5/31/2021, 12:28pm by "S Spencer": Hi Tod.
I second what Brother Adam has said,
There is no excuse for slavery. but Romans 13. has nothing to do with slavery.
The Government is not perfect and neither are we, but they are ordained to keep law and order.
Romans 13:4. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Those in office have the same struggle in the flesh as we,
And we "ALL" know right from wrong.
John 1:9. That was the true Light, which lighteth "EVERY MAN" that cometh into the world.
It has always been like that and always will be until the prince of peace come.
5/31/2021, 10:56am by "Martha": Earl, I think there is room for both literal and spiritual paths that lead us to salvation. In this situation, you can't have one without the other. Praying to God for wisdom and discernment of heart is of the greatest value. Thanks for your guidance. Martha
5/31/2021, 10:41am by "Adam": Hello, that verse is unrelated to slavery, but is about rulers/government.
5/31/2021, 10:40am by "S Spencer on salvation": Part 5. New birth. Romans 6:4-18. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. "Likewise ( RECKON ) ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." HERE THE WORD RECKON CAN BE TRANSLATED RECOGNIZE. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Here I leave off at verse 18 for today, I will pick up verses 19-23 on through Romans 7 on a later date. The struggle and victory over sin in the new birth. until then God bless.
5/31/2021, 10:16am by "S Spencer on salvation": Part 4. WHY THE LAW. We often like to look at salvation as our sins forgiven, and rightfully so. But it may be better understood and appreciated if we look at it as our sins being payed for by the shed blood on the cross. "The sacrificial lamb" life for life! THE GIFT OF LIFE IS FREE BECAUSE THE DEBT WAS PAID WITH THE CRUCIFIXION OF OUR LORD. Galatians 3:19-29. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Now how do live our life? ROM 6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5/31/2021, 9:48am by "S Spencer on salvation": Part 3. Note: This discussion is open for improvement as I am no scholar. Just because one is dogmatic about a view, it does not make him right. Just rightly trying to divide the word. Mathew 5:13-18. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Part of the law was the ceremonial law and Jesus was the sacrifice for the sins of the world, But he had to keep the law to be declared that perfect lamb that take away the sins of the world. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal. 3:13. By this he was able to make over to us "his righteousness". Colossians 2:13-19. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, ""( And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.)"" So why the law? see part 4.
5/31/2021, 9:47am by "Tod Lambert": It seems that Romans 13:1-2 were used as a justification for slavery or tyranny. Was this justification correct or is it contradicted by other verses in the bible.
5/31/2021, 9:24am by "Rawlie": Good day Jessie. Thanks so much for the information you sent me, it is very useful and I will surely use it in my study of the book of Daniel. I know that you indicated that you have a map/chart is there any way you can forward it to me to look at?. It would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Rawlie Cooper
5/31/2021, 9:22am by "Earl Bowman": Brother Carl, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. You said God made the Israelites wait 40 years (generation).... God made them wait 40 years (judgement).... Numbers 14:34 After the number of days in which you searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall you bear your INIQUITIES, even forty years, and you shall know my breach of promise. God bless
5/31/2021, 8:56am by "Adam": Your comment sounds like an attack on Christians who believe the Bible. Why do you post such a thing on a Bible website and what is your goal? To unite or divide? Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him? Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves. 1 John 2:22-24 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." 1 John 5:7 Genesis 1:26 John 11:6-7 John 10:30 John 8:19 John 1:1 Philippians 2:5 - 2:8 2 Corinthians 5:19 John 1:3 1 John 5:7 Matthew 28:19 1 Peter 1:2 2 Corinthians 13:14 Deuteronomy 6:4 John 14:10 John 20:28 1 John 5:8 1 John 2:22-24