subject is very profound evidently, however, as Paul Apostle did say, "our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD; we speak the wisdom of GOD in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which GOD ordained before the world unto our glory- 1 Corinthians 2:5&7. Our Lord JESUS promised saying: Unto every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: ...

    I like to meditate deeply in the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD( John 1:1), and to deceipher the biblical enigmas. The psalmist said: I will bend my ear to a parable, with a lyre(harp) I will solve my riddle.

    In my view, Genesis is a GOD's Plan of RESTORATION of all things( Acts 3:18-26), revealed to Moses around 2500 years after Adam, or after two and half GOD's Days working in His creation. By the way, around 4000 years after Adam(end of fourth Day), our GOD was still working:JESUS, the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD, said:My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:17KJV. What was the work of JESUS? To fulfill LITERALLY Gen.1:26-27:

    26 And GOD said, Let US make man(MANY) in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing UPON the earth.---> By the way, compare with Revelation 11:15 to 18 Here, our Lord JESUS still was in the BOSOM of the Father- John 1:18The question, you know, is that our GOD "calleth those things which be not as though they were"- Romans 4:17. Only now has the sixth GOD's Day arrived, so, only from now on will Genesis 1:26-27 be fulfilled LITERALLY( Luke 20:35-36) AS A PROPHECY. Romans 8:18-25 explain better. In my understand, Adam is a human gender.
  • Landry - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Sister GiGi:

    I am going to scold you a little, but purely in LOVE.

    You say things; but I don't think, you believe what you say is relevant for us in the present.

    You said; and what you said is true, WE, as BELIEVERS, have been (a completed work) DELIVERED from SIN and DEATH; yet you don't believe what you say, if we HAVE BEEN DELIVERED, then it's not the future, BUT NOW.

    You said Adam and Eve were sinless; if they were sinless, they would not have sinned.

    Romans 8:29 For the creature WAS MADE (not created) subject to VANITY .... all creation from Adam WAS MADE subject to vanity, just a little enticement and they SIN ....

    The RESURRECTION CREATED man in the image of God, as in Adam (shadow of Christ) all men DIE, and all men are made ALIVE by the Spirit of resurrection; sin and death were DESTROYED, on the cross; ONLY CHRIST arose, and we AS JOINT HEIRS, the image of Christ, predestinated from the foundations of the world.

    I am the FIRST (of creation, the work of the cross) and I am the LAST of creation; creation was RAISED as joint HEIRS.

    Ephesians 4:4 .... one body (Christ) .... one Spirit ....

    Ephesians 4:6 ..... one God ....and Father of all (including Christ) ...... above ALL .... through ALL .... IN YOU ALL ...

    .... this mystery .... Christ in you ..... hid from the ages

    God bless you!
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Hello, Oseas,

    Interesting interpretation.

    I don't think we will fully understand what is meant be God creating man int he image of God until we are resurrected and in the eternal state where we see God fully in Jesus.

    I do not think that Scripture states that Jesus as the Father's Son was ever created. The Son of God had eternal existence just as the Father and the Spirit. Genesis 1 shows us the trinity in the Father creating all things through the Word His Son) an the Spirit hovering over the act of creation.

    Jesus has eternally been the exact image of the Godhead. What that truly means is for us to find out in the future eternal state.

    Yes, God is Spirit, but He can create however He wills, either spiritual realities and beings or physical realities or beings.

    Since He is eternally a Spirit, then His image in us must be a non-physical image. Many say it is that we have a will, mind, emotions, soul, which make up this image of God in us.

    I do not believe that an evil usurper implanted any seed into the human race or made us corrupted by sin. Adam and Eve sinned an the result was moral and physical corruption for all humans who came after them. This corruption came through the acts of free will that Adam and Eve made. They were sinless in their creation, but we made capable of sinning, which they chose on their own. The evil one did tempt them, but that was all he could do to (as that was lll God allowed him to do at that time). From the time after the first sin of Adam and Eve until the second coming of Cbrist, the evil one is at work in the world to deceive, robe, kill, and destroy humanity as he continues to tempt people to do wrong to one another and continues to deceive people with his evil ways.

    We, as believer, have been delivered from the kingdom of darkness (sin and death) and placed into Christ's kingdom of light (righteousness and holiness). We are part of our Lord's kingdom now and will receive the fullness of our salvation when He returns.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Hi Halfpint13. I'm sorry that I can't give you specific help with your question, as I'm neither a Jew nor literate in Hebrew. But if I could direct you to My Jewish Learning, and at the Search box at the top right of the main page, type in Conventions of Biblical Poetry. This is an interesting study on this subject, even as the three main poetic Bible books of the Psalms, Lamentations, & Song of Songs reveal. What one would read in the Hebrew could not be replicated in English (even the KJV), unless one alters the wording to give texts its poetic form. As you noted, some Bible versions do make an attempt to present such writing & thus enabling to be used in speech.
  • Oseas - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    Reading Genesis 1:27, in my understanding what matters and prevails is the mystery of creation of man. But how? By the way, First of all, GOD is Spirit; GOD is the Word, self-executing. But how is the image of the Spirit of GOD? GOD alone -the Word is GOD- couldn't create man, He first needed to create an IMAGE of His Person - JESUS - , as is written in Hebrews 1:1-3 and 8.

    By the way, man crreated by GOD is without sin, thus the conclusion about the corrupt generations the creator is another, an usurper, a lost one who grafted his evil seed into the one GOD had created - 1John 3:10-12. Terrible, very terrible.
  • Halfpint13 on Genesis 1 - 10 months ago
    This is a question instead of a comment. I need some help. How do you tell what is hebrew poetry? For example I know that Genesis 1:27 is poetry because it was used in a example in a study I was doing. Other versions change the line breaks when a section is poetry. How do I tell in the kjv?
  • Mazie on Genesis 1:1 - 1 year ago
    In the Beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth! If you can't believe the first sentence of the Bible, you can't believe the rest of the Bible. Either the whole Bible is true, or none of it is true. Genesis 1:1 is the foundation of the Bible.

    The foundation of man and creatures' existence is in Genesis chapters one and two. We are not called to be cafeteria Christians where we can pick and choose what we want to believe is true.
  • Peighton on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    I love the bible and this is a really good thing that you are doing
  • ItIsWritten - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Thousands of years before you, there was a man called Job, and he essentially asked an even tougher version of the same question; that's essentially what Job chapter 3 through chapter 37 is all about.

    When Job had finished asking the same questions you are asking, do you know how the LORD began His answer to Job? "Who is this that darkeneth counsel BY WORDS WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE?"

    - Job 38:2

    And again, "Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it."

    - Job 40:2

    Do you know what Job realized after the LORD was done? " . . . Therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not."

    - Job 42:3

    To your question, there will be no greater than what the Scriptures have given in the book of Job.

    I suggest you read the entire book of Job.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello, Asafo,

    Rev. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new."

    I won't be until the return of Jesus on the Last Day that we will receive our full redemption. We will be made new again through the resurrection or translation of our bodies. When that happens, we will never again know sorrow, pain, affliction, persecution, anguish. Jesus will destroy the heavens and the earth and make new heavens and a new earth.

    In John 16:33 Jesus says, " In this world ye shall have tribulation: But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

    Jesus said that this life will be full of troubles. Some due to sin and the corruption of this world: hardships, diseases, etc. And others due to persecution and sufferings because we believe in Jesus and belong to Him.

    We can know that the sufferings we experience in this life are intended to perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle us in the one true faith that is in Jesus. 1 Peter 5 10

    1 Peter 4:12-16 speaks of the our attitude in suffering and trials. We should not be surprised when it happens, rather rejoice and glorify God in our trials.

    Asafo, this life is a fallen life. it is marked by our own sinful nature and that of every other person. The world is corrupted because of man's sin. Therefore, God allows things to happen in the lives of Christians to test us and build us up to be able to stand firm under trial and tribulation. One day we may have to face death for our faith in Jesus. We can see our temporary sufferings at the present preparing us to stand in the last days, if we live to be in that time of great Tribulation and apostasy that will come before Christ returns for us ( 2 Thessalonians 2)

    But we look forward to the inheritance of eternal life and the full redemption of our body, soul, and spirit in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    When He comes to receive us to Him, He will then bring the wrath of God upon the wicked and the corrupted earth. Believers will be not suffer this wrath.
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Asafo, have you checked the common questions area?

    I don't think I'll rewrite my previous answers to this, but in summary, by what standard do we assume that dying is bad and suffering is bad?

    Everyone on earth dies. Everyone on earth has discomfort and suffering on some level. The implied goal of these questions seem to ignore the afterlife and the goal of serving God. So, what is the priority, short term pleasure or serving God? The question also assumes God's priority is for our comfort. I don't think so. It may have been until the original sin, but if you read in Genesis the creation was cursed to specifically create discomfort. So why assume that God being good would somehow remove the punishment and curse?
  • Asafo Adjei Ernest on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    CASE STUDY

    If God is good and all-knowing ,then why is there much suffering in the world and what's God doing or done about it to curb the pending situation

    Supporting you argument with tangible bible scriptures
  • FRANSISCA on Genesis 1:27 - 1 year ago
    Read and pray
  • Nacol1900 - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hiya Ray but they did eat animals but Paul tells us of a new covenant... Jeremiah 31 :34....A perfect covenant coming...That is gonna make everyone of us perfect...Which was that book of life in the fathers right hand....That Jesus wrote with his own blood . Matt 5:48...Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect....When that which is perfect is come that which is done in parts will be done away with... Rev. 5:1...Ray my belief is when that book in the fathers right hand is opened....We will sing a new song....As we are gonna be married to God....Christ Jesus....I think the animals have just as much right to live as we do.....And grains and fruits taste much better then animal flesh...As for all the Dogs i believe they are truly earth angels....GBU Ray
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Acts 10:9-11:18

    Deuteronomy 12:15
  • GIGI - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hello Ray,

    Check out how God instructed Noah after the flood in Genesis 9. the Israelites were commanded to consume a lamb on the night of the Passover before they fled Egypt. God instructed them to drain the blood of animals they eat in the cove4nant at Sinai. He also gave them quail to eat in the wilderness in addition to manna. AS far as the fellowship offering in Leviticus, they were to consume the meat with the priests within the tabernacle.

    These are just a few examples. Do you have concordance? You can search in there under meat to find more Scriptural references.
  • Ray Parker on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    I don't read in the Bible anywhere that God said to kill animals and eat them. God said "I give you herbs and fruit for meat. Please answer this. I don't believe we should kill and eat animals.God did not intend us to do thst.
  • Anna on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    really to interesting to read and more learn say the bible... blessing you!
  • Bryan Dahl on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Praise God for your wonderful site. I read every day and am asking God for guidance and direction in my life.
  • BlessedChildofGod - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Leviticus 20:13

    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
  • Alex1900 - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Marty ...Tell your friend that Jesus has died for him at Calvary making a new covenant in his blood for all men....I was found of them that sought me not and made manifest unto them that asked not after me.... Romans 10:20...And this Jesus wants to know him, sowing a good seed in his heart...That is gonna result in a birth of a Baby Christ in him...which is the Child of Promise the H.G...Thats y he has to know us, even in the spiritual realm a birth requires a spritual seed....An intimacy

    ......Thats y Peter said being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth and abideth forever...The living word which is spirit and life...Thus there is a new heart and a new spirit in our near future...Which is true Holiness....Thats y the woman in Rev 12 :5...is giving birth to the manchild the H.G. that Child of Promise...Which is the regeneration and multiplication of Christ Jesus via his seed the word...ok....That was the great Promise when God swore by himself Gen 22:17...That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus the sower and his precious seed...An Israel of God... Gal 6:16....And the Children of PROMISE....The Kingdom....Unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child impling that new birth you will in no wise enter there in...There is not a day that goes by that i don't thank GOD for what he did at Calvary...That N.C. by his blood....That all inclusive Covenant....I will know them all from the least to the greatest....And they shall all be taught of God... Jeremiah 31:34....If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...Even as Moses lifted up a serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up... John 3 :14....Every one who beheld that bronze Serpent lived, their snake bite was not fatal...The spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death... Romans 8 :2....sometimes we get bit but our snake bite is not fatal if we behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. gb
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    Hi Marty. This Hebrews 12:14 verse is written to Christians (of mainly Jewish origin), to pursue not only peace with all men (not just Christians), and lest they think that a peaceable state of living is sufficient to gain God's pleasure in them, the writer says, "and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord".

    So how to explain this to an unbeliever? An unbeliever may have some opinions, but usually 'holiness' is beyond their understanding. When sharing the Gospel with him, the whole focus must be on our sinfulness, our wretched hell-bound state before God & nothing we can ever do could make that great payment that would absolve us from all guilt & judgement. I'm sure you have shared the Gospel in this way, with supporting Scriptures, but he may ask, 'what then - what comes after I confess my sin & sinful state & receive God's forgiveness based on His Son's paying the price I couldn't pay?'

    The next step for a new believer is to be baptized: a public testimony to both himself before God & to others that he has left his old sinful life & choosing to be bound to Jesus Christ through His death & resurrection, identifying only to him. He is then taught more & more from the Word, especially focussing on the Gift of the Holy Spirit which is given to all who are joined to Christ, sealing them as God's precious children. The Holy Spirit is not an inactive force or a feeling a believer must have, but He is the very presence of God within him that will accomplish all of God's Will in him & through him. And one of the very first things that will be preeminent in the heart & life of this believer, is the Holy Spirit's moving in Him to be Christ-like; i.e. dealing with sin, yearning God-wards, new hopes, new driven life - all demonstrating the sanctifying Work of the Spirit. 'Holiness' then, is the 'sanctified life': the separated life (accomplished by God & pursued by the believer). If he has no desire to pursue it, his salvation is spurious & eternal life absent.
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    There's no problem with those verses, Julia. In verse 26, it is recorded as God speaking, "Let us make man in our image...". And in the following verse, the Genesis account writer says, "So God created man in his own image..", i.e. God created man in God's Image - not man's image. And the rest of verse 27 supports that, with, "...in the image of God created he (God) him (man). I know that can be a little confusing.
  • Mel8 - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    John 14:6 . There is only one way to God , the unbeliever must come to the Truth and come to it through Christ . Christ is our righteousness , Revelation 3:20 . There is no other way .
  • Marty Whitton on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    A Question... His word says without Holiness, we cannot see the Lord

    All men have sinned and come short of the glory of God. None doeth good, no not one. How, then, can I explain to an unbelieving lost soul how to attain Holiness in a way that can fully assure the gift of eternal life will be theirs.?
  • Julia on Genesis 1 - 1 year ago
    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Why does Genesis 26 read God made mean in "our" image and in the next verse 27 "in his own image"?

    Any thoughts? Is this a translation error?

    Thank you.


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