Exodus Chapter 16 Discussion



 
  • GiGi again on Exodus 16
    ....continued

    An omer is about 9 1/2 cups (2.3 liters). As I read these instructions, I think about the Lord's Prayer Jesus gave us ( Matt. 6:9-13).

    In this prayer we ask God for our daily bread. And John 6:32-51, where He speaks of being the Bread of Life that came down from heaven. This chapter speaks how the Israelites ate manna in the desert and still died, but not so for those who eat the Bread of Life, Jesus.

    Anyone who did not obey the instructions concerning manna had an unpleasant experience but God chose not to punish them severely. He was merciful to the disobedient and fickle Israelites. The manna was unique, one of a kind food, which does not exist in the natural world. YHWH fed the Israelites with manna and, I thin, quail, throughout the 40 years of wandering. But even so, Jesus said, man does not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. It was better for the Israelites to believe God and His Word than to go with human reason and save more manna than can be eaten in a day. The fact that the manna kept to the next day bred worms and was inedible yet this was not so for the manna gathered the day before to be kept over night for the Sabbath demonstrates this Scripture well. ( Matt. 4:4)

    Relying on God day to day is the way we are to live our life. Not consumed with "always stocking up just in case" or being so frugal that one cannot enjoy the blessings of God that one receives by trusting Him. We are to be wise and certainly saving or putting up food is a good thing, but not to a point of compulsion to where one trusts in his one ability to provide today and also for the future. This daily provision also reminds us that we should be satisfied that God provides what is necessary for life, not riches, gold, silver, mansions, largess of any kind. We should be content with what God provides and seek the riches and treasure we have in .

    This chapter seems to introduce the Sabbath command. Is this the first time?
  • GiGi on Exodus 16
    This is another amazing chapter in which the glory of the LORD appears in the cloud and speaks to the Moses, God provides daily food for the Israelites, even after they murmur against Moses and complain; and Moses instructs the Israelites about gathering the manna throughout the week.

    The chapter begins with the Israelites leaving verdant Elim, with the 12 wells (one for each tribe to have plenty of water) and 70 trees, providing shade and respite from the harsh wilderness heat. (Remember that originally 70 Israelites went to Egypt during the famine) They traveled into the wilderness of Sin (Sin was the name of the Mesopotamian moon god) They had been traveling for 1 1/2 months. The Israelites hungered though they had lots of livestock; but perhaps, no grain left to make bread. They began to murmur and complain to Moses, saying that they had it much better in Egypt in bondage than here in freedom with YHWH. They even said that it would have been better if they had died in Egypt than to be taken out into this wilderness and be killed by YHWH. What an affront to the true God who had already delivered them with multiple miracles. But just like when they murmured about not having water to drink, God provided sweet water at Marah and plentiful water at Elim.

    YHWH speaks to Moses about the manna from heaven and the quail overrunning the camp. Moses instructs Aaron to speak to the whole group. And as promised in vs. 7 the glory of YHWH appears in the cloud and He speaks to Moses (vs. 10). How was this appearance different from simply the pillar of cloud by day and fire by night? When Moses saw the burning bush the text said that the Angel of the LORD was within the fire. So, perhaps this same Angel of the LORD appeared in the cloud since this theophany spoke audibly to Moses. The LORD gives more instructions to Moses for the people concerning the Manna. These instructions are then given to the whole congregation.
  • Richard H Priday on Exodus 16
    This chapter explains God's provisions (again subsequent to their murmering AGAIN in verse 2).

    The fact that they were so myopic as to suggest that they had "bread to the full" in verse 3 would seem not to be accurate in any recent tidings there; as they were in hard bondage; having lost even a provision of straw to make bricks. It is more likely that they were half starved in many cases; it seems uncertain how much of the cattle was that of the Egyptians who feared God and kept them in the barns during the plague of hail and as part of a mixed multitude came up with them. In any event; there was clearly a need for food; and God had a 40 year supply for them. Even the most elementary rules apparently weren't uniformally obeyed. People kept what the gathered when they should have used it up right away; and searched on the Sabbath when they were told there wouldn't be any (and likely DIDN'T get a double portion obeying the rules about what to gather the day before that every week). Verse 33 indicates that a certain portion (an Omer) was to be kept in the pot which would be part of the Ark of the Covenant later along with Aaron's rod. If the Ark ever was found it would still be in there to this day.
  • Ian on Exodus 16
    As a devout Orthodox Christian who has read the Johns Hopkins research into psilocybin mushrooms, I am left shocked and dumbfounded wondering whether this description of 'manna' (word that means "what is this?") is in fact a description of psilocybin mushrooms and/or non-psychoactive mushrooms - at least in part. The characteristics of the 'manna' being delivered upon an early morning dew and then rotting, filling with worms & smelling if left too long are a far stretch from bread (it is acknowledged that the Bible should not be read literally) but fits much better the characteristics of psilocybin mushrooms. It would further provide an explanation as to manna's spiritual connection with God upon consumption (see aforementioned Johns Hopkins research).

    I do not mean to be controversial or disrespectful to this thread of conversation - I simply was raised to question everything in secular life and religious life and so it is with this curious epistemological mindset that I pose this question. Thank you for your time reading and for any responses I get to this post.
  • BSP on Exodus 16
    Verse 3-The Israelites had a selective memory here. They were slaves back in Egypt and they cried out to God for deliverance, but they chose to only remember the food!
  • Jasheer on Exodus 16
    they were reaally disobedent
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 16:29
    For the Jews & those today (me excluded) who believe in maintaining the Sabbath Day, then there's no stipulation about remaining in one's house. The Jewish leaders of Jesus' day decreed that a Jew could walk (not ride a donkey) from their 'city limits' as far as 2000 cubits (= 3,500 ft, or 0.6 mile) on the Sabbath. Then some others proposed a further law: that if there were houses within that distance of .6 mile, then if the distance between each house was no more than 112 ft, then one could keep walking. This means, if a Jew planned his trip well, he could actually travel between two cities or communities if there were some appropriately placed houses in-between.

    So if you believe that you need to "keep the Sabbath", then there should be no problem about moving about, whether around your home or within the city. The key feature of the Sabbath was that no manual work was to be performed or any engagement in buying or selling of goods. And certainly in an emergency or doing another some good, Jesus gave the authority to reach out & to work ( Matthew 12:10-14).
  • Charles Johnson - in Reply on Exodus 16:29
    Sorry In reference to this precept

    let no man go out of his place on the seventh day

    Link

    Does this mean we are to stay in a house on the Sabbath without leaving unless it's emergency?
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 16:29
    In this passage of Scripture, we see the children of Israel on their march from the bondage of Egypt towards Canaan, the Promised Land. They complained to Moses & Aaron about the lack of food & water. God then provided them manna & quails daily for them to gather sufficient for each family for each day of the week. Any left over till the following day, would spoil. However, on the sixth day they were to gather enough for two days as the following day would be the Sabbath of Rest when no work could be done.

    So this solemn instruction that you read in verse 29, is simply to tell the people to obey the Lord in the gathering of this food prior to the Sabbath, that they should "abide (remain) in his house" or near it & not "go out of his place" (i.e. to leave home looking for food on the Sabbath, as there would be none).
  • Charles johnson on Exodus 16:29
    Can you translate....? abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
  • Chris - in Reply on Exodus 16
    I'm unsure what part(s) of this chapter in Exodus 16 that you're having difficulty with, but here is an outline for you:

    The children of Israel who were in bondage in Egypt were finally freed by Pharaoh to leave, after his land suffered mightily under God's Hand. So this Exodus 16 narrative finds Israel, under Moses' leadership in the Wilderness of Sin (also spelled, Zin). But as is human nature, they complained against Moses & Aaron for bringing them out into a wilderness where there was little to eat, unlike their time in Egypt where they didn't starve even though they had to work hard as slaves.

    The rest of the account shows how God had then provided manna & quails for them to eat & what they had to do in respect to gathering the food sufficient for each day & an extra gathering on the day prior to the Sabbath (the day of rest). And the other thing that Moses had to do, was to collect some of the Manna & store it in a jar & it would remain as a constant reminder to Israel of God's provision to them. And this manna that was stored, never spoiled & remained near the Ark of the Testimony in the Tabernacle. All this was to show Israel, who had generally grown cold to God, how faithful God had been & will be to them because they were His chosen people & wanted them to find their delight only in Him.
  • Jasheer on Exodus 16
    i dont understand this chapter
  • BSP on Exodus 16
    Even though the Israelites murmured against God, he still showed them love and provided for them.
  • Carleton - in Reply on Exodus 16
    Dear Andy, that is true. It is as you preach and I speak, that proper faith and repentance leads men to eternal peace, this is in the Word. The Word is not offensive is is a guide and it will never be separate from Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit. Andy, I have met many professing Christians over the years that have a very pointed message that was revealed to the by God for everyone else. It is common. Many humble servants of God remember themselves publicly as weak vessels as they handle God's Word for the benefit of edification and love for others. Regarding man-made institutions, please remember that everything is God's dust, he can give Life where he pleases and how he pleases and when he pleases all with the hope of Life everlasting in his Son, Jesus Christ who suffered in and on the cross for your salvation and the salvation of all who would come to Him as little children. Like Samuel, I heard his voice as a child and came to Him in due time. I have the peace of the Holy Spirit residing upon me and in me. It is my testimony of His Truths.

    Carleton
  • Andy G van den Berg on Exodus 16
    To CARLETON

    There is no error in the Word of God for the Word is God ( John 1:1).

    Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

    In His Service.

    Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 16
    Jesus rose on a Sunday is why we worship Him on a Sunday. Jews and some so-called christens still worship on Saturday which is the Sabbath.
  • SANDRA LAMONT on Exodus 16
    Why do we worship on a Sunday? Should we keep the Sabbath on a Saturday like the Adventist? Is this what it means when they say we are no longer subjected to the Law but we are now under grace?
  • Carleton - in Reply on Exodus 16:23
    Sunday is the first day of the week, which is one day after the Sabbath day which could be counted as the eighth day. Using the search, type in the eighth day and read the 21 scriptures referenced. They warm my soul.

    Carleton
  • Lisa Moss on Exodus 16:23
    Exodus 20:8-11

    Sabbath is the seventh day which is Saturday. Exodus 20:10. sunday is the first day of the week.
  • Tiago on Exodus 16:31
    Ahah always thought wafers as a modern food, so it's weird reading this in the bible. It's like reading something like "and the LORD giveth his children cheeseburgers and cola, that they may live"
  • Frank - in Reply on Exodus 16
    Sunday is the first day of the week and not the sabbath. Saturday is the 7th day of the week and is the sabbath. (even today, the Jews still keep it.) on Sunday Jesus rose from the dead and all Christians keep this day which some call the Lords Day. The early Christians met and worshiped on this day.
  • T Denson on Exodus 16
    Sunday is the Sabbath day to our church we have services. And if you trust and believe in God he will make away for you enjoy reading the hole chapter.
  • Frank on Exodus 16
    28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? Yes, how long? After seeing all these things, how could they not obey God?
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 16
    In that every man shall eat, this thou shall do on the Sabbath.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 16
    One thing they was allowed to do on the sabbath was to cook and eat.
  • Stanjett - in Reply on Exodus 16
    No work shall be done except every one may eat, that shall be done.
  • I AM THAT I AM: on Exodus 16
    Six days ye shall gather it: but on the seventh day, WHICH IS the SABBATH, in it there shall be none.
  • Ivy Johnson on Exodus 16
    Verse 33: And Moses said unto Aaron,Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the Lord, to be kept for your generations.The same “manna”, that stinks, if kept over night; now ikept for”generations”.NO:WORMS:ROTTENESS: SMELL:Only GOD!There is no Limit to our GOD! He is so Awesome.Is there anything too hard for Him, NO! HE IS :ALL SEEING:ALL KNOWING, GOD. TRUST HIM.
  • Joshua Layfield on Exodus 16
    I think this is Exodus 16 is a good reminder that God will take care of us and to put Faith and trust in him also not to do things are own way ,which I know I'm always working on
  • BSP on Exodus 16
    Verse 12: Jehovah God can hear any murmuring against his spokesmen and he takes such murmuring personal.


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