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  • Shirley mccoy on Exodus 19
    what is the history of azubah 1
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    There are two Azubahs (which means, 'deserted') mentioned in the Bible: 1 Kings 22:42, here she is the wife of King Asa & they had a son, Jehoshaphat. Jehoshaphat became king after his father.

    In 1 Chronicles 2:18, we see another Azubah, & she was the wife of Caleb. This is not the same Caleb of Numbers 13, as he was one of the twelve selected by Moses to search out the Land of Promise before entering & conquering it.

    Otherwise, there isn't any further history on these Azubahs.
  • Eric on Exodus 19
    Does anybody believe this to be true?

    The kingdom of God resides inside of us. When you accept Jesus as your savior your body becomes a house of God. Immediately a battle begins inside of you between evil and good where good begins to purge our evil. As you continue to walk in obedience more evil (junk from sin) gets replaced with good (the kingdom inside of you is growing) this is why Jesus said seek first the kingdom of God and that a house divided cannot stand. When Christians walk half in half...half with God half with sin they usually tend to be in struggle within themselves and with life in general. Because the battle within rages. As you walk in obedience the good purges the bad...ie, the kingdom is growing. The bigger the kingdom the smoother the walk and easier to resist sin and the world becomes less desirable. After a certain amount of time Jesus "comes" with the visitation and checks out your kingdom. If it's worthy and so far as to say the temple is complete he moves in and becomes king of your kingdom within. If not he leaves until he "comes" again to see if you've got it right. This is what the inheritance of Christ is.

    Has anyone heard this before and anyone have thoughts on this?

    Amen
  • GETTING CONFIRMATION on teachings - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Everybody reads and may interpret scripture differently. That's why I read the Commentary on this website. Also, I Google "Bible Commentary____scripture______"

    And the google search engine goes and fetches what I want to investigate.

    Then select a KJV commentator to read his take on that scripture. In the mouth of many, the Bible truth should be established: what points people agree on.

    It's like how it would be if we were quizzing all 12 Apostles plus Paul. Everyone saw the same thing but wrote it identical but from their point of view with their experience with Jesus and through the Light of revelation through the Holy Spirit. He always testifies of Jesus Christ.

    By reading many Commentaries you glean the best part of each one. ALWAYs ask the Holy Spirit to CONFIRM the Word of Truth.

    That's how I do it. Chris does too.

    If I hear something sorta wild, I go get it confirmed by scripture and read a lot on it before I open my mouth. Some things I don't respond to because I already did. It's back in the history pages somewhere.

    Sometimes I think people are scared of commentaries? It's a helps book. Every year at Back-to-school sales; I go get a half dozen notebooks to scribble notes and teachings in.

    I hardly watch television anymore. It's all cotton candy programming. :D
  • Eric - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Thank you

    Prophet of tiny faith

    Be well.

    Jesus loves you
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    What Adam has written is quite correct: it is the Holy Spirit Who takes up residence in those born again by Him. What you describe (taken from another source I guess), as God's Kingdom in us growing to bring us to maturity, is actually God's Spirit Who is doing the work of bringing us into deeper sanctification & maturing into Christ-likeness. The "battle that rages" within is that of the old carnal nature that is at war with the new nature from God. That is why the Apostle Paul said to "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would." (Galatians 5:16,17). And in verse 24, "And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." So there is nothing to suggest God's Kingdom getting bigger in us, rather that we have determined to put aside sin & not obey its enticements - not allowing the carnal nature to control us, but God's Spirit given full control.

    Now, there is a Scripture that some could use to support their errant belief: Luke 17:21, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." The Greek word for 'within' is 'entos' which can mean 'within or among'. Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees who certainly did not recognize nor accept Jesus as Messiah, so the meaning of 'within' wouldn't apply as they were certainly not holy vessels for God to come upon or within. I believe Jesus was speaking about Himself Who was already 'within their midst/amongst them' & they couldn't see Him because of their blindness & hardness of their hearts.

    So when we allow the Holy Spirit to have more of our lives by being moved by Him rather than by our carnal flesh, then in truth, God's Spirit will delight to reign in His children & we shall see God's Hand move in wonderful ways in our lives. 2 Corinthians 6:16.
  • Adam - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Hi Eric, I don't believe that a kingdom of God is inside, especially when no verses are shared to back up the idea. Bible reading Christians cite the Bible as their source of truth, and shouldn't cite other men or ideas from other books or movies. It sounds like something someone just made up this narrative.

    I believe Christians have the holy spirit inside them, but not a kingdom. Satan loves to twist and deceive people into thinking they're their own god- it's a common trick and there's even entire religions founded on such a deception. I believe we will have an opportunity to enter heaven after this life and after judgment. There's a verse that says to lay your treasures in heaven, not on earth. If someone wants to know what that means they should keep reading the Bible and pursue it.
  • Eric - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Thank you for your comments. The truth is the truth no matter what man had to say about it. I should've have said the Son of Man "comes" not Jesus. I'm curious about "children and the building of a city establish a man's name". That's just one tiny verse that speaks of the coming kingdom. One day we will be named Israel. And one day Elijah will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, before the day of the Lord "comes".

    If your faith and love is so strong for the Lord and his word that you commit your life to honoring him. Whether you're right or wrong in your interpretation, God knows his people.

    We're saved by grace from true faith.

    Spread love and teach forgiveness.

    Amen
  • Abigail Ghama on Exodus 19
    All the sacrifices made in the old Testament times centers on the coming of the Messiah. So now in the new testament times Christ is our sacrificial goat. Amen
  • Unsaved People and THE LORD OF THE HARVEST on Exodus 19
    For unsaved loved ones, it takes rock solid faith in Jesus (unmovable), to pray for the Lord of the Harvest to send laborers into the paths of your resistant relatives.

    He arranges divine appointments for people to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ with the convicting power of the Holy Spirit.

    They, with the Father, CREATED all we see and know. Is there anything too hard for the Lord? In REVELATION there is a scene of Jesus with a sickle, reaping the Harvest.

    Get in on this! Pray for these stubborn relatives, loved ones, belligerent teenagers; even the old, the drugged up; the angry at life, everybody! Even perfect strangers.

    Christ-like Love should drive you to your knees, often if not every day. Budget one hour to do serious business in your prayer life. Pray for LABORERS TO BE SENT.

    This is called, love and obedience to the known will of God. Jesus is the Lord of the Harvest. Sitting at the right hand of God, making intercession for all saints. Ask and receive. Keep your faith fixed on Jesus only.

    PRAY TO THE LORD OF THE HARVEST.

    "Matthew 9:37

    Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;

    Matthew 9:38

    Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.

    Matthew 13:30

    Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into MY BARN.

    Matthew 13:39

    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

    Do it yourself and quit whining for others to do it for you. Faith Loves Wide. Turn off the worldly world and do some business with Jesus.

    Mishael
  • Karen on Exodus 19
    Forgiveness
  • Luke Newbold on Exodus 19
    What happens when we die? In 1 Thessalonians it is stated that the "dead in Christ" shall rise at the second coming of Christ before the living depart (the rapture), does this mean that when we die we remain in a 'dead state' until the second coming? Will it just feel like 'the blink of an eye' from the time we die until He returns? Will be be 'asleep' during this time?
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Now paradise is not Heaven even though it is like Heaven. A place where we will be judged and get rewards, like a way point, then from there we go to Heaven.
  • Mishael - in Reply on Exodus 19
    There are only 2 judgements in the future:

    Bema judgement of Christians for rewards or crowns, or no rewards.

    Great White Throne Judgement.

    Satan and the false prophet will be first to go to hell. For 1000 years. Then only satan is released a short time,
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Christians go to a place called paradise to wait for the rest.
  • The Caught Up - in Reply on Exodus 19
    That sounds true to me. Our born again spirits are in heaven after death; awaiting the Caught Up to meet Jesus in the clouds. Our new transformed bodies will be joined to our spirits.

    The dead in Christ rise first, then all those that are alive..
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Page 2.

    Then we have Matthew 27:51-54, when the 'faithful' dead arose from their tombs at the death of Jesus on the Cross. They not only woke up but must have had re-constituted bodies as they walked about & appeared to many as a witness after Jesus' resurrection. We're not told what happened to them after this event; my guess is that they ascended as the Lord did - but no proof of this. This then correlates to the resurrection of Christians at the coming of Christ. This second resurrection will also be one of re-constituted bodies rising to be Christ forever & a witness to the Power of Christ.

    And the 'hope' of the Christian in all this is that we don't face God's Judgement for our sin, as Jesus fully accomplished that on the Cross for us, to those who have put their faith in Him. So however our state will be at death & what transpires between our spirits & bodies, we know that we will see our Lord Who gave His Life for us, being welcomed into His Presence, unlike those who reject His Cross, who face certain judgement.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Page 1.

    Luke, this is one of those subjects that doesn't give us clear answers on all aspects of death & the afterlife. And since we can't get first-hand detail from someone who has been through it, we have to rely on what the Bible reveals & remain confident in these Truths, yet not dogmatic.

    We do know that within us, that which gives us our real identity is our soul & spirit & these are housed in our body. The body can die & deteriorate, but the soul & spirit are immaterial & cannot perish. Ecclesiastes 3:20,21: "All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" This verse shows that the animal at death simply perishes, but the human spirit doesn't & is accountable to God.

    Then Jesus spoke in Luke 16:19-31 about the death of a rich man & a beggar named Lazarus. Jesus clearly showed that they were in a place other than at the grave. The rich man was suffering & the beggar was not. And Adam also cited the passage about the repentant thief on his cross beside Jesus. So I believe that we can understand that the spirit of man does go beyond this earthly realm at death rather than lingering in or near its deteriorating frame. Then what happens to those who are cremated with their ashes scattered everywhere? How does a spirit of a dead man deal with that? My sense is that our spirit, being liberated from the body, has to move to another point or place. My preference takes Paul's words into account in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8, that if he was in the body he was absent from the Lord, but if he was absent in the body, he would be present with the Lord, i.e. he would be in Heaven. Also Philippians 1:23.
  • Adam - in Reply on Exodus 19
    I believe the answer to all 3 of your questions is yes. I believe those who believe people will be instantly in heaven upon death misinterpret 2 different verses:

    2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Note, he says he'd "rather be absent" and not 100% of everyone saved who dies is instantly with the Lord.

    Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. People also assume this means 100% of all saved people are instantly in heaven. However, Jesus can make exceptions and do whatever he wants. It doesn't mean that every action Jesus took was automatically applied to everyone else 100% of the time. Jesus healed some people and not others. He was closer to some people relationally than others. Secondly, the word 'paradise' may not necessarily mean heaven. It's very possible that there is a 'waiting area' before judgment such as paradise or pergatory.

    Third, it's already given that in the end Jesus will come to earth and the dead shall rise and meet Him in the air 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. So, it makes more logical sense that saved people are 'sleeping' and awaiting judgment on Earth and will then fulfil this scripture and go to heaven with Jesus. Otherwise, it would not be logical for saved people to go to heaven before judgment day, nor would it be logical for people in heaven to return to earth to then rise up from the grave or ashes and then meet Jesus, only to go back to heaven. There's even more scripture supporting that saved people will sleep and await judgment, but these are the key points that others use to justify their belief, for reference.
  • Rosie on Exodus 19
    Due to religions of different individuals. How is the Sabbath truly determined? Where is it in the Bible?
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 19
    This is too large a subject to properly deal with here, but basically, when God rested on the seventh day from His Work of Creation (Genesis 2:2,3), it was done from counting off six days: in other words, since no days of the week are seen here, therefore no one can determine which days was the day of rest. Then when He commanded this Day of Rest (Sabbath) in Exodus 20:10 for his people Israel to observe, again, there wasn't a stipulation of it being a particular day. The institution of the Sabbath was a sign of sanctification (or, separation) of Israel to God, elected by God out of a world all around them that was given to idolatry & wickedness. (Exodus 31:13,14).

    In Exodus chapter 16, we read of God's provision of food to Israel after they left Egypt, by supplying them with quails & manna each day. They had to collect their food every day for six days but on the sixth day, they had to collect the manna for an extra day, as it was their day of rest (Sabbath). If they forgot to do this, they would have to fast.

    From then on, Israel had maintained this day count: working (or, collecting food) for six days & resting on the seventh. The Jewish Sabbaths, Festivals, etc. are now calculated on a Lunar Calendar (based on the Moon cycles/phases) as opposed to our Solar Calendar (based on the Sun). As both Calendars are not strictly accurate (if reckoning the exact days), they have to include extra days or in the case of Judaism, adjust their festival dates to suit. But the Sabbath has to be strictly maintained as the seventh day of rest from their labours.
  • Rosie - in Reply on Exodus 19
    Thank You
  • Donita on Exodus 19:5
    Exodus 19:5-6 Amplified for my life

    If I choose with all my heart & being to listen to Your Voice, above all- (my own thoughts or the world)'s ...and listen does mean following through with continual surrender and obedience,

    I will know I am Yours, and will be marked as YOURS, a person of your covenant and a special treasure to You.

    You own all the earth. I will be readily available to You to minister to people.They will see a difference in all I do, FOR I AM YOURS, My life is Yours. I listen and do Your pleasure.
  • Ed on Exodus 19
    Because man has both a physical and a divine nature, we face choices everyday. In any given situation where a choice must be made we rely either on our physical selves to respond or on our divine selves to respond. God is letting his people know that a separation between the two natures must observed at all times. The physical nature must never dictate to the divine nature. This would cause the divine nature to weaken and die over time. Following the divine nature would require God to provide us with guidance when making choices. His people are not allowed to see his divine nature; but He does provide Moses with laws to guide us.

    This is what happened in Eden. Eve (the physical) convinced Adam (the divine) to join her in discovering that which would make them a god. This discovery caused them to hide their nakedness from the LORD God, and led to Adam's eventual death. This conflict exists throughout the Holy Bible. Cain and Able, Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah and the Ark, Pharaoh and Moses...Our ongoing conflict between the divine and the physical; joined but separate.
  • BSP on Exodus 19
    Verse 5~If the people would obey Jehovah God then they would become a special treasure to him and he would provide for them and protect them.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 19
    There's always that little two letter word "if". If we do or if we don't. To be or not to be, is the question. To do or not to do. Damned if we do and damned if don't. I hate that little letter
  • Seventh day is sabbath - in Reply on Exodus 19
    God is laying it out plain and simple..It is our choice weather to obey Gods Covenant/Laws or not, here is the up side if you do, you will be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people.
    Titus 2:14
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    Peter 2:9
  • A disciple on Exodus 19
    "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself." Every true Believer knows without a doubt that he or she is not worthy of the least of the Lord's mercies, nor of all the truth that He shows us. But God says of us that He has chosen us to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself above all people; a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
  • BSP on Exodus 19
    Verse 8: The Israelites agreed to obey all that Jehovah God commanded them to do. They were well aware of the consequences that would come if they disobeyed, yet those chose to disobey and later suffered.
  • A disciple on Exodus 19
    "And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly." In many parts of the Bible, the Spirit describes the Day of the LORD as being just like how He showed Himself to the children of Israel at Sinai; only in full power, and over the whole earth!


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