Exodus Chapter 4 Discussion

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  • Paul
    Is God responsible for babies being born deaf, dumb, blind? or with other disabilities?

    I don't know. I believe the son's of perdition have much to do with the evils of this world, including birth defects.

    But this I know, Christ went about doing good and healed multitudes of people.

    If persons are born defected, Christ can heal them.

    It's sad to know they took our God and hung Him on a tree saying "others he saved but himself he cannot."

    When goodness is deliberately destroyed, we can only expect bad to happen.
  • Jesse

    If I can just add one thing to some already great answers, all the armies of the world could not have taken Christ. No earthly power could have taken Him. Jesus Christ came and freely gave Himself to the cross, fulfilling the purpose for which He came.
  • Paul

    In the same Spirit of the apostles I say it's sad to know they took our God and hung Him on a tree saying, "others he saved himself he cannot."

    Peter declared, "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;"

    Stephen declared before his martyr, "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

    "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:"

    Our Lord asked, " O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

    It is easier to sympathize for Judas saying it was scripted for him to betray our Lord?

    Why should Judas be damned when he only fulfilled prophecy?

    Have we sympathized to our Lord?

    Is it not sad that because of evil men our Lord was crucified?

    Or do we say, Oh well, it had to be that way?

    When the scriptures say God is merciful and longsuffering, we have no idea how longsuffering our God is regarding us.

    Would it not be an unbearable thought to find out an evil king commanded that every male infant from age 2 under be slaughtered because you or I was born?

    Do we sympathize with Judas? or our Lord?

    Our Lord came to save us from the Judas' who killed the prophets and resist the Holy Ghost.
  • Jesse

    Please know that I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying here. It is indeed sad that Jesus who had no sin, would come and die for a world full of sin. It's also sad to know that people still continue to reject the love that Christ showed and the gift He has to offer to those who have the heart to receive that gift. Sad indeed!
  • Will The Church Crawl Away and Shrivel
    You need to take time in the Book of Acts. This is the Church, Jesus died for. He didn't disappear and leave them alone. Only until Pentecost. When that Mighty Rushing Wind came through the Upper Room, of The Promised Holy Spirit; the disciples were filled so full of His presence that they exploded in praise as the Tongues of Fire they were seeing lept around the room over their heads. It was more than glorious.

    The people in the street saw and heard the disciples. They were energized with indescribable joy. This is what Jesus had told to them! This was the fulfilling of promise. The church was up and aflame. It spilled out into the streets. The disciples were no longer afraid and doubting; barely hanging onto faith.

    We can have that. When we obey Jesus and do as he said at the end of the Book of John; we will experience that power and joy.

    I hear very little preached on FAITH very much. Jesus is still saving and healing people. Very few have a pulsating faith to reach out and take hold of Jesus. Does anyone know 10 healing scriptures by heart?

    We all need to ask Jesus for another refilling of the Holy Spirit. If you feel dry and lifeless, just ASK HIM! We need the anointing oil of the Holy Spirit. If we read and read and read the Bible and there is no outflow onto others; we're clogged.

    How do I know all this? I've rarely spoken on this. I know that the Holy Spirit does Home visitations. I experienced an event that is burned into my heart and brain and eyes. That's how I know the Holy Spirit is looking for those who will take Him at His Word. We are his disciples now.

    If all that happens is, in a chair railing and ranting against the Jews of Israel; not much is going to happen. The Jews are Jesus's personal business. He don't need your help.

    Don't dry up on the ground like a piece of toast, that the birds come and carry away.

    Be refilled with oil; be anointed by the Holy Spirit.
  • Chris
    I don't believe that we can ever hold God responsible for birth defects or appearance of diseases such as cancers or deteriorating organ functions in adults. I realize that we enjoy blaming Satan for all our woes, but in fact that is not always the case. God created mankind perfect though man chose to go his own way being filled with pride so as to be like God. This fallen nature that we refer to as the sin nature, has corrupted every facet of our being: spirit, soul & body. And so death is the prospect of every living organism, & it may well come as a blessed relief to mankind so as to be released from this deterioration & ageing of our bodies. But the unsaved believes that death ends it all for them & so they should enjoy life to the fullest, whatever the cost.

    And yet, after a sinner receives God's Salvation, the new believer still remains in the body of corruption & suffer the same fate as any other. But the spirit of man is renewed (born again) that he might have his sins forgiven & have the hope of everlasting life with his Creator, that which the unsaved won't receive nor is it their desire. So we can also see that the same unsaved now could taunt the Saviour, "He saved others; Himself He cannot save", not realizing that it was for their sins that He came & gave His Life on the cross, but they would rather mock Him & God's provision of a sacrificial Lamb.

    God, in a moment, made for us the greatest payment that we could never hope to make. Man, for eternity, will suffer the consequences of his rejection of that payment.
  • Bianca Peterson
    In verse 21 even though God knew that Pharaoh would harden his heart he still made sure that he received warning. This shows that God didn't want to destroy Pharaoh but he gave him time to change his thinking and ways.
  • Job
    And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? I'll answer your question with another question Lord: Why you make the dumb, deaf and the blind?
  • Chosen by Him
    Romans 9:20-24

    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    God has already answered you in the Eternal Scriptures!
  • Floss
    Regarding Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
    also, Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
    Also, the man born blind John 9:3 "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.
    Is God responsible for babies being born deaf, dumb, blind? or with other disabilities? I am also thinking about John the Baptist who had the Holy Spirit in the womb and already being chosen, etc. etc.
  • Stan jett
    And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. When I was a kid, like Moses, I also could not talk plain. Some said I was tongue tied. Which made me very bashful.Anyone asked me a question, even if I knew it, I would say I don't know. I can surely understand Moses here.
  • BSP
    Verse 14~Jehovah God was patient with Moses in reassuring him of his support, but Moses continued to question and doubt God and this made God angry.
  • Jo
    God did not attend to kill Moses, Moses had to circumcise his son Eliezer or God was going to kill his son. It was their custom to circumcise the males. Since Moses had Eliezer by Zippotah, while in Egypt, it wasn't the Egyptians way. The blessings of God flow down the family tree and Abraham, so all males in that family need to be circumcised if not they will be cut off.... Killed.
  • Surferlaments
    what do i really think? just how lucky that moses was in being picked by God to do God's work here on earth.
  • Evans
    Israel is the first born of God.if you bless Israel you're blessed.
  • Frank
    Jesus is the first born of God and the only begotten of God.
  • Sonja
    Moses didn't feel confident to this work but the Lord kept assuring him He'd help him. In verse 24 the Lord (strict?) in obedience
  • Peter Ifere
    God Grace is sufficient to all no matter how difficult or impossible the task may seems to be
  • Motdaugrnds
    Dewey, I really like your comments. The Scriptures are full of information letting us know how weak, sinful and cowardly we humans are yet the Heavenly Father "chooses " to see past this to the soul His Son died for. And though we are rebuked and even punished for what we do...as were the Patriots ...Examples: Judah, David, Solomon, etc... He still loves us and will work thru us for the benefit of those who love Jesus, keep His commandments and walk thru this world by faith.
  • Dewey J
    Evangelist Chatauna, you are correct according to Scripture because Acts 17:30,31 says, "And the times of this ignorance God winked at but now commadeth all men every where to repent: v31 Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. We all know that man is Jesus Christ. God bless us all and also in the understanding of his Word. Praise God always through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!
  • Dewey J
    Clinton, we can see from Scripture that Moses was on the verge of being rude to God and showed a little cowardice. But let us also look at the monumental and very dangerous task Moses was charged with by God. Let us not judge the patriarchs to harshly knowing that we too are in a body of flesh. We don 't have any evidence that God would have healed Moses speech impediment though we are certain that by faith he is more than able. Like God said to apostle Paul concerning his physical defect in 2. Cor. NIV 12:9 "But he said to me, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weakness, so that Christ 's power may rest on me. God bless us all and also in the understanding of his Word. Glory be to Jehovah in the highest through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Amen!
  • Clinton for verse 11
    Pulpit Commentary Verses 11-13. - Who hath made man 's mouth! God could and would have cured the defect in Moses ' speech, whatever it was could and would have added eloquence to his other gifts, if he had even at this point yielded himself up unreservedly to his guidance and heartily accepted his mission. Nothing is too hard for the Lord. He gives all powers - sight, and hearing, and speech included - to whom he will. He would have been "with Moses ' mouth, " removing all hesitation or indistinctness, and have "taught him what to say " - supplied the thought and the language by which to express it - if Moses would have let him. But the reply in ver. 13 shut up the Divine bounty, prevented its outpour, and left Moses the ineffective speaker which he was content to be. The words, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom Thou wilt send, are curt and ungracious much curter in the original than in our version. They contain a grudging acquiescence. But for the deprecatory particle with which they commence - the same as in ver. 10, they would be almost rude. And we see the result in the next verse.
  • Evangelist Chatauna Robinson
    Part 2 of 2 What about the scripture found in, Romans 12 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath for it is written, Vengeance is mine I will repay, saith the Lord . What do you think God is going to do slap folks on the hand? I believe that God will issue out punishment justly and fairly. In the end, those who are not saved will find themselves in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, Revelation 21 7 and 8.
  • Evangleist Chatauna Robinson
    Part 1 of 2 Hello Herbert Hernandez and Richard Uff The LORD God, the I AM is encouraging Moses not to worry about his speech impediment. In verse 11 he is letting Moses know that he made man 's mouth, he made the dumb, he made the deaf, he made the seeing and he made the blind. The very end of that scripture quotes "have not I the LORD? " Didn 't God curse man, woman, the ground, and the serpent in the Garden of Eden? The infirmities may have been the results of the actions of Adam in the Garden, but it was still God that cursed them.
  • Herbert Hernandez for verse 11
    My Christian friend Richard Uff, read Acts 17 28 and you will understand that is God who give us our life, our infirmities that come to us in this life are the results of our fallen sin full nature, not from God.in Exodus 4 11 God is telling Moses not to worry that he will take care of him and will speak for him and Aaron.
  • Richard Uff for verse 11
    This verse has been of great concern to me ever since I came across it. I am fully aware that it is not in God 's nature to make things that aren 't perfect, but here is the sentence "Is it not I, the Lord? " Which would appear to have God admitting that He makes people with infirmities on a whim. I believe this is where the idea that God gives out this sort of condition to teach people things. For someone such as myself, who believes in a perfect God, full of love and grace, I am aware that there must be a deep theological explanation to this statement, but as yet I haven 't come across a satisfactory one, and I 'm keen to find it. I really want to get to the bottom of this, so that I might have answers when talking to people. It does not effect my relationship with Him, but to be able to explain that point to others would be a great help to me.
    This chapter, shows the power of our God. He is fulfilling his promises what were given to Abraham. Isac and Jacob. Israel is his "first born " and his consideration to bring back them to Cannon.
  • The Truth Teller for verse 6
    Exodus 4 6 is what it is. I 'm reading my Bible and came across this verse. This verse tells you Moseh Moses was actually some race other than white. He was a black man Hebrews and Mistrites Egiptians . When he was commanded to put his hand into his bossom and take it out his hand was white meaning he his skin went pale. If you go to Genesis and revisit the story of Canaan 's curse you would see that the disease of Leprosy was actually passed down through him. This verse was to prove God as a real being. He was giving Moses proof that he was real.
  • Davisa for verse 10
    Woww I can 't believe this happened though that that is crazy though woww

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