Ezekiel Chapter 31 Discussion

  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Hi Gigi; I appreciate your response, however; I have understood the retoracle question in Hebrews 1:5 To which of the angels said God at any time, you are my son? This is actually saying God has never called angels sons of God, nor can they become sons of God, as I have previously stated only human beings can become sons of God, it is very clear in Luke 3:38 that Adam was the son of God. Adam was a human being, the genealogy from Adam unto the Lord Jesus, is a lineage of the sons of God, all those listed were sons of God. Now what we do know, is that the apostle Paul stated if a Christian is led by the Holy Ghost, he has matured to become a son of God. I understood your statement about things God has not revealed to us as of yet, this is very true, and we can be content in knowing only what God has revealed, for this reason I can say like Isaiah 28:9-10 a doctrine can only be created when you take line upon line, here a little, precept upon precept, and there a little, usingf this method we can assure ourselves we have arrived at good doctrine. Meaning look for all scriptures that teach sons of God, and see if at any time they refer unto angels, and you will discover what I also discovered, that no scripture refers unto angels as sons of God, only human beings are called sons of God. In conclusion, even Jesus took not upon himself the nature of angels to be called a son of God, but he took upon himself a human body, as the seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16
  • Gigi - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Dear Dr Lee

    Another thought, perhaps in Job 38 the sons of God are angels and the morning stars are seraphim and/or cherubim. Or bother type of spiritual being we do not know about

    Lucifer is referred to as both the morning star and anointed cherub. Seraph are referred to as bright flames or fiery serpents.

    We do not know God has deemed angels sons of God. There is a lot we do not know about the spirit realm and the Scriptures reveal very little to determine a cohesive doctrine.

    So, I remember reading this: "the secret things belong to the Lord our God" Deut. 29:29

    So, I can live without knowing about things. I concur with Job's words in chapter 42:2-6 when Job answered back to God in humility and repentance. We really know very little about God and His heavenly hosts. We can speculate or interpret Scriptures our own ways, but really we have to wait and see in the resurrection what Hod will reveal to us about these things, and still we will not know ALL about God nor we may not know all about these spiritual hosts either. But we will know all that Hod has deemed good and necessary for us. I'm good with that.
  • Gigi - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Dear Dr. Lee

    I have read your interpretation of Ezekiel's trees being Angels and the trees in the Garden as being Angels. Although I find your interpretations interesting, I do not agree with it and stick with my belief that the Angels were created before humans and that the trees in the Garden were real trees.

    I do not tend to read metaphors into Scriptures unless Jesus spoke back to a Scripture and clearly explains that it is a metaphor. In this case, He never did.

    We will find out in the resurrection the answers to many questions we have about creation and things that happened in times prior to recorded history. I can wait until then. I do not see this topic as one to dwell on. So, thank you for your contribution. We will agree to disagree on this one, in my view.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Hi Gigi; I understand you are trying to quote Job 38:7 please read it with me, Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJB the morning stars here refer unto angels and the sons of God refer unto human beings. Therefore; this text is speaking about after man and angels were created, not before they were created. God never calls angels sons of God Hebrews 1:5 Knowing you must be a human being to become a son of God, like Adam Luke 3:38 or like Christians John 1:12 I believe the bible is revealing the angels were created after mankind, as in Genesis 2:8-9 as Adam was watching God create the trees from the garden of God, this was done after God created trees already on the third day and after he rested on the seventh day, meaning this word tree is metaphorical and are the angels, as the prophet Ezekiel reveals in 31:8-9
  • Dr. Lyle Lee - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Hi K; I have read what you wrote, and I must confess, I have very little faith when it comes to transliteration bibles, I prefer the King James or the Septuagint. In the KJB Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The question from this text is when could the morning stars sing together, knowing that these are the angels, with the sons of God, knowing that these are mankind. Please note Hebrews 1:5 God never calls angels sons of God, first let me say, only a human being can become a son of God, Read Luke 1:38 Adam was a son of God, then compare that statement to John 1:12 only Christians can become sons of God, or compare that to Romans 8:14, only Christians who have matured enough to be led by the Holy Ghost, can become a son of God. Do not allow yourself to be deceived by false teachers or books, like the book of Enoch, which is heresy, stating it rained in the days of Enoch, more than 300 years before it rained in the bible. So I believe Gen. 2:8-9 Angels were created in front of Adam as the metaphorical word, trees. This is explained in Ezekiel 31:8-9
  • Gigi - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    I agree K

    The Angels were made before God created the earth, as it says I'm Job
  • K - In Reply on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    I don't believe that is quite correct. Angels were created before man. I'm Job 38, God is talking to Job about the plans that He has but Job does not know about. In verses 4-7 God says some awesome things that gives us context that angels were made before humans in the beginning of creation. " Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line? What supports its foundations, and who laid its cornerstone as the morning stars sang together and all the angels (sons of God) shouted for joy?" NLT if the angels were present to witness the laying of the foundations of the earth, that has to mean they were present before humans.
  • Dr. Lyle Lee on Ezekiel 31 - 2 years ago
    Satan and all fallen angels are described here as Pharaoh and his multitude, the other shadow and typology name ascribed unto Satan is the Assyrian, these are the two names ascribed unto Satan here in this chapter. His metaphorical name is, the cedar tree of Lebanon, the other fallen angels metaphorical names are cedar trees, fir trees and chestnut trees. Found then in versus 8-9 we have an understanding that goes back to Genesis 2:8-9, regarding when God created the trees from the garden of God, these were the angels. Now we know and are confident that Ezekiel is using metaphors to speak about Satan and the fallen angels, because he states the trees of the garden of God, envied Lucifer. We can affirm that no physical tree has the ability to envy, but angels had that ability when God created them, we can affirm therefore, man is older than the angels, as he was created before them, placed into the garden of God, and then God created all angels in front of Adam. Genesis 2:8-9 Let us also make note, that these fallen angels were cast into hell, or the pit, which is not a common grave, for a physical grave could never hold a spirit like Satan or any fallen angel.
  • I AM on Ezekiel 31 - 5 years ago
    Lu2677 ... word is right the seperpent was in the garden because the garden is your brain and your have a lower repetilain part of your brain that's the serpent
  • Obbie Beal on Ezekiel 31 - 6 years ago
    GOD declaired [time was-up /over] for this one... therefore this one was sentenced. WOW, WOW, WOW!
  • Lu2677 on Ezekiel 31 - 7 years ago
    Word,I have given more thought to your comment about the trees. John 3:8 "For the devil sinneth from the beginning"You said Satan IS the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When does Satan do good? In the garden; if Eve did NOT eat (as you claim) fruit of the tree of knowlege good and evil, of which God told her not to do.What was the deception that Eve succumbed to that caused our sinful state?
  • Word on Ezekiel 31 - 7 years ago
    Henry's j verses 8 and 9 and on is speaking of a tree in the garden of God and its the garden of Eden and the tree is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, yes that old serpent the devil. Gods children in scripture are called many times the trees, cedar trees of Lebanon and that's the mighty heathen Satan who is being spoken of.
  • Word on Ezekiel 31 - 7 years ago
    Jennifer yes history was Neb king of Babylon and 9 chapter of the Babylon war were history but God has showed us a type of antichrist coming in the future that won't be old Neb but Satan the king of Babylon of the Book of Revelation. Don't worry he comes in peace and prosperity and the whole world is taken into the deception and worship him. Preachers priest of this generation let the sheep down.
  • Jennifer on Ezekiel 31 - 7 years ago
    If you continue reading through the next chapter you will find the answer (chapter 32 verse 11). It is Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and his armies.
  • Henry j trauernicht on Ezekiel 31 - 7 years ago
    In verse 11, who may be the mighty one of heathen?
  • Word on Ezekiel 31 - 8 years ago
    Heineken Vetten Assyrian has no article so it's Te-ashshur which means box cedar or old box cedar not worth much cause it's speaking of Satan. Then it goes on to speak of him in the garden,tree of the knowledge of good and evil and face it God created Satan almost-the full pattern he was something but pride ego got the best of him so I think it's his insides as little box cedar. No heart 4 others.
  • Heike Vetten on Ezekiel 31 - 8 years ago
    Thank you
  • Insight 777 on Ezekiel 31 - 9 years ago
    In chapter 31 Nations are personified as trees. The uppermost boughs represent the economy of a nation and the tallest trees have the strongest economies. This is where the men of commerce do their trade agreements with each other and form alliances. The wealthy nations also have strong militaries. The shadowing shroud may represent civil war within Assyria or Syria. Syria 's sea ports, her waters, make her desirable to other nations such as Russia that are willing to defend her. Also waters could represent people here that fan out into Lebanon to spread their doctrine, their religious beliefs. Verse 6, the fowls are aircraft involved in fighting, beasts represent war and of the field means soldiers. All great nations are under the shadow of this civil war and some have participated already in its outcome. Eden is the earth and the garden of God is peace. Egypt is being compared with Assyria. Assyria is being compared with other nations with different beliefs and resources in verse 8. Verse 9, I think the multitude of branches means multitude of supporting people and countries that are willing to become involved in the outcome of Assyria 's future and therefore their own future. Verse 9, All countries want support for their nation and their beliefs therefore they envy a nation that is given money, advanced weapons and military support.
  • Dewey jones on Ezekiel 31 - 10 years ago
    It appears that God is speaking to Satan through theses powerful men that were doing the work of Satan who also shared in his great fall and subsequent judgement of God. As in Isaiah 14 v12 19, Ezekiel 28 v13 19.
  • Klaus on Ezekiel 31 - 13 years ago
    Pride always brings destruction. Only God is to be exalted above all creation. Pharaoh exalted himself above God and was destroyed.
  • Gene on Ezekiel 31 - 14 years ago
    i would like to know if verse 8 describes the trees in the garden of eden please answer.

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